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Metaphorical

(2,528 posts)
Sat Oct 26, 2024, 02:46 PM Oct 2024

Will RFK, Jr., Sink Trump?

I mailed my ballots here in Seattle last night, and noticed when we got to president that (1) Kamala Harris and Tim Walz were right there at the top (Yay!) but also that (2) RFK Jr. was on the ballot in Washington State. I saw elsewhere that he was frantically trying to get his name off the ballots elsewhere, but that he's being overruled by state supreme courts pretty much unanimously.

This got me to wondering - will RFK, Jr., sink Donald Trump? I think back to all of the Nicki Haley votes that she received AFTER she had dropped out and endorsed Trump. I don't think he's going to take many votes from Kamala Harris - the people who are likely to vote directly for Harris are not going to find RFK an attractive alternative, but there are a fair number of Republicans who cannot bring themselves to vote for a Democrat who may nonetheless not be able to stomach Trump, who they would otherwise pull the lever for holding their nose. I similarly can see independent voters doing the same thing.

He may not account for much - perhaps 2-3% in total, but that could make a huge difference between a tight race and blowout, especially in swing states.

Thoughts?

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Will RFK, Jr., Sink Trump? (Original Post) Metaphorical Oct 2024 OP
Wouldn't that be great? Scrivener7 Oct 2024 #1
Your thought is as good as the next person. It may be OnDoutside Oct 2024 #2
Perhaps it will be . . . Richard D Oct 2024 #3
He's on my NJ ballot PCIntern Oct 2024 #4
Washington State anecdotal story leftieNanner Oct 2024 #5
That was similar to the ballot in NM. Charlie Chapulin Oct 2024 #6
RFK jr called for his name staying on in non swing states, but off in swing states karynnj Oct 2024 #7
Hope and pray he destroys the orange turds re election chances. kimbutgar Oct 2024 #8
I don't think anyone is paying enough attention to RFK Jr. for him to be a factor. TwilightZone Oct 2024 #9
He may in Michigan and Wisconsin pat_k Oct 2024 #10

OnDoutside

(20,859 posts)
2. Your thought is as good as the next person. It may be
Sat Oct 26, 2024, 02:53 PM
Oct 2024

that and lots of smaller things that add up. Harris being higher up might help with undecided voters as well as RFK intended voters.

leftieNanner

(16,062 posts)
5. Washington State anecdotal story
Sat Oct 26, 2024, 03:04 PM
Oct 2024

I'm working as a ballot processor. Worked yesterday. Very few third party votes, but all of them voted Republican down ballot.

They are taking votes from TFG, not Kamala.

Charlie Chapulin

(370 posts)
6. That was similar to the ballot in NM.
Sat Oct 26, 2024, 03:05 PM
Oct 2024

There were seven options for prez. Kamala was at the top. Bob was number three. And Hair Furor was number six.

karynnj

(60,586 posts)
7. RFK jr called for his name staying on in non swing states, but off in swing states
Sat Oct 26, 2024, 03:08 PM
Oct 2024

I have no intention in trying to hard to understand this man's logic. Apparently, he saw the possibility of hurting Trump in the swing states. He clearly has no chance of affecting anything in non swing states.

The only guess I have as to why he wants to be on in the non swing states might be that if he garners enough votes, he could deny Harris getting over 50 percent. Obviously, that does not change anything and with the EC Bush won with not only less than 50 percent, but fewer votes than Gore.

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
9. I don't think anyone is paying enough attention to RFK Jr. for him to be a factor.
Sat Oct 26, 2024, 03:35 PM
Oct 2024

Could be wrong, but I don't think so.

pat_k

(12,056 posts)
10. He may in Michigan and Wisconsin
Sat Oct 26, 2024, 03:38 PM
Oct 2024

When it became clear that he takes more votes from Trump he dropped out and endeavored to get his name off swing state ballots. He didn't care about solid blue or red states because he knows he won't make a difference there -- but he could make a tiny, but significant difference where things are close. As will the that evil asshole Jill Stein.

Here's the run down of 3rd parties on swing-state ballots per Ballotpedia

Arizona
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Fascist Facilitator Jill Stein (G)
Chase Oliver (L)

Georgia
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Fascist Facilitator Jill Stein (G)
Chase Oliver (L)
*Cornel West (I)
*Claudia De la Cruz (Party for Socialism and Liberation)

* On ballot but disqualified so votes won't be counted.

Michigan
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Unhinged RFK Jr (Natural Law Party of Michigan)
Fascist Facilitator Jill Stein (G)
Chase Oliver (L)
Randall Terry (U.S. Taxpayers Party of Michigan)
Joseph Kishore (I)
Cornel West (I)

Nevada
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Joel Skousen (Independent American Party)
Chase Oliver (L)

North Carolina
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Fascist Facilitaor Jill Stein (G)
Chase Oliver (L)
Randall Terry (Constitution Party)
Cornel West (Justice for All)

Pennsylvania
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Fascist Facilitator Jill Stein (G)
Chase Oliver (L)

Wisconsin
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Unhinged RFK Jr (I)
Fascist Facilitator Jill Stein (G)
Chase Oliver (L)
Claudia De La Cruz (I)
Cornel West (I)
Randall Terry (Constitution Party)

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