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Quixote1818

(31,094 posts)
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 12:04 PM Oct 2022

Michael Moore's Midterm Tsunami Truth #21 Don't believe it.

Last edited Thu Oct 20, 2022, 12:38 PM - Edit history (1)

Michael Moore
Oct 18

(A daily series to counter the myth that the Republicans are going to win the House and Senate)

Six months ago, the pundits, the press and the protectors of the established order put out a lot of stories about how the Republicans were going to clean up in the November Midterms. And why wouldn’t they write that? History was on the Republican’s side. Plus Biden had sunk in the approval ratings. Senators Manchin and Sinema had blocked the votes in the Senate for most of Biden’s agenda. It was shaping up to be a comfortable, predictable midterm narrative — like any good Hallmark movie executive produced by Conventional Wisdom — and at the center of it was good ole “Grandpa Joe.”

But then things changed.

Biden started getting one thing after another passed. The price of gas came down. He pardoned thousands of marijuana users. He finally began forgiving student debt. Simultaneously, Republican candidates stopped pretending they weren’t white nationalists, the FBI raided Mar-a-Lago, and the Supreme Court stripped the rights away from the majority gender while expanding the power of the 2nd Amendment and telling the planet to go f**k itself.

And then the American people, as they usually do, started telling anyone who would listen — including the pollsters — that they wanted Democrats running the country. This sent shock waves through the establishment.

The country had collectively changed the channel and blew up the narrative.

But the mainstream media, instead of adapting, has doubled down, and is constantly trying to put these new pieces into the old puzzle. And that’s reason you’ve been subjected to so many stories this week saying that we're now gonna lose.

More: https://www.michaelmoore.com/p/midterm-tsunami-truth-21

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Michael Moore's Midterm Tsunami Truth #21 Don't believe it. (Original Post) Quixote1818 Oct 2022 OP
Amen. SalamanderSleeps Oct 2022 #1
Michael Moore Woodswalker Oct 2022 #2
So did Trump. NNadir Oct 2022 #4
What I remember is that Chump thought he was going to lose in 2016 FakeNoose Oct 2022 #10
He Did? ProfessorGAC Oct 2022 #19
He also said Romney would win. You have a coin? Flip it, and you have as good a chance as moore JohnSJ Oct 2022 #6
That's what I thought when I voted for George McGovern. gab13by13 Oct 2022 #14
I voted for George McGovern also, but had no illusions about the outcome. It is so JohnSJ Oct 2022 #18
Are Democrats suddenly "good enough" for St Michael of the holy Nader? NNadir Oct 2022 #3
+++ JohnSJ Oct 2022 #5
Blessed be his holy name. /s comradebillyboy Oct 2022 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author JustAnotherGen Oct 2022 #8
He has always been good enough for this life long Democrat. Autumn Oct 2022 #9
Nader is an ass who proved one can go to Princeton and remain barely literate. NNadir Oct 2022 #12
In your opinion. I used to listen to him speak at Senate hearings and I thouht he was smart Autumn Oct 2022 #24
Well, he is a smooth talking fool. His ignorance however has killed... NNadir Oct 2022 #25
I disagree completely with that. IMO any politician who has lost an election owns that, except for Autumn Oct 2022 #26
You are free to disagree, but as a scientist to whom climate change is important... NNadir Oct 2022 #27
Of course you do. nt Autumn Oct 2022 #29
People typically don't recognize or appreciate the heroes of their time. jaxexpat Oct 2022 #17
Not a fan of Moore but he does tend to have good instincts so I thought it was worth sharing Quixote1818 Oct 2022 #11
Speaking only for myself, Moore inspires more cynicism than hope. NNadir Oct 2022 #21
Why? DownriverDem Oct 2022 #20
Alito. NNadir Oct 2022 #22
The media wants a closer horse race to generate more advertising dollars cutroot Oct 2022 #13
Money is secondary. gab13by13 Oct 2022 #15
Either way they make money by stirring the pot cutroot Oct 2022 #30
They also want chaos durablend Oct 2022 #32
That is absolutely true. Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #16
Thanks for posting Farmer-Rick Oct 2022 #23
I sort of wonder if that NYT poll wasn't some kind of strategy to motivate Democrats to vote. lees1975 Oct 2022 #28
They're giving the right their narrative durablend Oct 2022 #33
I don't follow your logic Farmer-Rick Oct 2022 #35
Don't believe what? Xoan Oct 2022 #31
His point is to not believe the media's predictions. skip fox Oct 2022 #34
Wait, he's said Democrats are The Corrupt Establishment and a bigger problem than Republicans. betsuni Oct 2022 #36

FakeNoose

(38,995 posts)
10. What I remember is that Chump thought he was going to lose in 2016
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 01:30 PM
Oct 2022

That's why he started all the chatter about "voter fraud" and "election fraud" because he was planning to contest the results. However it surprised the shit out of everybody, including Chump, when he actually won. He couldn't talk about voter fraud anymore, could he?

ProfessorGAC

(74,794 posts)
19. He Did?
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 02:42 PM
Oct 2022

I thought the preemptive "If I don't win, it was rigged" nonsense suggested the opposite.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
6. He also said Romney would win. You have a coin? Flip it, and you have as good a chance as moore
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 12:36 PM
Oct 2022

or anyone for that matter of predicting the midterms


 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
18. I voted for George McGovern also, but had no illusions about the outcome. It is so
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 02:40 PM
Oct 2022

sad we lost Bobby Kennedy. I think we would be in a different place today

Response to NNadir (Reply #3)

Autumn

(48,448 posts)
9. He has always been good enough for this life long Democrat.
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 01:25 PM
Oct 2022

Nader is an okay guy too. Very irrelevant but he did a lot of good things.

Autumn

(48,448 posts)
24. In your opinion. I used to listen to him speak at Senate hearings and I thouht he was smart
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 03:21 PM
Oct 2022

and more than capable of coherent speech.

Autumn

(48,448 posts)
26. I disagree completely with that. IMO any politician who has lost an election owns that, except for
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 03:41 PM
Oct 2022

Al Gore. A corrupt supreme court stepped in and appointed Bush. When the votes were finally counted Al Gore had won. The EC and the popular vote. And nothing was said or done about it. When Turtle didn't allow Obama to appoint his pick nothing was done. That laid the groundwork for this SC. But you go on and give them a pass.

NNadir

(36,741 posts)
27. You are free to disagree, but as a scientist to whom climate change is important...
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 04:00 PM
Oct 2022

...I hold Nader in extreme contempt.

It goes way beyond his efforts to convert the Supreme Court into a Bible banging clique.

He's a dangerously stupid man, an incompetent thinker, and Trumpian in his self inflation.

Alito is just one bit of evidence of how stupid Nader's beliefs - they cannot be called "ideas"- are, but that is only one example of the pernicious role he has played in American life. If it were limited to scamming poor college students to finance his badly named "PIRG" groups, that would be one thing, but being a pseudo left/liberal, and in that capacity rather Trumpian about it in the manner in which he simply makes shit up, he's been a cancer on American life, one of our media's most malign inventions.

You can feel about him as you wish, make excuses for where he led us, but my view of him is intractable.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
17. People typically don't recognize or appreciate the heroes of their time.
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 02:31 PM
Oct 2022

People do, however, rarely forgive unpopular facts.

Quixote1818

(31,094 posts)
11. Not a fan of Moore but he does tend to have good instincts so I thought it was worth sharing
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 01:44 PM
Oct 2022

to give us something to hope for.

NNadir

(36,741 posts)
21. Speaking only for myself, Moore inspires more cynicism than hope.
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 02:51 PM
Oct 2022

He actively worked to give us this outrageous Supreme Court dominated by religious bigots working to establish a state religion in defiance of all American norms and traditions.

Moore owns the fact that the worhipful 16th century reactionary inquisitor, Alito, has declared that violent misogynists can place their greasy hands over the bodies of women and force birth on them after rape.

Unfortunately, having no sense of decency, Moore is apparently incapable of understanding disgust.

So much for "there is no difference between Democrats." Moore and his "holier than everyone else" should never be forgiven for what he worked to do to this country, in particular its women.

He can go fuck himself.

gab13by13

(30,080 posts)
15. Money is secondary.
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 02:26 PM
Oct 2022

The MSM is owned and managed by right wing domestic oligarchs. Their goal is to demoralize Democrats, not make money.

If their goal was to make money MSNBC would have never fired Keith Olbermann or Dylan Ratigan, or others who were very popular.

durablend

(8,603 posts)
32. They also want chaos
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 08:12 AM
Oct 2022

If Republicans actually win, that means more chaos against "looser Biden and the Democrats"

If they lose and sue, well that's more chaos that'll bring them eyeballs

Farmer-Rick

(12,114 posts)
23. Thanks for posting
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 03:18 PM
Oct 2022

So glad I'm not the only one who saw that NYT poll as a tool to demoralize Democratic voters. It's was one of the worse polls I've seen rigged up.

Then the NYT got them a right wing political reporter and shoved that really bad poll at him to claim the Republicans are coming.

The truth is we are out voting GOPers from the start. And the only way the GOP is going to win is if they cheat....and they are cheating as much as the Supremely Religiously Court allows.

Keep voting Dems. It will make a difference.

lees1975

(6,794 posts)
28. I sort of wonder if that NYT poll wasn't some kind of strategy to motivate Democrats to vote.
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 04:07 PM
Oct 2022

I mean, they should know better than to try and pass off a poll involving just 700 people as a class A, plus or minus 3% margin of error poll at the time that 538 composite were showing an increasing Democratic party lead.

Farmer-Rick

(12,114 posts)
35. I don't follow your logic
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 09:20 AM
Oct 2022

How does posting a likely rigged poll in a liberal paper showing the GOP winning (It was actually a 4% margin of error, the amount it had the GOP winning by.) encourage Dems to vote?????

Polls showing one party or the other leading encourage the winning party to vote.

"Polls influence voter perceptions,” Lawrence said. “And we know that how candidates are doing in the polls can then influence the type of coverage they get."

The media flock to the front-runners. And the more coverage those candidates get, the higher they tend to climb in the polls — a dynamic that can turn into a self-perpetuating cycle."

https://journalism.uoregon.edu/news/six-ways-media-influences-elections

Which is the cycle the NYT was trying to create or at least join in.

And we know more coverage of a candidate or party leads to more votes for that candidate. No coverage leads to No votes.

Trump had a ton of coverage for free and that's one of the reasons he won in 2016.

In fact showing false polls of an unpopular candidate winning is a common tool used by governments to influence voting in foreign countries and their own country. Russia and the US use it as a staple in their espionage and manipulation of elections.

betsuni

(28,443 posts)
36. Wait, he's said Democrats are The Corrupt Establishment and a bigger problem than Republicans.
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 09:40 AM
Oct 2022

What happened to this:

"One of the reasons I made this movie is that I've come to the conclusion that the old guard of the Democratic Party is a greater roadblock to social progress than Trump is. Because they're taking half-measures, because they're beholden to the same money and interests."

Suddenly that went away? A tsunami washed that myth away? What about The Revolution narrative? You're the media, Moore.

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