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Nevilledog

(54,608 posts)
Mon Dec 18, 2023, 11:28 AM Dec 2023

A "Delicate Matter": Clarence Thomas' Private Complaints About Money Sparked Fears He Would Resign

https://www.propublica.org/article/clarence-thomas-money-complaints-sparked-resignation-fears-scotus

In early January 2000, Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas was at a five-star beach resort in Sea Island, Georgia, hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt.

After almost a decade on the court, Thomas had grown frustrated with his financial situation, according to friends. He had recently started raising his young grandnephew, and Thomas’ wife was soliciting advice on how to handle the new expenses. The month before, the justice had borrowed $267,000 from a friend to buy a high-end RV.

At the resort, Thomas gave a speech at an off-the-record conservative conference. He found himself seated next to a Republican member of Congress on the flight home. The two men talked, and the lawmaker left the conversation worried that Thomas might resign.

Congress should give Supreme Court justices a pay raise, Thomas told him. If lawmakers didn’t act, “one or more justices will leave soon” — maybe in the next year.

*snip*


Holy shit.... the actual corruption is quite breathtaking.
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A "Delicate Matter": Clarence Thomas' Private Complaints About Money Sparked Fears He Would Resign (Original Post) Nevilledog Dec 2023 OP
He couldn't live on $181,000 in 2000? LiberalFighter Dec 2023 #1
Not to mention how much Ginny Thomas was making in selling influence kysrsoze Dec 2023 #4
I was doing ok making $50k in 2000, but I always wanted more Polybius Dec 2023 #8
hey thomas , try living on $500.00 month , ssi bare minimum i did it and made it work , so can u. AllaN01Bear Dec 2023 #2
He needed an homegirl Dec 2023 #3
I'd like to know what else was going on in that resort. Kingofalldems Dec 2023 #5
Wait... RobinA Dec 2023 #6
Someone looking for a bribe. mercuryblues Dec 2023 #7
Nice dependable conservative SC we got here--it'd be a shame if anything happened to it. tanyev Dec 2023 #9
This show how sickeningly out of touch he is with reality. Ms. Toad Dec 2023 #10
Indigent at a 5 star hotel lame54 Dec 2023 #11
HE HAD JUST BORROWED A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS FOR A MOTOR HOME maxsolomon Dec 2023 #12

LiberalFighter

(53,544 posts)
1. He couldn't live on $181,000 in 2000?
Mon Dec 18, 2023, 11:35 AM
Dec 2023

I was making substantially less than that back then and doing fine.

kysrsoze

(6,374 posts)
4. Not to mention how much Ginny Thomas was making in selling influence
Mon Dec 18, 2023, 12:58 PM
Dec 2023

This was clearly a bribe request/blackmail on his part. He’s a disgusting, corrupt, sexually deviant pig, and should be in prison.

Polybius

(20,966 posts)
8. I was doing ok making $50k in 2000, but I always wanted more
Mon Dec 18, 2023, 01:51 PM
Dec 2023

I'd imagine making $181,000 and taking care of kids/nephews and being a big spender could make you want more. I heard Michael Jordan used to throw $100,000 on golfing. It all depends on how you live.

AllaN01Bear

(27,621 posts)
2. hey thomas , try living on $500.00 month , ssi bare minimum i did it and made it work , so can u.
Mon Dec 18, 2023, 11:57 AM
Dec 2023

RobinA

(10,449 posts)
6. Wait...
Mon Dec 18, 2023, 01:06 PM
Dec 2023

A Supreme Court justice was complaining to the person next to him on a plane about the pay they get? Who does that?

tanyev

(48,072 posts)
9. Nice dependable conservative SC we got here--it'd be a shame if anything happened to it.
Mon Dec 18, 2023, 02:07 PM
Dec 2023

You catch my drift, GOP mega-donor?

Ms. Toad

(37,877 posts)
10. This show how sickeningly out of touch he is with reality.
Mon Dec 18, 2023, 02:16 PM
Dec 2023

I probably started life a bit better off than he did, but not that much (aside from being white). My first year as a teacher I earned more than my father ever had as a farmer, and he raised 5 kids on his salary. Based on a wealth calculator, I'm currently in the top 94% of the US.

For most of my life I've made considerably less than 1,000 x my age in income. Until she was in her 50s, my spouse made roughly her age x 1,000. At that point she was terminated from her job due to cognitive issues, and has not made more than $20,000/year since then. For 13 years I earned in the very low 6 figures - then choose to leave that job for one that paid slightly more than my age x 1,000.

At the time Thomas was suggesting he might need to leave the court because it only paid $174,600, I was making $40,000/year - the most I had ever made. We had just refinanced our house down from 30 year mortgage to a 15 year mortgage, including my then recent law school debts, which we paid off early.

I consider myself embarrassingly wealthy. Much of it is luck - to be born white, to educated parents who were thrifty, at a time when education was less expensive, with parents committed to paying for a bachelor's degree for each of their children. But a fair amount of it is building on that base of luck. I've have two additional degree I paid for. My spouse and I are as thrifty as our parents were - the home we bought 35 years ago cost less than half of the mortgage we were approved for. We've never had cable TV. The youngest car we own (including our daughters) is a 2008. We've invested the maximum permitted in IRAs every year since they were introduced, and saved a good bit of our income behind that most years. We've never felt deprived (a blessing, given how many people barely get by) - but we have the luxury of being able to choose to live below our means and have deliberately chosen to do so.

So for Clarence Thomas to suggest that he is incapable of living on more than 4x what I was living on at the time (while saving enough money that I could very comfortably retire at 66) is appallingly out of touch with the every day reality of most of the people his decisions impact.

maxsolomon

(37,557 posts)
12. HE HAD JUST BORROWED A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS FOR A MOTOR HOME
Mon Dec 18, 2023, 02:32 PM
Dec 2023

and he's whining about his salary? This guy...

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