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grumpyduck

(6,670 posts)
Fri Feb 2, 2024, 04:38 PM Feb 2024

"The Star-Spangled Banner"

I was in another chat room (non-political) this morning and the conversation turned to art as a means of self-expression over many millenia and how performing artists, such as singers, often take someone else’s material and put their own personality into it. Cover bands come to mind.

Then a thought hit me: the often cringy performances of “The Star-Spangled Banner” that we are subjected to in many sporting events. I’ve heard so many deliveries of it that are basically just words, sung either a capella or to music, but which totally miss the point. The song, as written, is a story, in the form of a poem, told in real time by FS Key to the listener: the flag was there, it lived through a bombardment, and survived till the next morning. That’s as much a story as how a QB passed the ball, someone caught it, was chased, and made it to the end zone.

But some of these performances, yikes. I can just imagine a sportscaster calling a play the way the anthem is often sung.

Anyone else find this irritating?

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"The Star-Spangled Banner" (Original Post) grumpyduck Feb 2024 OP
Different complaint here.. Permanut Feb 2024 #1
No other country finds an obligation to sing a war anthem prior to watching their gladiators re-enact battles Thunderbeast Feb 2024 #2
Nothing wrong with football. Elessar Zappa Feb 2024 #3
Are you sure about that? Zeitghost Feb 2024 #10
Wow, really? Clearly, you have never watched global sports, MerryBlooms Feb 2024 #17
you've never heard the french sing their antherm before a game. moonshinegnomie Feb 2024 #20
Most of the issues with the SSB odins folly Feb 2024 #4
I didn't have a problem with the anthem after 9/11. rsdsharp Feb 2024 #5
Flags odins folly Feb 2024 #8
Yep. Ripped, faded, filthy, displayed in all weather, rsdsharp Feb 2024 #11
The phony patriot flag flyers bug me too. My husband was a boy scout MerryBlooms Feb 2024 #19
Welcome to DU, odins folly! calimary Feb 2024 #9
It glories defense against military oppression. Igel Feb 2024 #15
I recall the anthem being shown on TV before baseball games way back when I was a kid (early 1960s) Attilatheblond Feb 2024 #13
Most of the performances are unremarkable. For the best one ever and has never been topped... brush Feb 2024 #6
Just don't go too far. SarahD Feb 2024 #7
I don't like the Star Spangled Banner. It's a song that glorifies war, is hard to sing, (Whitney's version was recorded debm55 Feb 2024 #12
Be thankful sarisataka Feb 2024 #14
As national anthems go . . . markpkessinger Feb 2024 #16
Thank you. I appreciated that. grumpyduck Feb 2024 #18
My father's favorite version was Jimi Hendrix's Raine Feb 2024 #21

Permanut

(7,637 posts)
1. Different complaint here..
Fri Feb 2, 2024, 04:42 PM
Feb 2024

The "land of the free" may be a noble ideal, but we're not living up to it.

Thunderbeast

(3,716 posts)
2. No other country finds an obligation to sing a war anthem prior to watching their gladiators re-enact battles
Fri Feb 2, 2024, 04:54 PM
Feb 2024
 

Zeitghost

(4,557 posts)
10. Are you sure about that?
Fri Feb 2, 2024, 06:30 PM
Feb 2024
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MerryBlooms

(12,071 posts)
17. Wow, really? Clearly, you have never watched global sports,
Fri Feb 2, 2024, 08:20 PM
Feb 2024

Especially soccer. 🤣🤣🤣 S'ok, we're a sheltered lot. 🥰🤗

moonshinegnomie

(3,704 posts)
20. you've never heard the french sing their antherm before a game.
Fri Feb 2, 2024, 08:50 PM
Feb 2024

and one you see the translation you'll discover its about a war like and bloddy as it gets

just the first verse and chorus translated

Arise, children of the Fatherland,
The day of glory has arrived!
Against us stands tyranny
Her bloody standard has been raised, (repeated)
Do you hear, in the countryside,
The roar of those ferocious soldiers?
They come right into your arms
To tear the throats of your sons, your wives!

Refrain:
𝄆 To arms, citizens,
Form your battalions,
Let's March, let's march!
So that an impure
blood waters our furrows! 𝄇

odins folly

(487 posts)
4. Most of the issues with the SSB
Fri Feb 2, 2024, 05:15 PM
Feb 2024

Came about after 9-11-01, when the B. Jr administration wanted EVERYONE to join in the “patriotism” and “back the troops” while him and Cheney (Halliburton) sent the military into the mid-east to eliminate perceived enemies and steal oil and or massive amounts of tax dollars.

All pro sports games played the national anthem, but it wasn’t the spectacle it is and has become. TV never showed that part of the games except for maybe the Superbowl. Not sure about basketball and baseball, never watched those championship games.

I wonder if anyone will ever know how many tax dollars were sent to the NFL, MLB and NBA to highlight military members. When my wife and I were season ticket holders for the Cardinals, every game they would highlight a service member and show them on the big tvs and every one would applaud.

I remember there was some sort of outrage (however small) when it was found out we were paying the NFL to do these things.

I also always wondered how much was sent to video game developers to fund first person shooter games for young kids to get hooked on and desensitize them to war… but that’s another thought outside of this OP

Cheers,

rsdsharp

(11,418 posts)
5. I didn't have a problem with the anthem after 9/11.
Fri Feb 2, 2024, 05:35 PM
Feb 2024

My problem was with God Bless America (the one verse wonder that just gets repeated), and with the $19.95, made in China, instant patriotism kits.

Baseball decreed that the Kate Smith hit be sung during the seventh inning stretch. It went on for years. Yankee Stadium wouldn’t even allow people to go to the john during the singing.

The magnetic “Support Our Troops” ribbons pissed me off. So did the faded, ragged and filthy flags rolled up in car windows in all weather. They screamed “I’m more patriotic than you,” while violating the flag provisions of Title 4 of the U. S. Code. I ended up having a large magnetic ribbon made for my car that read, “My Ribbon Is Bigger Than Your Ribbon.” I still have it on the door of the downstairs refrigerator.

odins folly

(487 posts)
8. Flags
Fri Feb 2, 2024, 06:14 PM
Feb 2024

I cannot stand all of these recent faux patriots and the ripped flags they fly from their "I have an exceptionally small penis" trucks, just like I hated the faded and ripped window flags they displayed after 9-11-01. I was still active duty at that time and it made my blood boil....

rsdsharp

(11,418 posts)
11. Yep. Ripped, faded, filthy, displayed in all weather,
Fri Feb 2, 2024, 06:43 PM
Feb 2024

despite not being all weather flags, displayed at night, despite not being lighted, rolled up in windows, instead of being clamped to the right fender or fixed to the chassis, and touching the car below it.

Six marks of disrespect, but THEY are the patriots.

MerryBlooms

(12,071 posts)
19. The phony patriot flag flyers bug me too. My husband was a boy scout
Fri Feb 2, 2024, 08:41 PM
Feb 2024

When we married, he taught me and eventually our sons, about proper flag respect and tradition. I have a 46 star flag of his great grandfather's in my hope chest. It's sealed and waiting to be passed down, but should have been disposed of properly, but I haven't had the heart. He was a Marshall in the OK territory. He had 2 shootouts, never wounded. I think he'd been proud, one desendant became a respected judge. I'll hang onto that flag. I see it every few years, next to my grandma's teddy bear.

I'm okay with folks not saluting our flag, or not saluting. I love us all.

calimary

(88,079 posts)
9. Welcome to DU, odins folly!
Fri Feb 2, 2024, 06:25 PM
Feb 2024

Yeah, I get your point. I've always wished our national anthem would be a tune like "America the Beautiful." Something that expresses love of country without glorifying war.

Igel

(37,146 posts)
15. It glories defense against military oppression.
Fri Feb 2, 2024, 07:18 PM
Feb 2024

The US was the defender. The attack was to be two-pronged--up Long Log Lane to Baltimore and with landings elsewhere, blocked by Ft. McHenry. The British had gone far past the 1/6 insurrectionists in destroying American democracy, burning the Capitol and the President's house, along with a lot of DC, a few weeks before.

Now they wanted Baltimore, because it was in the way of securing a much better position in order to defeat and retake the "colonies." They were thwarted in their land attack, from Todd's estate up Long Log Lane to North Point. Stricker defended their positions and drove the British back. They burned the plantation house now on Todd's Estate, but it was rebuilt--from there you can see down the Chesapeake Bay all the way to the Atlantic. The British were also thwarted in the Ft. McHenry didn't fall and the British ships didn't achieve their military mission.

Long Log Lane is now North Point Blvd and ran in front of my high school, it was just about the only way out of the community I grew up in. My chemistry teacher got the Todd Estate placed on the register of historic places (and I don't know how many pages of deeds and grants and letters from the 17th century I transcribed with my girlfriend to help out). My jr high was General John Stricker, and in building the school they found a lot of cannonballs and other things from 1814. When the British left Todd's Estate, they didn't burn the slave quarters; those still stood in the 1970s, built in the 1600s.

I have no problem with military force to resist unjust, unsolicited, revanchist oppression.

Attilatheblond

(7,473 posts)
13. I recall the anthem being shown on TV before baseball games way back when I was a kid (early 1960s)
Fri Feb 2, 2024, 06:54 PM
Feb 2024

Grandpa ALWAYS said 'Play Ball!' after it was shown on tv. Happened every time there was a game on TV; so often my little brother thought 'play ball!' was part of the song.

 

SarahD

(1,732 posts)
7. Just don't go too far.
Fri Feb 2, 2024, 06:12 PM
Feb 2024

The first verse is OK but then it goes on to promise death to mercenaries and runaway slaves who fight for the British.

debm55

(51,633 posts)
12. I don't like the Star Spangled Banner. It's a song that glorifies war, is hard to sing, (Whitney's version was recorded
Fri Feb 2, 2024, 06:48 PM
Feb 2024

pregame in a studio and lip synced) and most people don;t know the words. I wish our National Anthem was America, America. . That song is not a war song, can be song easily. and describes the natural beauty of America.

markpkessinger

(8,866 posts)
16. As national anthems go . . .
Fri Feb 2, 2024, 08:13 PM
Feb 2024

. . . the Star Spangled Banner is, well, weird. It is unique, so far as I know, in that it glorifies the symbol -- the signifier -- over the thing signified, which I find to be more than a little problematic. I mean, the French national anthem -- La Marseillaise -- is similarly martial, but it only makes one mention of its flag: "L'étendard sanglant est levé" ("Her bloody standard has been raised" ), but it doesn't wax poetic about a piece of cloth!

Personally, I rather like America, the Beautiful -- most especially its second verse, which seems to acknowledge that we are a work in progress, and continue to have our share of flaws:

O beautiful for pilgrim feet,
Whose stern, impassioned stress
A thoroughfare for freedom beat
Across the wilderness!
America! America!
God mend thine every flaw,
Confirm thy soul in self-control,
Thy liberty in law!


But, to get back to the Star-Spangled Banner, I really could live without playing it or any national anthem at sporting events, concerts, etc. But, speaking as a trained musician and singer, my feelings about how it should be sung, if we are going to insist on singing it at these events, are pretty well summed up by something that went around a few years back, attributed to a Marine colonel who was stationed in Afghanistan:

"

So with all the kindness I can muster,

I give this one piece of advice to the next pop star who is asked to sing the national anthem at a sporting event: save the vocal gymnastics and the physical gyrations for your concerts.

Just sing this song the way you were taught to sing it in kindergarten – straight up, no styling “Sing it with the constant awareness that there are soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines watching you from bases and outposts all over the world.

Don’t make them cringe with your self-centered ego gratification. Sing it as if you are standing before a row of 96-year-old WWII vets wearing their Purple Hearts, Silver Stars and flag pins on their cardigans and you want them to be proud of you for honoring them and the country they love – not because you want them to think you are a superstar musician.

They could see that from your costume, makeup and your entourage. Sing ‘The Star Spangled Banner’ with the courtesy and humility that tells the audience that it is about America, not you.

And please not everything needs to be spunked up! We’re getting a little weary of that. Francis Scott Key does not need any help.”


And regarding the "no styling," I would include singing it in the 3/4 meter in which it was written, rather than singing it, as many pop singers do, turning into 4/4 by elongating the first note of each measure to a half note (elongated words in all caps):

"Oh, SAY, can you SEE.
By the DAWN'S early LIGHT,
What so PROUD-ly we hailed
At the twilight's last gleam-ING,
Whose broad STRIPES and bright STARS . . . ."

And yet, switching back to 3/4 for certain measures. It makes a hash out of the composition.

And for God's sake, skip the interpolated high notes and all the added, florid, melismatic improvisations! This isn't -- and shouldn't be -- an occasion to showcase your vocal gymnastics!

I would add that the ONLY "styled" version of the national anthem that I've ever been able to tolerate is the one by Ray Charles! But somehow, the embellishments he added managed to enhance the emotion of the song, rather than to draw attention to himself as the singer. For nearly every other singer, however, I would say, "You ain't no Ray Charles!"

grumpyduck

(6,670 posts)
18. Thank you. I appreciated that.
Fri Feb 2, 2024, 08:22 PM
Feb 2024

And I totally agree with the colonel: it's not a concert showpiece.

Raine

(30,973 posts)
21. My father's favorite version was Jimi Hendrix's
Fri Feb 2, 2024, 10:20 PM
Feb 2024

he wasn't big on the SSB but he loved the way Hendrix did it.

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