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Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 01:58 AM Mar 2025

Nothing can be gained from engaging in political debate or even discourse with MAGA. Nothing.

And if you believe that I am wrong, show me the data that says that engaging in political discourse with right wingers converts into votes.

Now, I'm not to saying that we shouldn't engage with Republican voters directly. We should. We definitely should, but engaging in debates with avowed MAGA types is a waste of time and does not translate into votes.

The focus should be on non-voters and the base.

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Nothing can be gained from engaging in political debate or even discourse with MAGA. Nothing. (Original Post) Yavin4 Mar 2025 OP
I agree... Think. Again. Mar 2025 #1
Some of the non voters though will vote maga as we saw in the last general election Meowmee Mar 2025 #2
I've 'engaged' with wingnuts (e.g. arguing politics) regularly online for over a 1/4 century AZJonnie Mar 2025 #3
i'm banned from several of their boards rampartd Mar 2025 #8
Is this another anti-Newsom thread? JoseBalow Mar 2025 #4
Apparently. BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #10
I agree UpInArms Mar 2025 #5
The reason to debate MAGA voters is to convince others that our policies are better than theirs, not everyonematters Mar 2025 #6
It's futile to engage in discourse with extremists from either sude Kaleva Mar 2025 #7
the only engagement should be Comrade Citizen Mar 2025 #9

Think. Again.

(22,336 posts)
1. I agree...
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 02:17 AM
Mar 2025

"Debating" with NAZIs just amplifies their messge, and their message is too ugly and dangerous to be treated as a true political position.

AZJonnie

(972 posts)
3. I've 'engaged' with wingnuts (e.g. arguing politics) regularly online for over a 1/4 century
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 02:53 AM
Mar 2025

though I've scaled back on how much I will do so a lot over that time.

And that is because no, there IS NO POINT. They absolutely do not respect the concept of 'intellectual integrity', they will not engage in critical thinking, and they WILL NOT debate politics in good faith, ever. They will never admit that you've proven them wrong about something they asserted. They'll move the goalposts, they'll tell you that didn't say something they obviously said, or claim you misunderstood them, they'll call ANY source you use that plainly contradicts their programming 'biased' and therefore unreliable, no matter WHAT it is. Oh, and they love to post laughing emoji's, as if doing stands on it's own as some great revelation of the correctness of the utter bullshit they buy into. Basically the only thing they care about is annoying the fuck out of you.

It's not worth it, unless you find their antics amusing. Even if you do though it gets old, because they are like The Borg, a wretched hive-mind of cult worship. And with what's going on in real life around us, it's hard to laugh about what idiots they are.

rampartd

(2,130 posts)
8. i'm banned from several of their boards
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 06:56 AM
Mar 2025

but i generally agree that it is worthless to attempt discourse with trolls, cultists, and computer programs.

BannonsLiver

(19,367 posts)
10. Apparently.
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 02:44 PM
Mar 2025

Doesn’t look like he’s going to win the DU primary. Probably not a bad thing given the track record.

UpInArms

(53,052 posts)
5. I agree
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 05:28 AM
Mar 2025

These people are so deep in the flavor aid they can’t even think for themselves.

everyonematters

(3,857 posts)
6. The reason to debate MAGA voters is to convince others that our policies are better than theirs, not
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 06:25 AM
Mar 2025

necessarily to convince the MAGAS. If we can't do that, then what does that say about our policies. I have done it in the presence of others and I think I have done well.

Kaleva

(39,626 posts)
7. It's futile to engage in discourse with extremists from either sude
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 06:28 AM
Mar 2025

That's what makes them extremists.

Comrade Citizen

(344 posts)
9. the only engagement should be
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 02:41 PM
Mar 2025

ridicule, mocking, derision, scorn, scoffing, jeering, taunting.

Their own unelected leader calls them "contemptible fools".

They are all creepy weird nazis (but don't call them that, you'll hurt their feelings).

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