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Metaphorical

(2,528 posts)
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 01:07 AM Nov 2024

There comes a time, in many entertainer's careers,

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where they realize that nobody is coming to the club anymore to see them, no one is going to a movie starring them, they find themselves getting fewer and fewer engagements, until eventually they've had to sell everything they had at the height of their career and are facing ruin and bankruptcy. The smart ones are self-aware enough to bow out gracefully, to find that magic moment where they can go with their reputation intact, with fond memories by their fans. For others, the realization comes far too late. This is the fate of Trump.

For him the tipping point came in November 2020. Had he conceded the election, it's likely that he would have been considered a poor president by the historians, but still idolized by millions. That was the point he could have gone out on a high note, and his post-presidential career would likely have been filled with ample rewards.

However, he didn't. He kept the same schtick going, hoping to regain the crowds, the adulation, the power. Trump has always been a weak man, prey to his own vices, but the single biggest one of those was pride, in his case which metastesized as hubris. After he was defeated, he could not accept that he was no longer considered good enough to lead the country, that he deserved to lead the country, not having learned anything from the last four years.

We have long had a convention in this country, after a president is defeated, that he must meet with his successor in a collegial manner, for them to both clear the air after frequently bruising campaigns and to impart knowledge and wisdom gained from four years in one of the hardest jobs in the world. It's a good custom, because in any election, there can be only one winner, and we hope that the people that we elect our mature enough to recognize that.

It was obvious to me after Trump refused to meet with Biden after he lost that Trump was too immature to ever be president again (It was obvious long before that, but this moment I think defined Trump indelibly). It was also the moment that he could have walked away with his dignity, and likely moved onto the next phases of his life, older but wiser. But he couldn't move on. His hubris had become so dominant that it could not accept that he wasn't perfect. People who believe they are perfect are incapable of learning - they have evolved as far as they ever will, and they would only devolve from there.

For the last four years, we have watched the devolution of Donald J. Trump. We have watched as he became more thuggish, more demeaning, more abrasive and threatening. Gone was the apparent charm and good lucks, in its place was an increasingly decrepit old man who used every artifice possible to appear like he was ageless. No doubt the presidential portrait, tucked away in a spare storage area in the White House, has been becoming more cracked and festering, to the point where even it could not hide his moral degeneration and burst into greasy flames smelling vaguely of McDonald's fries and unchanged depends.

I don't know who will win on Tuesday, though my gut feeling is that Kamala Harris will become our first female president. However, what I can say about Trump is that while he will not go gently into that good night, he will, nonetheless, go.

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There comes a time, in many entertainer's careers, (Original Post) Metaphorical Nov 2024 OP
Typo in 2nd paragraph -- 2016 nt intrepidity Nov 2024 #1
Not to mention "October"... regnaD kciN Nov 2024 #2
I think it's about his ego, but also something we aren't completely clued into: his ties to Putin. usonian Nov 2024 #3
He didn't really have a choice BWdem4life Nov 2024 #4
An analogy PJMcK Nov 2024 #5
You're so right. phylny Nov 2024 #6
Trump is at the Raging Bull final scene point in his career. IrishAfricanAmerican Nov 2024 #7

usonian

(21,473 posts)
3. I think it's about his ego, but also something we aren't completely clued into: his ties to Putin.
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 01:28 AM
Nov 2024

His every word and action, along with his zombie army of legislators, seems to benefit Putin.

The 2016 election was so driven, and the details were covered up.

He will crash and burn when he's determined to be useless to his dictator benefactor(s), and there's a sense of that starting to take place as he melts down. His heroes, such as Franco, Mussolini, Hitler and so on, never resorted to inane and profane clown shows. But they weren't previously actors, so who knows?

I do suspect some kind of blackmail, either from his Epsteinery or perhaps a black mass or something else profoundly and shatteringly debauched and sacrilegious that even his demon-gelical supporters would drop him, and the latest act of public indecency is getting close to that. Blackmail is how the mob keeps people in line, and his entire life has resembled a mob operation. You can throw in the "Russian Mafia". He's trivially compromised and manipulated and Madam Vice President has said so in her campaign speeches.

Well, my two cents' worth. It will all come out later.

STOP THE STALL

Except for whatever is withheld to protect any remaining operatives he hasn't compromised or sold out already.

So, the ego, the actor, the fraudulent businessman, the mob boss, the sex criminal ... That's one giant Bingo card.

BWdem4life

(2,785 posts)
4. He didn't really have a choice
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 01:40 AM
Nov 2024

I mean he did in November 2020, but we would have to assume he also didn't steal classified docs and refuse to return them.

Once that happened and the FBI raided MAL, he pretty much had to run again.

PJMcK

(24,299 posts)
5. An analogy
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 09:29 AM
Nov 2024

Your point about timing is instructive. In almost every aspect of life, timing is extremely important. A great example is Johnny Carson.

The comedian co-created one of the most successful TV shows ever. His comedy was mainstream with just enough “edge” for the late night audience. Carson became one of the most beloved celebrities.

But he saw that comedy was evolving, becoming more diverse and going in directions that didn’t align with his aesthetics. Additionally, the TV business and programming were moving in many different directions.

Carson saw all of this and decided he would go out on top. He had all of his favorite people on the show during the final months. For his last show, he was solo and just talked to the audience.

Then he was gone. For good.

Carson rarely made appearances and he almost never voiced opinions about anything. He quietly retired with his reputation and stardom intact.

It was a very rare occurrence in our celebrity-driven culture. More people should consider Carson’s example.

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