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BigOleDummy

(2,274 posts)
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 11:25 AM Dec 2023

Troubling poll numbers? Biden has a plan for that.

"The “Joe Biden is toast” story is so entrenched in conventional wisdom — so pervasive and repetitive — that buying into it has become a near-requirement for membership in the Federation of Political Pundits. This is thus an excellent time to stress-test the hypothesis.
It’s true, of course, that for conventional wisdom to change, political actors often need to alter their behavior in response to the factors feeding the prevailing view. Some realities (Biden being over 80, for example) won’t change. But my discussions with his aides suggest they are not in denial about the president’s poll standings. The Wall Street Journal released a particularly dismal survey on Saturday showing him with an approval rating of just 37 percent and running behind Donald Trump. Biden’s advisers have ideas for moving the public discussion to more congenial ground, knowing they have to shake things up.

The heart of Biden’s challenge: No matter how good the economic data is, voters remain disgruntled. A poll conducted last month by the Financial Times and the University of Michigan’s Ross School of Business is representative: It found that only 26 percent of voters thought Biden’s policies had helped the economy."

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CousinIT

(11,948 posts)
1. People are insanely STUPID. Made that way by corporate media and its propaganda + defunding public schools
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 12:30 PM
Dec 2023

They don't want COMPETENT LEADERSHIP. They want "EXCITEMENT" and a sociopath to provide it.

THAT is where we are. A nation of goddamned brain-dead morons.

2naSalit

(98,087 posts)
3. Part of...
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 02:41 PM
Dec 2023

The mis/disinformation campaign. That's how I see most of this poll rubbish.

andym

(6,041 posts)
4. Prices are coming down
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 04:21 PM
Dec 2023

If the trend continues, Biden will be in good shape. Keep in mind that even Reagan's polling was awful a year before his landslide win against Mondale, due to high prices (inflation) and interest rates.
Gasoline is already trending down, and that should help with food prices.

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WarGamer

(18,017 posts)
6. A reduction in inflation is not a reduction in prices.
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 04:56 PM
Dec 2023

There are a few areas where price ARE dropping... energy and used cars for example.

But Pretty much everything else goes UP every month, albeit at a slower rate than before.

andym

(6,041 posts)
7. True, but irrelevant
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 05:52 PM
Dec 2023

It's true that a reduction in inflation is not a reduction in all prices, technically it is just a decrease in the rate of price increases overall. OTOH, a lower inflation rate can coincide with a deflation of some prices, like gasoline or food stuffs, especially after a hyperinflationary period. That is the point I am making-- this is the case here about some items people care about. Prices are coming down on gasoline, and will likely come down on foods-- these deflationary trends contribute to lower inflation in the average, both the price decreases on specific items and then the lower overall rate of increase overall averaged over all items. I hope this helps you understand.

WarGamer

(18,017 posts)
9. I started from a base of understanding perfectly...
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 06:53 PM
Dec 2023

I'll repeat myself.

A reduction in the rate of inflation isn't the same as prices dropping.

The latest CPI comes out tomorrow... sounds like you're expecting negative numbers... I'm not.

We're expecting a CPI yoy of around 3% with CORE at 4%...

That includes any pricing related to the decreasing cost of energy.

Hope that helps you understand.

andym

(6,041 posts)
10. As I said, true, but not quite my point
Tue Dec 12, 2023, 12:26 AM
Dec 2023

Last edited Wed Dec 13, 2023, 03:46 PM - Edit history (2)

It really seems like you don't understand my point. Average inflation will rise, but prices affected by hyperinflation will come down with time: gasoline (fuel) will precede food (due to reduced transportation costs, which takes time to percolate) is the typical pattern, so I don't expect CPI to recede quite yet. If fuel prices stay lower, then (in a few months) we will see more of the items affected by hyperinflation (do you know what I mean by this term? I mean prices that have risen far more than the average inflation rate and are typically unstably high) deflate. Your post about how you think I think the CPI will respond makes it clear you did not understand my post perfectly.

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Chakaconcarne

(2,768 posts)
8. The Media knows TFG is cooked... they need him in the spotlight for as long as they can keep him there.
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 05:56 PM
Dec 2023

...and so dies Nicki Haley so the attention is off of her until the last minute...

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