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Aviation Pro

(14,900 posts)
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 10:23 PM Jan 2024

You had one chance Iowa, one

And you failed miserably.

Go enjoy your celebratory bump of meth.

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You had one chance Iowa, one (Original Post) Aviation Pro Jan 2024 OP
It will be the same in every state. Most Republicans will choose Trump. yardwork Jan 2024 #1
That's all... 2naSalit Jan 2024 #9
It's really crazy, isn't it? yardwork Jan 2024 #10
I want to see the head count... 2naSalit Jan 2024 #13
I saw your other post and I agree. yardwork Jan 2024 #16
That's the question. 2naSalit Jan 2024 #22
I haven't watched it all, but earlier FoxNewsSucks Jan 2024 #17
That corner pf the state has been... 2naSalit Jan 2024 #24
I heard part of that NJCher Jan 2024 #26
Here's Keokuk County Aviation Pro Jan 2024 #20
That's half of... 2naSalit Jan 2024 #25
But I bet very few of them Mr.Bill Jan 2024 #19
" Just 23% of Haley supporters say they would vote for Trump in a matchup with Biden. 43% would vote for Biden instead." emulatorloo Jan 2024 #37
I am so glad claudette Jan 2024 #2
It isn't likely to be too dramatically different in many, if any states TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #3
Uncalled for insult. brooklynite Jan 2024 #6
The IA gravy train is over speak easy Jan 2024 #21
So then what? progressoid Jan 2024 #30
CT speak easy Jan 2024 #35
CT? Connecticut? progressoid Jan 2024 #36
Yes. speak easy Jan 2024 #40
Except that it is the state with the largest income inequality in America. progressoid Jan 2024 #45
The State with the most expensive media market in the USA. brooklynite Jan 2024 #50
And we used to win Iowa Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2024 #44
Whoa. That's unfair. yardwork Jan 2024 #12
I would agree with that assessment Skittles Jan 2024 #31
Based on the GOP caucus? TwilightZone Jan 2024 #14
Ok I live in MN. My trips through Iowa have been dreadful. edisdead Jan 2024 #18
haha I remember when I lived on the border Skittles Jan 2024 #32
😊 claudette Jan 2024 #47
We say that the reason the Mississippi flows south out of MN is that Iowa sucks. Ocelot II Jan 2024 #60
I live in MN also. ProudMNDemocrat Jan 2024 #52
HEY! Skittles Jan 2024 #63
How did you fare? ProudMNDemocrat Jan 2024 #65
Decorah was a culture shock Skittles Jan 2024 #66
Maybe claudette Jan 2024 #46
I used to have to travel it for a job NJCher Jan 2024 #27
Hundreds of thousands of democrats live in Iowa. madaboutharry Jan 2024 #34
I went there for a job interview. róisín_dubh Jan 2024 #57
Red states are essentially the same ExWhoDoesntCare Jan 2024 #67
I can't believe anyone ever thought otherwise. BlueTsunami2018 Jan 2024 #4
Did you ever think the outcome would be different? Ocelot II Jan 2024 #5
HELLO ArkansasDemocrat1 Jan 2024 #58
Hello to you, too. Ocelot II Jan 2024 #59
Aw man, I was hoping someone would get the Terry Pratchet's Death reference. ArkansasDemocrat1 Jan 2024 #61
Sorry - I didn't. But you can explain if you'd like. Ocelot II Jan 2024 #62
He's the front runner of a terminally broken party. Tommy Carcetti Jan 2024 #7
I've been trying to get that book by Dana Milbank NJCher Jan 2024 #28
Excellent comment!! moniss Jan 2024 #39
No one I know goes to Iowa to vacation. ProudMNDemocrat Jan 2024 #8
The only one I know that does is from there, so, family. Coventina Jan 2024 #23
It's the subset of IA willing to go to a Repug caucus, can't expect better RockRaven Jan 2024 #11
We shouldn't expect Republicans to save us from Republicans. W_HAMILTON Jan 2024 #15
They don't snort meth in Iowa. LudwigPastorius Jan 2024 #29
It is the repukes that failed. The anti-American, insurrectionist party JohnSJ Jan 2024 #33
I've spent a lot of time moniss Jan 2024 #38
Uh, this doesn't look all that good for the orange headed buffoon. lees1975 Jan 2024 #41
I hope you're right tornado34jh Jan 2024 #43
Who would you rather have had win in Iowa? DeSantis? Haley? onenote Jan 2024 #42
White Iowan Republicans were never going to vote for a Nimrata stop acting surprised or disappointed MistakenLamb Jan 2024 #48
Simple farmers. Salt of the earth. You know... JanMichael Jan 2024 #49
Iowa sucks evilclown Jan 2024 #51
You really wanted someone other then the one that's Raine Jan 2024 #53
Jesus Christ this fuckin thread WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2024 #54
Why? Aviation Pro Jan 2024 #55
. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2024 #56
Iowa has about 752,000 registered rwnj Marthe48 Jan 2024 #64

yardwork

(68,312 posts)
1. It will be the same in every state. Most Republicans will choose Trump.
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 10:25 PM
Jan 2024

A significant minority of Republicans don't like him, though.

2naSalit

(98,089 posts)
9. That's all...
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 10:50 PM
Jan 2024

That are left in the party are the zombies and a few who are waiting for those to disappear. Thousands died from covid and other left the party, only zombies left on that rat infested ship.

2naSalit

(98,089 posts)
13. I want to see the head count...
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 11:03 PM
Jan 2024

Of participants. Could be revealing when compared to eligible voters.

yardwork

(68,312 posts)
16. I saw your other post and I agree.
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 11:10 PM
Jan 2024

Percents are meaningless without numbers. I'm guessing that many Republicans are discouraged by their choices this year. The hardcore Trump MAGAs turned out. Did others?

FoxNewsSucks

(11,354 posts)
17. I haven't watched it all, but earlier
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 11:37 PM
Jan 2024

Kornacki was going on about a county that is the second one away from the NW corner, up by Sioux Falls SD, which "punches above it's weight". On and on, as if it were SO DAMN significant. Total number of voters? A little over 100.

But they are very religious.

Fuck them all.

2naSalit

(98,089 posts)
24. That corner pf the state has been...
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 11:50 PM
Jan 2024

Shedding residents for decades. I think that's where that racist, King was it?, held a House seat.

NJCher

(41,728 posts)
26. I heard part of that
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 11:56 PM
Jan 2024

I was in such a rush to turn it off that I missed the part about the 100 voters.
Pitiful.

Aviation Pro

(14,900 posts)
20. Here's Keokuk County
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 11:44 PM
Jan 2024
75% of the caucus goers went for Motherfucker with a total count of 261 for the larcenous, traitorous bag o' phlegm against 74 for poor Ronald the Clown.


Very small numbers statewide, very small. This actually bodes well for us in November.

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
19. But I bet very few of them
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 11:44 PM
Jan 2024

hate him enough to vote for Biden. I hope they just don't vote at all. That will help other Democrats on the ballot.

emulatorloo

(46,132 posts)
37. " Just 23% of Haley supporters say they would vote for Trump in a matchup with Biden. 43% would vote for Biden instead."
Tue Jan 16, 2024, 12:58 AM
Jan 2024
 

claudette

(5,455 posts)
2. I am so glad
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 10:26 PM
Jan 2024

that I have never ever visited Iowa. Sounds like there's some kind of disease there.

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
3. It isn't likely to be too dramatically different in many, if any states
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 10:30 PM
Jan 2024

including ones we will win.

Its the Republican white nationalist crime syndicate and theocratic domestic terrorist organization, it is what they are.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
6. Uncalled for insult.
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 10:36 PM
Jan 2024

Republicans are not the only people in Iowa. In fact, there are 471,000 Democrats, compared to 594,000 Republicans. Rob Sand, a personal fried of mine is a Democrat and the elected State Auditor. Tom Vilsack, President Biden's Secretary of Agriculture, is a Democrat and a former Governor.

speak easy

(12,454 posts)
21. The IA gravy train is over
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 11:44 PM
Jan 2024

for Dem consultants and insiders, ready to defend the 'first in the nation' at the drop of a hat. When NH bites the dust, the boondoggle will be over.

... but but we could try and defend NH right? The primary that put Joe Biden 5th? No.

progressoid

(52,128 posts)
30. So then what?
Tue Jan 16, 2024, 12:25 AM
Jan 2024

As an Iowan I can say that I won't miss the constant barrage of bullshit ads on the TV and radio. Even ads on the games on my phone. Good riddance.

But if you think moving this to from Iowa and NH to another state will be any less of a boondoggle, you are sorely mistaken.

progressoid

(52,128 posts)
45. Except that it is the state with the largest income inequality in America.
Tue Jan 16, 2024, 01:58 AM
Jan 2024

Regardless, how would moving it to CT make the "boondoggle" go away?

In some ways it will get worse. Cost of living in CT is the 9th highest in the Union. It'll cost your candidate 30 to 40% more to advertise in CT than Iowa or NH. In the 2020 campaign, Democrats spent a mere 44 million dollars in ads in Iowa. Not so much this year. But it's estimated that the GOP spent at least 140 million in Iowa this election cycle. Expect that to increase dramatically by 2024. Imagine how much more money candidates will have to have to campaign in CT. And lets not even talk about the lodging shortage in CT for staffers and media to stay while there.

Frankly, I don't give a shit where it starts. But having witnessed the machinations of the party and different campaigns, I seriously doubt that moving it to another state is going to make a hell of a lot of difference boondoggle-wise. Making the sausage in CT is going to be just as messy as IA or NH.

yardwork

(68,312 posts)
12. Whoa. That's unfair.
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 11:03 PM
Jan 2024

The MAGAs in Iowa are no different than the MAGAs in California or Vermont. They're MAGAs. They're everywhere.

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
14. Based on the GOP caucus?
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 11:05 PM
Jan 2024

You're going to base your entire view of a state based on a small fraction of one party?

That seems rather misguided.

Skittles

(168,075 posts)
32. haha I remember when I lived on the border
Tue Jan 16, 2024, 12:31 AM
Jan 2024

Minnesota folk said IOWA stood for IDIOTS OUT WALKING ABOUT

Ocelot II

(127,742 posts)
60. We say that the reason the Mississippi flows south out of MN is that Iowa sucks.
Tue Jan 16, 2024, 09:08 PM
Jan 2024

But I will qualify that to say that the Iowa GOP sucks. Hard enough to bend light.

ProudMNDemocrat

(20,323 posts)
52. I live in MN also.
Tue Jan 16, 2024, 10:01 AM
Jan 2024

Traveling through Iowa enroute yo Galena, Illinois, we would stop in either in Waterloo or Decorah for lunch.

There is nothing to see in Iowa but for farms, small towns. Even Davenport and Des Moines have few attractions if any.

ProudMNDemocrat

(20,323 posts)
65. How did you fare?
Wed Jan 17, 2024, 09:02 AM
Jan 2024

Decorah has Luther College.

There is a Flying J near where one gets to Hwy 20 in Waterloo. Stopped in Guttenberg a few times too on the way to Galena. Other than that, open with farms and lettered Routes.

Skittles

(168,075 posts)
66. Decorah was a culture shock
Wed Jan 17, 2024, 10:55 PM
Jan 2024

I moved from England to Iowa and slept on my aunt's couch....my brothers and mum stayed with my grandparents in Mabel, right across the border......later the family was reunited when my dad left an extended hospital stay, and we moved to Illinois.

 

claudette

(5,455 posts)
46. Maybe
Tue Jan 16, 2024, 06:36 AM
Jan 2024

that was harsh. But I don’t understand how they can be that way I feel the same way about Texass. Couldn’t live in either state.

NJCher

(41,728 posts)
27. I used to have to travel it for a job
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 11:59 PM
Jan 2024

There is one place I kinda' liked: Pella, where they make the Pella windows. It has Dutch roots and they are big on tulips there, so of course the gardener in me liked that.

madaboutharry

(42,013 posts)
34. Hundreds of thousands of democrats live in Iowa.
Tue Jan 16, 2024, 12:46 AM
Jan 2024

There is not some kind of disease there. Your post is uninformed.

róisín_dubh

(12,150 posts)
57. I went there for a job interview.
Tue Jan 16, 2024, 12:15 PM
Jan 2024

I didn't get the job, thankfully, but Cedar Falls seemed okay. Mind you, I lived 7 years in Oklahoma and 8-ish in West Virginia. West Virginia never felt like home, after all that time I spent there. Meh. I'm not a rural state kind of person. Nor am I a fan of being landlocked.

There are lunatics all over.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
67. Red states are essentially the same
Thu Jan 18, 2024, 12:11 AM
Jan 2024

I've been to every continental state west of the Mississippi, save for Washington and Oregon, and a good deal of the southern ones. Only the accents and geography are different, really.

Otherwise, you'll find the same idiotic religious fervour. Same vast stretches of nothing with the occasional backwards small town. Same stupid. Same bigotries. Same loudness (why are so many stupid Americans so very *loud* about it?).

Oh---and the same homogeneity of lots of white skin in the podunk areas. Sure, states like Alabama and Mississippi have a high percentage of black people, but if you're driving along I-55 or I-65 through the yokel parts of those states, you'll hardly ever see someone brown. You usually have to get off the road and then head well into the boonies for that. Not always, but far more often than one would think. And I've been to the Greenwood, MS. Even went through Money, where Emmett Till got in trouble with those racist traitor thugs.

Guess how many black people I saw the week I was there?

ZERO. It's like they didn't dare go anywhere near where more than a few white people would be. But I most certainly ran into a bunch of stupid, bigoted, unpleasant and too loud white people, everywhere I went in the Delta.

Skull Valley, UT (where my then-husband, infant son and I were nearly murdered by some thugs--not a joke). Same as Penwell, TX (another place where Mum and I were nearly killed when some redneck was too stupid to know which side of the road he belonged on). Same as Kimball, SD. Same as Blencoe, IA. Same as Lusk, WY. Same as--

Well, you get the idea.

BlueTsunami2018

(4,679 posts)
4. I can't believe anyone ever thought otherwise.
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 10:32 PM
Jan 2024

What world do these people live in where republicans are picking someone else?

They LOVE this guy. He’s the epitome of everything they hold dear.

Ocelot II

(127,742 posts)
5. Did you ever think the outcome would be different?
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 10:34 PM
Jan 2024

Especially in caucus states, where the people who attend caucuses are likely to be the most dedicated fanboys, TFG has a stranglehold on the GOP primaries. Unless some deus ex machina appears (the Grim Reaper, maybe?), he'll be the nominee.

Tommy Carcetti

(44,287 posts)
7. He's the front runner of a terminally broken party.
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 10:36 PM
Jan 2024

It doesn’t matter which state.

Republicans are systematically broken. They’ve fallen into a cult.

NJCher

(41,728 posts)
28. I've been trying to get that book by Dana Milbank
Tue Jan 16, 2024, 12:08 AM
Jan 2024

The Deconstrutionists The 25-Year Crackup of the Republican Party. Here's the snip from Amazon:

snip

In 1994, more than 300 Republicans under the command of obstructionist and rabble-rouser Congressman Newt Gingrich stood outside the U.S. Capitol to sign the Contract with America and put bipartisanship on notice. Twenty-five years later, on January 6, 2021, a bloodthirsty mob incited by President Trump invaded the Capitol.

Dana Milbank sees a clear line from the Contract with America to the coup attempt. In the quarter century in between, Americans have witnessed the crackup of the party of Lincoln and Reagan, to its current iteration as a haven for white supremacists, political violence, conspiracy theories and authoritarianism.

Following the questionable careers of party heavyweights Newt Gingrich, Karl Rove, Mitch McConnell, and Rudy Giuliani, and those of many lesser known lowlights, Milbank recounts the shocking lengths the Republican Party has gone to to maintain its grip on the American people.

snip

All of us old-timers here saw it happen. We said in our posts all the things that Milbank has written about.

Coventina

(28,791 posts)
23. The only one I know that does is from there, so, family.
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 11:49 PM
Jan 2024

She's the only one I know personally who EVER goes to Iowa.

RockRaven

(18,167 posts)
11. It's the subset of IA willing to go to a Repug caucus, can't expect better
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 11:02 PM
Jan 2024

out of those types these days. They are who we thought they were.

W_HAMILTON

(9,672 posts)
15. We shouldn't expect Republicans to save us from Republicans.
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 11:07 PM
Jan 2024

Republicans are the cause of this mess to begin with.

It's up to us to put down this MAGA movement once again -- and hopefully, once and for all.

moniss

(8,172 posts)
38. I've spent a lot of time
Tue Jan 16, 2024, 01:01 AM
Jan 2024

in Iowa over the years. I came to the conclusion long ago that the idea that so many of these people are moving from a genuine religious basis misses what they really are. It is racist, sexist, authoritarian etc. and uses a cloak of Christianity to make their claim to be functioning from some deep, moral place. These people will demonstrate massive self serving greed in the form of demanding ag subsidies for themselves while at the same time going to any length to deny medical or food assistance to poor people. They are all about telling everyone around them how to live and believe and they sure do keep track of who and what does or does not comply.

At the same time I met lots of wonderful people in Iowa who exist side by side with their horrible neighbors and keep fighting for Iowa to not be so ignorant, intolerant and awful.

lees1975

(6,794 posts)
41. Uh, this doesn't look all that good for the orange headed buffoon.
Tue Jan 16, 2024, 01:09 AM
Jan 2024

He got just over 50% of the vote from one of the most conservative state parties in the country. Glad to see MSNBC point out that isn't exctly an inspiring performance from a former president who has gotten all the attention that he has received.

There's enough "I'm not going to vote for Trump at all" in those exit polls that seems to be stuffed under the carpet. The media is fascinated by the fact that two thirds of his supporters will vote for him even if he is convicted, but back away from the fact that a full third of them say that would make a difference in their support. That's well outside the margins that will decide the election on a national level. If there are that many Republicans who won't support him if he is convicted, he's going to get beaten badly.

Looks to me like all of the information coming out of Iowa indicates that it may flip back to blue.

tornado34jh

(1,512 posts)
43. I hope you're right
Tue Jan 16, 2024, 01:23 AM
Jan 2024

I get it is only the Republican Caucus, but considering it has been a red state for some time, I am skeptical and not putting my eggs into one basket hoping it will be.

onenote

(45,726 posts)
42. Who would you rather have had win in Iowa? DeSantis? Haley?
Tue Jan 16, 2024, 01:21 AM
Jan 2024

Which of those two would you prefer to be the Repub candidate instead of Trump? And keep in mind, that the polling shows that in the general election, Trump is the weakest of the three?

MistakenLamb

(791 posts)
48. White Iowan Republicans were never going to vote for a Nimrata stop acting surprised or disappointed
Tue Jan 16, 2024, 07:29 AM
Jan 2024

evilclown

(24 posts)
51. Iowa sucks
Tue Jan 16, 2024, 09:19 AM
Jan 2024

Please remember the republicans and Tump ended the China trade deal which hurt the iowa farmers by greatly reducing our exports of our farm grown grains. Iowa farmers would have been furious except they were bailed out by huge farm “socialist” subsidies. While the rest of the USA were hurting from Trumps economic policies Iowa farmers were happy as a pig in slop —they didn’t have to do anything but sit back and enjoy the bribe that came from endorsing Trump. The large cities in Iowa didn’t benefit much from the subsidies and still aren’t huge Trump supporters. For some reason the Democratic Party in Iowa refuses to tackle local issues such as the decline and closing of schools and hospitals in our rural towns. Iowa went from having some of the best academic public schools and now are in the middle of the pack of declining States. Immigration is needed to perform work on the farms and in construction and service industries yet the iowa gop answer is to lower the age for children to work in dangerous jobs including packing houses. A majority of iowa women want fair and open healthcare, contraception and abortion policies as well as restrictions on guns / background checks. Still all we hear in iowa is Fox News propaganda. Iowa I can turn blue again but won’t without national democratic leadership that focuses on issues important to Iowans.

Aviation Pro

(14,900 posts)
55. Why?
Tue Jan 16, 2024, 11:26 AM
Jan 2024

Because I expect Americans even if they're members of the party formerly known as Republican to have a modicum of common sense and decency and not pick a candidate that would end democracy as we know it?

Again, why?

WhiskeyGrinder

(25,818 posts)
56. .
Tue Jan 16, 2024, 11:48 AM
Jan 2024
Because I expect Americans even if they're members of the party formerly known as Republican to have a modicum of common sense and decency and not pick a candidate that would end democracy as we know it?
Based on what's happened over the past 50 years, why on earth would you expect that? And why do you think *any* current Republican candidate wouldn't do their part to undermine democracy?

Marthe48

(22,086 posts)
64. Iowa has about 752,000 registered rwnj
Tue Jan 16, 2024, 11:22 PM
Jan 2024

108,288 registered rwnj, about 14.4% showed up at the 2024 caucus. About 51% of that 14.4% cast a vote for traitor. So about 55,226 rwnj cast a vote fr traitor.

Underwhelming if traitor thinks that kind of turnout will get him into the White House

Overwhelming that there are that many people in Iowa who are willing to vote for a traitor.

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