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BlueWaveNeverEnd

(11,475 posts)
Sat Mar 23, 2024, 12:40 AM Mar 2024

UC Berkeley professor is being pilloried after telling students to "get out of the Bay Area" if they want a girlfriend.


A UC Berkeley professor is being pilloried after telling students to “get out of the Bay Area” if they want a girlfriend.

“If you want a girlfriend, get out of the Bay Area. Almost everywhere else on the planet is better for that. I’m not kidding at all. You’ll be shocked by the stark differences in behavior of women in places where women are plentiful versus their behavior within artillery distance of San Jose and San Francisco.”

Shewchuk’s comments were in response to a student who was asking for advice about finding work in the Bay Area and dating in the area, the Daily Cal reported. Screenshots of the post and the discussion surrounding it circulated through several social media outlets, including Reddit and X.

After learning about the post, the university’s computer science chair Stuart Russell and electrical engineering and computer science chair Claire Tomlin spoke with Shewchuk, Montez said. Shewchuk then issued an apology.

According to a screenshot of Shewchuk’s apology posted to Reddit, he said he “did not intend to convey any disrespect for women.” He also said he made the comment because of “sympathy” for the student and to “help students.”

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/uc-berkeley-professor-criticized-comments-women-19363213.php

Some students told the Daily Cal that Shewchuk has made offensive comments in the past, including misogynistic comments.
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UC Berkeley professor is being pilloried after telling students to "get out of the Bay Area" if they want a girlfriend. (Original Post) BlueWaveNeverEnd Mar 2024 OP
"... he said he 'did not intend to convey any disrespect for women'." area51 Mar 2024 #1
just those snooty (and no doubt upitty .. ?) women of the Bay area stopdiggin Mar 2024 #2
Is there a significantly higher male population than female population in that area? Silent3 Mar 2024 #3
There's a money/status thing here that's . . . a whole thing Sympthsical Mar 2024 #7
So glad I'm gay JonAndKatePlusABird Mar 2024 #8
That is an A+ screen name Sympthsical Mar 2024 #9
Ah. The usual incel rage over women daring to have standards then. Lancero Mar 2024 #11
First time I glanced only at the headline, I thought he meant population, as in most programmers are male usonian Mar 2024 #4
Seems to ForgedCrank Mar 2024 #5
Would you be saying that if he were talking about African Americans? MrsCheaplaugh Mar 2024 #12
Artillery fire? JonAndKatePlusABird Mar 2024 #6
It's not far from San Jose Sympthsical Mar 2024 #10
No One Has a Right to Protest in My Home LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2024 #13
This law student is not going to have fun in the legal world LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2024 #14

stopdiggin

(14,458 posts)
2. just those snooty (and no doubt upitty .. ?) women of the Bay area
Sat Mar 23, 2024, 01:25 AM
Mar 2024

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Silent3

(15,909 posts)
3. Is there a significantly higher male population than female population in that area?
Sat Mar 23, 2024, 01:49 AM
Mar 2024

If so (and only if so) it's quite true that the women can afford to be much choosier about whom they date, and a man will have a harder time finding a date.

Perhaps this professor "has made offensive comments in the past", as "Some students told the Daily Cal", but, in and of itself, a statistical truth about a more difficult dating scene shouldn't be considered offensive.

Sympthsical

(10,734 posts)
7. There's a money/status thing here that's . . . a whole thing
Sat Mar 23, 2024, 02:38 AM
Mar 2024

I live in the Bay Area and have straight friends, and I've heard this chatter from them for nearly a decade, both the women and the men. A lot of tech money is in the region, and women can be choosier about who they go on dates with (this is not a bad thing!). Mix in the absurd cost of living - housing prices included - and a lot of people feel they have to either be at a certain level or seek others who are at that level.

So, if you're a male not in tech or a similar industry and rolling in it, you're not having as easy a time. Particularly if you're young and starting out, because tech people make bank out of the gate where others are just trying to get started. I'm not saying they're having a hard time. I'm just saying not as easy. So there's resentment and things floating around due to that when men who are just doing ok are seeing asshole tech bros succeeding. The Bay Area is considered much better for women seeking dates than men. At least that's the popular impression of the situation. You hear it everywhere.

But hey, there are other regions where it's flipped around a bit. So it goes.

So glad I'm gay. Here's how I dated around in the Bay Area before settling down.

*opens app*
*goes on date*
The end.

Professor still sounds like kind of an asshole regardless. "How women behave." Lord.

usonian

(21,062 posts)
4. First time I glanced only at the headline, I thought he meant population, as in most programmers are male
Sat Mar 23, 2024, 01:51 AM
Mar 2024

But Noooooooooh

Talking about behavior is making a generalization, and in this case, a smear as well.

Some people never grow up.

I worked at Cal, and never offended anyone because I thought about what I was going to say, and how it might be perceived, before saying it.

ForgedCrank

(2,888 posts)
5. Seems to
Sat Mar 23, 2024, 01:51 AM
Mar 2024

me some people are looking way too hard for things to get offended by if this is the bar

6. Artillery fire?
Sat Mar 23, 2024, 02:10 AM
Mar 2024

When I think of the Bay Area, that’s my first thought, whether Cupertino is within “artillery fire” distance of SF
proper.

Also, the first person I would want to talk to when I want dating advice is my Computer Science Professor. Sure Dr. Smellslikefart, enlighten me on What Women Want.

Sympthsical

(10,734 posts)
10. It's not far from San Jose
Sat Mar 23, 2024, 02:55 AM
Mar 2024

About 15 mins. San Jose has gone insane as tech and housing demand started creeping across that city. I have a nephew whose girlfriend got a job with Stanford medical after she finished school, so they decided to move down there.

They are paying in rent almost as much for a one bedroom apartment as I am on my mortgage for a five-bedroom house in North Bay. They needed a co-signer (they're early twenties), and the entire time I was standing in the kitchen saying in increasingly hysterical tones of disbelief, "This is a mortgage . . ."

If you're not making money. Don't bother.

As for the poor and working class who are being displaced . . . meh. Someone will get around to bothering about that someday. Maybe.

LetMyPeopleVote

(170,591 posts)
13. No One Has a Right to Protest in My Home
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 04:50 PM
Apr 2024

A couple of weeks ago, some law students disrupted a dinner at the private home of UC Berkely Dean and his wife. See



This Dean was on MSNBC with Katy Tur and so I had to look up the article that this Dean published. Here is a great article by Dean Erwin Chemerinsky on the First Amendment.


https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/04/campus-protest-first-amendment-berkeley/678186/
The week before the dinners on April 9, 10, and 11, though, a group at Berkeley called Law Students for Justice in Palestine put a profoundly disturbing poster on social media and on bulletin boards in the law-school building. no dinner with zionist chem while gaza starves, the poster declared in large letters. (Students sometimes refer to me as “Chem.”) It also included a caricature of me holding a bloody knife and fork and with what appeared to be blood around my lips—an image that evokes the horrible anti-Semitic blood libel, in which Jews are accused of killing and cannibalizing gentile children. The poster attacks me for no apparent reason other than that I am Jewish. The posters did not specify anything I personally had said or done wrong. The only stated request was that the University of California divest from Israel—a matter for the regents of the University of California, not the law school or even the Berkeley campus.....

On April 9, about 60 students came to our home for dinner. Our guests were seated at tables in our backyard. Just as they began eating, I was stunned to see the leader of Law Students for Justice in Palestine—who was among the registered guests—stand up with a microphone that she had brought, go up the steps in the yard, and begin reading a speech about the plight of the Palestinians. My wife and I immediately approached her and asked her to stop speaking and leave the premises. The protester continued. At one point, my wife attempted to take away her microphone. Repeatedly, we said to her: You are a guest in our home. Please leave.

The student insisted that she had free-speech rights. But our home is not a forum for free speech; it is our own property, and the First Amendment—which constrains the government’s power to encroach on speech on public property—does not apply at all to guests in private backyards. The dinner, which was meant to celebrate graduating students, was obviously disrupted. Even if we had held the dinner in the law-school building, no one would have had a constitutional right to disrupt the event. I have taught First Amendment law for 44 years, and as many other experts have confirmed, this is not a close question.....

Being at the center of a social-media firestorm was strange and unsettling. We received thousands of messages, many very hateful and some threatening. For days, we got death threats. An organized email campaign demanded that the regents and campus officials fire my wife and me, and another organized email campaign supported us. Amid an intensely painful sequence of events, we experienced one upside: After receiving countless supportive messages from people we have met over the course of decades, we felt like Jimmy Stewart at the end of It’s a Wonderful Life.

Overall, though, this experience has been enormously sad. It made me realize how anti-Semitism is not taken as seriously as other kinds of prejudice. If a student group had put up posters that included a racist caricature of a Black dean or played on hateful tropes about Asian American or LGBTQ people, the school would have erupted—and understandably so. But a plainly anti-Semitic poster received just a handful of complaints from Jewish staff and students.

Many people’s reaction to the incident in our yard reflected their views of what is happening in the Middle East. But it should not be that way. The dinners at our house were entirely nonpolitical; there was no program of any kind. And our university communities, along with society as a whole, will be worse off if every social interaction—including ones at people’s private homes—becomes a forum for uninvited political monologues.

The First Amendment does not allow one to stage a demonstration at the private home of a law School Dean. If this law student oes graduate, she may find a hard time finding a job at a major law firm.
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