For what they think should be their proper behavior and thinking.

It's racist as fuck.

So, stop.

associating themselves with a political party that is now openly fascist, is just fine with you.

Sorry, but a fascist, is a fascist, is a fascist. And the pricks that comprise the Republican Party are about as fascist as you can get. They've told us who they are. They shown us who they are. Believe them.

So why should I not question those who have been oppressed by them for countless centuries siding with those who would use them and then turn on them and continue to oppress them?

Why would anyone think this to be funny?

Not even remotely close.

Our two closest cousins are Chimps and Bonobos.

Chimp society is male-dominated, aggressive, regimented, hierarchical, males largely control sex/reproduction, little homosexuality, etc.

Bonobos are female-dominated, much less aggressive, much less hierarchal, MUCH more sexually free, sex is done for pleasure, bisexual contact is the norm, etc.

We humans have the genetic makeup of both species to varying degrees.

But their expression has little to do with 'race', and especially not with arbitrary shit like 'religion' and 'what country you're from'.

These are simply two dominant paradigms for humanity based on our animal heritage, and everyone has some mixture of the two ways of thinking and living.

And when I'm gone, and some of you are still around, and my little theory actually becomes a common and accepted explanation ... remember Mr L told you first.

So yeah, they are pretty much the same thing.

Why would historically oppressed people vote for those who are planning to continue oppressing them?

I've evidently stepped into a hornet's nest with this post. But can anyone address the questions asked in the OP?

As I said in 12 a different way, every culture, race, creed, ethnicity…they have their saints and their assholes. The full range of human vices and virtues can be found in every one.

And yes…I thought it would be a hornets nest too but I think it’s a great question. Jews have a joking way to express this “5 Jews in a room, 7 opinions”. From the majority side of the table, it’s easy to think we’re all the same but inside..we couldn’t be more different than chalk and cheese.

Hang in there.

Case in point Clarence Thomas, Alan Keyes, Candice Owens, etc. Nazis want to kill all Jews, even the ones that agree with them. There is no comparison.

How about editing your original post & add the above question to it?
ie: Why would historically oppressed people vote for those who are planning to continue oppressing them?

Discussing ideas in a civil manner makes us all smarter. IMO

A Black person could believe the libertarian economic theory - think the government should stay out of capitalism and the invisible hand will work its magic.

A Black person can be religious and think abortion or homosexuality is wrong.

Nazism was about killing Jews; Republicans aren't out to kill black people systematically (except under exaggerated views which I do expect to see).

I can't believe that so many here on DU don't seem to grasp that.

And I can't understand that so many can't or won't see the difference between the actions of today's Republican Party and what happened in Germany in the late 1930's.

Then again, most average Germans didn't understand it until it was too late. I guess the Republican objective of destroying education, and peddling lies/propaganda, and owning so much of the media, is part of the reason that far too many Americans, of every race, religion, and ethnic background, "don't get it."

Let me say this to anyone who doesn't yet see it. Don't believe them when you're told that you'll get your clothes back after you leave that very large shower room.

Just don't get it.

From Milton Mayer, They Thought They Were Free, The Germans, 1933-45 (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1955):

"Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, 'regretted,' that unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these 'little measures'... must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing - each act is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join you in resisting somehow.



You don't want to act, or even talk, alone; you don't want to 'go out of your way to make trouble.' But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That's the difficulty. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves, when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. You have accepted things you would not have accepted five years ago, a year ago, things your father could never have imagined."

Republicans are guilty of terrible things, but not quite that.

And re-read my earlier post, referencing 1930's Germany.

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I just had lunch a few weeks ago with another member of the tribe. Parents were camp survivors and lot of extended family were victims. He’s a hard core Republican.

From the outside, it’s incomprehensible how he can go there. But from the inside, it makes perfect sense to him because he doesn’t define himself as a survivor descendent.

IMHO, the differentiating vector is a liberal vs authoritarian mindset…and while that mindset may skew one way or another based on shared experiences, to think ALL Black or Jewish voters should be Dems is overlaying a stereotype on us. It’s like saying all Jews should like matzo balls and kugel. Many do but not all…it doesn’t make them wrong…just different. We’re not just this big group that does anything (even vote) as a singular block.

I think it’s a valid question but the answer is, again in my humble opinion, there’s is a huge diversity within cultural, ethnic, and racial groups that is often unseen by those outside of those groups.

good question. Look forward to the discussion on this one.

PS. The whole Jewish Nazi thing…probably not a good look. There was certainly a whole range of response to the rise of nazism and many Jews were doing, in real time, what they thought was necessary to navigate the world changing around them. That included joining the nazi party, maybe even over the objections of family and friends, to keep their businesses, homes, travel acces, etc. (temporarily)

We can look at it with the benefit of hindsight but, in the moment, many lacked the imagination to see the train, camps and ovens in the future.

all the crap I've been taking on this thread.

(Actually, I'm not surprised. I asked this same question about two years ago and a jury deleted it. I believe this is a subject that needs further, reasonable discussion.)

and a Republican ... but I repeat myself.

Lot's of replies about the Jewish part of my OP, and lots of offense taken. But how about some more replies regarding the oppression of Blacks, some of whom have joined their oppressors?

or perhaps don't want to face being so. There's going to be difference of opinion in any group of people. So you'll have black people out there, though of minority of them, who think they've made it in this society and so black people aren't oppressed. With a conservative mindset, it is what happened to them that matters.

If Republicans come to full power, Senate, Presidency, (and the Supreme Court which they already own), do you really think they wouldn't want to destroy all opposition.

Your question is like asking Jews who decided to leave Germany before it was too late if they regret doing it, or Black slaves who courageously headed North in an attempt to escape, were doing the right thing.

And anyone who thinks "It can't happen here" should take a look around and be damned worried about our freedoms, our democracy, and our very lives. And you can add to that, millions of hateful bigots who would welcome a return to slavery.

Reconsider posting about people siding with those who could/might destroy their fellow human beings? I don't think so.

Nowhere did I ask a question.

Nowhere did I do any of what you’re trying to say.

My black neighbor across the street was a tfg supporter back in that time. Feel free to come ask him your question. He’s a nice guy, though we disagree politically.

But I’d love to hear you call him a Nazi.

indicating a likeness does not mean poster called them Nazis.

To the people battling reality, saying Republicans are not Nazis...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217355243

He has a television in the waiting room and one in every treatment room. He has Fox News on all of them and constantly has one eye on the television.

I had an appointment the day Trump fired Jeff Sessions and he was so excited that he could barely control himself. He was screaming with delight and his wife (the receptionist) ran into the treatment room and they were high fiving each other, hugging, and screaming Yes! Yes! Yes!

He also was into Canadian politics and always wanted to talk about how much he hated Justin Trudeau.