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Metaphorical

(2,528 posts)
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 05:26 PM Feb 2025

The Second American Civil War Has Begun

The barbarians have stormed the gates. The security apparatus of this country is now under the control of a set of malignant narcissists who have no care whatsoever for the rule of law, indeed, they rejoice in its destruction.

I have been predicting for some time (a couple of decades now) that we were headed in this direction and that the US would fall from within. Congress, for all intents and purposes, has no checks on Trump, and as such they are now irrelevant, because Trump can now force banks to bend their knee and give him all the money he needs. The courts are discovering that Trump is simply ignoring him. What are they going to do? Arrest him?

I do not believe that Trump was legitimately elected, however, that is irrelevant now.

My belief is that the Republic, as we know it, is over. There may or may not be elections in 2026, but it won't matter, because the Dems will mysteriously lose big. The next stage is going to be a purge of military officers and a purity test to be administered for their replacements. They will be loyal to Trump, not the Constitution. That's how these things work. Businesses that had government contracts will all kowtow and will lay off anyone who isn't MAGAT, and CEOs of other companies will follow suit, because they don't want to be seen as being in opposition to a punitive, arbitrary, capricious government.

Once that happens, the next stage will be a bomb or drone attack that will take out the Capital Building (cf., the Reichstag Fire), with loyalists mysteriously out of town that day. Trump will use this as an excuse to declare martial law, suspend the Constitution, and declare himself Chaiman of the Board of the Trumplandia. Citing security concerns, he will move the seat of government to Mara Lago.

The reconstituted Congress will still be convened, but it will represent only MAGAT loyalists. The only real opposition is going to come from the States. At that point, I suspect that the West Coast (and possibly the Acela corridor) and the Canadian border states will secede, form mutual support pacts with Canada and Mexico, and will reach out to both NATO and (ironically) China for assistance. This is going to pit the military against itself.

I've been figuring that a breakup will occur, the question I was unsure about was not whether it would happen, but whether it would be a voluntary agreement or by war. I am increasingly pessimistic about this being peaceful. A second civil war will be devastating, but it is looking increasingly possible.

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The Second American Civil War Has Begun (Original Post) Metaphorical Feb 2025 OP
Your mistake is believing the first one ever ended misanthrope Feb 2025 #1
True Metaphorical Feb 2025 #2
Suggested read misanthrope Feb 2025 #5
I will say that New York City ITAL Feb 2025 #6
My only famous ancestor was William Tecumseh Sherman elocs Feb 2025 #9
There was already a bomb threat on the Kennedy Center today. Initech Feb 2025 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author anciano Feb 2025 #4
NETFLIX would like your script HereForTheParty Feb 2025 #7
Agreed. Yet so many Democrats, including leaders, are putting their faith in the midterms elocs Feb 2025 #8

Metaphorical

(2,528 posts)
2. True
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 05:53 PM
Feb 2025

However, 160 years is a long enough period that there are different culture vectors and alignments at work today. The Southeast will still be on one side of the divide, but consider that this time around, the president is a former New Yorker who was expelled from the city and moved to Florida, Austin, TX has become the new technology hub for the South, and the primary cultural opposition is coming from the West (though primarily led by tech financiers who came from the Northeast and were educated at Harvard and Princeton), this gets a lot more complicated.

ITAL

(1,208 posts)
6. I will say that New York City
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 05:58 PM
Feb 2025

Was consistently a bed of Confederate sympathy. Hell, it briefly considered seceding and becoming a city-state. Obviously also the draft riots as well.

 

elocs

(24,486 posts)
9. My only famous ancestor was William Tecumseh Sherman
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 06:11 PM
Feb 2025

who went far too easy on the South and Lincoln embracing the South back into the Union was in essence bringing a poisonous viper to our nation's breast.

Initech

(106,540 posts)
3. There was already a bomb threat on the Kennedy Center today.
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 05:56 PM
Feb 2025

Fuck this administration. Fuck them to the hottest circle of hell.

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elocs

(24,486 posts)
8. Agreed. Yet so many Democrats, including leaders, are putting their faith in the midterms
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 06:06 PM
Feb 2025

which if they happen at all will be meaningless to recovering the Republic which will be gone by then anyways because why would Trump and Musk allow there to be midterms that could help the Democrats? The folding and collapse of America will come quickly with a bangless whimper compared to its creation.

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