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Tom Rinaldo

(23,058 posts)
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 01:40 PM 12 hrs ago

Republicans don't grasp what's about to hit them

...if Trump doesn't pull the plug on his world wide trade war really soon. Increasingly, it's looking like he won't, probably because he knows he won't get away with spinning it as a win if he does. Earlier, he might have pulled that off, at least in the eyes of his base. Behind the scenes he could have worked out some face saving gestures that Mexico, Canada, and Europe might have allowed him, some minuscule concessions on their parts, that Trump could have inflated beyond all rational bounds to claim "victory." Now however he's poured so much gasoline on the fire that other nations increasingly are defiant. None trust Trump at his word, it is worth nothing. Why make concessions for good will when no good will will be given in return? More likely, sensing weakness, Trump would just stab them in the back,

Trump has boxed himself in with these trade wars, the only thing he is wired to do is escalate. He is psychologically incapable of a full scale retreat. Increasingly I believe America's recent strong allies will comprehend that the best way to neuter Trump is to turn the American public strongly against him. To make that happen, Americans need to suffer real economic pain, that can be pinned directly on Trump. The trade wars that Trump launched will do just that. Of course the people of our until recent allies will suffer also, but Trump has stoked Anti-American feelings inside all of those nations. They won't blink first, it has become almost a real war and they know that Trump must first be humbled, and then destroyed. They will blame Trump as well, not their own governments.

The plummeting stock market has broken through and captured the American public's attention, but that is just the opening act. Trade war sticker shock has yet to take hold. Prices are about to rise sharply for goods and services across the board. When they do, those who brought it on, Trump, Musk, and their sycophants in Congress, will face widespread public rage, and all their ravings against transgenders in women's sports will fail to deflect it.

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Republicans don't grasp what's about to hit them (Original Post) Tom Rinaldo 12 hrs ago OP
He can't spread misinformation on this malaise 12 hrs ago #1
They soon will, live and learn time is about to happen. republianmushroom 12 hrs ago #2
Trump thinks USA is too big to fail. bucolic_frolic 12 hrs ago #3
No, he believes HE is too big to fail. NEOBuckeye 9 hrs ago #20
I think he believes his old good buddy, Putin will ride to his rescue. Texin 9 hrs ago #23
Well, we weren't much better with all the fake pictures of Trump in an orange jumpsuit elocs 4 hrs ago #42
More boycotts from foreign countries and within our own can send a quick message. Also pulling money... dutch777 12 hrs ago #4
The reality of our wallets C_U_L8R 12 hrs ago #5
And countries have been dumping US Treasuries too, not buying these securities so who's going to finance SWBTATTReg 11 hrs ago #6
Yea, this isn't going to go well. He's a buly who doesn't understand ms liberty 11 hrs ago #7
The GOP has been @ death's door for my entire adult life Orrex 10 hrs ago #8
After W Bush clevergrrrl 10 hrs ago #15
If MAGAs looked at Reagan's actual policies, they'd call him a communist.... Wiz Imp 9 hrs ago #25
Great post birdographer 10 hrs ago #9
Today I was poking around the local charity thrift shop and I spotted a 1929 edition of the New York Times. Vinca 10 hrs ago #10
My mother was a crash baby, born in August of '29. elocs 4 hrs ago #43
Yup..if they do not do something to rein him in, today's protests in front of frump tower will look like child's play PortTack 10 hrs ago #11
I'm not sure Trump voters will care. Lonestarblue 10 hrs ago #12
I agree. Trump has the military and industrial power of this country at his disposal and he can Wonder Why 10 hrs ago #16
They'll blame it on someone else GaYellowDawg 4 hrs ago #45
Yea, inflation is going to skyrocket, the cool PPI print radius777 10 hrs ago #13
They have gerrymandered themselves into zero accountability. 617Blue 10 hrs ago #14
Whether it be intentional or just due to tRump's incompetence, the economy is going to crash. flashman13 10 hrs ago #17
"49.9% of the voters..." markodochartaigh 5 hrs ago #40
Yeah They just didn't know enough about Harris. Translation: They just couldn't vote for a black woman. flashman13 3 hrs ago #49
He retreats plenty in reality though not with his damn mouth LymphocyteLover 10 hrs ago #18
TRUMP IS A CRAPPY BUSINESSMAN Jimvanhise 10 hrs ago #19
Abso-fucking-lutely -- and he seems determined to bankrupt the US LymphocyteLover 8 hrs ago #33
Yes, when he can spin it otherwise Tom Rinaldo 9 hrs ago #21
Spinoccio.. puppet strings are getting shorter and nose growing much longer,every day. BattleRow 8 hrs ago #29
It will hit them like a freight train and they'll whine bigly. Dave Bowman 9 hrs ago #22
"Wired to escalate". Yeah that sounds right. Evolve Dammit 9 hrs ago #24
K&R x a Trillion ReRe 9 hrs ago #26
401K's are losing value fast pfitz59 8 hrs ago #27
If he doesn't swallow his pride and back down, reality will publically castrate him Attilatheblond 8 hrs ago #28
Narcissists can't swallow their pride Random Boomer 6 hrs ago #37
Yes, but also lashing out at ALL Americans because he was voted out in 2020 & nobody fell for his 'stolen' lies Attilatheblond 2 hrs ago #50
Yes, to all of this. But he still has 4 years to create havoc... Grins 8 hrs ago #30
I've heard that Vance is worse than Trump with the advantage of being sane. elocs 4 hrs ago #44
But Vance is so unpleasant. LisaM 55 min ago #52
Oh! i am so sick of this winning!! Playingmantis 8 hrs ago #31
I've seen prices on a number of items jump 10%-15% in the last week relayerbob 8 hrs ago #32
I think your analysis is excellent. Borogove 7 hrs ago #34
Their base is dumber than a box of rocks. They'll blame it on Democrats. CentralMass 7 hrs ago #35
ALWAYS. GaYellowDawg 4 hrs ago #46
Exactly. We should NOT have a shutdown, just give the Pukes enough rope to hang themselves. nt Exp 7 hrs ago #36
HEARD the pros and cons of the CR vapor2 4 hrs ago #47
I understand what trump, musk, and the rest of the repubs are slightlv 5 hrs ago #38
Republicans have Stockholm Syndrome mdbl 5 hrs ago #39
All of which is why since millions of Republicans will be hurt, another election cant be allowed. elocs 4 hrs ago #41
Our allies are responding the way they need to. luvallpeeps 3 hrs ago #48
His tariffs are stupid. OAITW r.2.0 1 hr ago #51
The coup is over bob4460 46 min ago #53
How exactly will the 50 states each have their elections stopped? ZRB 37 min ago #55
What *should* hit them EnergizedLib 42 min ago #54

bucolic_frolic

(49,158 posts)
3. Trump thinks USA is too big to fail.
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 01:47 PM
12 hrs ago

I don't remember TBTF's turning out very well in the Great Recession.

NEOBuckeye

(2,862 posts)
20. No, he believes HE is too big to fail.
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 04:07 PM
9 hrs ago

Why else would be acting like he is? He believes he’s unstoppable.

And its not like anyone has ever held him accountable.

elocs

(23,571 posts)
42. Well, we weren't much better with all the fake pictures of Trump in an orange jumpsuit
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 09:15 PM
4 hrs ago

like he would be in prison soon, a joke who was no danger to America. We were cocky and overconfident and complacent at the same time. Who would ever vote for Trump except for the maga crowd. But we were so sure Harris would win while Musk was stealing the elections in the swing states which beyond the law of averages, Trump won all 7 of them.

dutch777

(4,013 posts)
4. More boycotts from foreign countries and within our own can send a quick message. Also pulling money...
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 01:48 PM
12 hrs ago

...from US banks and other $$ denominated investments. Most foreigners don't need to travel here, buy our whiskey and other goods or invest in our stock market. Those dollars not showing up will more quickly hit home than the 2026 election or any amount of letters to our elected representatives.

SWBTATTReg

(24,961 posts)
6. And countries have been dumping US Treasuries too, not buying these securities so who's going to finance
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 03:03 PM
11 hrs ago

our spiraling deficits, especially those of tRUMP's endless spending such as the one giving more tax breaks to the 1%ers again.

ms liberty

(10,029 posts)
7. Yea, this isn't going to go well. He's a buly who doesn't understand
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 03:04 PM
11 hrs ago

That other nations don't have to submit to his threats and demands.

Orrex

(64,857 posts)
8. The GOP has been @ death's door for my entire adult life
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 03:15 PM
10 hrs ago

With predictions of imminent collapse and implosion at every step, yet somehow they’ve gotten stronger and more dominant with each passing year.

I’ll believe that the party is in trouble when people are ashamed to refer to Republicans in public and they no longer hold power. Until then, they are a bigger and more powerful threat each day.

clevergrrrl

(45 posts)
15. After W Bush
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 03:29 PM
10 hrs ago

werent rank & file republicans disowning him? To this day, they still seem to not like him, especially after he got cozy with Michelle Obama. Even Reagan's shine is getting dimmer, they seem to be replacing Reagan with Trump. These a$$hole MAGAts have the attention span of a flea. Whatever rotten festering racist festering hatred that exists in the world will find it's way and get a R brand. Been like that since the Civil War.

birdographer

(2,826 posts)
9. Great post
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 03:16 PM
10 hrs ago

Excellent points. Trump is a wimp, a weasel, a bully who is all bluster. All of his strings are being pulled by Putin and Musk, and donny has just said “Yeah, ok, whatever” and gone off to golf. He has no concept of how tariffs work, never mind the effect on Americans. He thinks that proclaiming something makes it true. He thinks he is a powerful and feared leader, when in fact he gets no respect from anyone. Everyone thinks he is a stupid, stupid little man who wears too much orange makeup. This includes his beloved Putin and Musk.

But now other countries are pushing back. The bully has been forced into this corner by Musk and Putin, and it’s too late to sneak out.

And yes, the damage he has done has just started. The cult is just on the edge of finding out who their leader is. Another month or two and let’s see what they do.

Vinca

(51,726 posts)
10. Today I was poking around the local charity thrift shop and I spotted a 1929 edition of the New York Times.
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 03:19 PM
10 hrs ago

It was in really good condition and although I didn't want to fork over $10 for it, I stopped to read the front page. It felt like everything old is new again. Stock market crashing was the news of the day. Just like today.

elocs

(23,571 posts)
43. My mother was a crash baby, born in August of '29.
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 09:19 PM
4 hrs ago

What are the odds that her son would be forced to live through the next big Depression as an old man. I don't anticipate it will be like The Waltons though.

PortTack

(35,363 posts)
11. Yup..if they do not do something to rein him in, today's protests in front of frump tower will look like child's play
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 03:20 PM
10 hrs ago

Lonestarblue

(12,388 posts)
12. I'm not sure Trump voters will care.
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 03:21 PM
10 hrs ago

Some will, especially those with stock market investments. But too many others believe his lies that he’s cleaning out the Deep State, making America stronger by telling the rest of the world what they need to do to please us, and that his tariffs and policies will cause only a little bit of pain followed by huge job creation and riches for everyone, especially them. The MAGA cult is not filled with great thinkers who can make connections between huge cuts to Medicaid and no nursing home for grandma when she can no longer be cared for at home or even local hospitals forced to close down because they too rely on Medicaid. Nor are they knowledgeable about global markets and politics or the impact that our loss of global leadership will have on a future possibly controlled by China or Russia. Trump is their savior and they will believe that he is the best president ever no matter what—and that means they will vote for Republicans to protect him.

Wonder Why

(5,261 posts)
16. I agree. Trump has the military and industrial power of this country at his disposal and he can
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 03:46 PM
10 hrs ago

force other countries to bend to his will with threats. He doesn't care how he destroys other countries, democracies or not, or whether it destroys ours in the process. Being the most powerful one around, we can be the biggest force for good or the biggest bully. He has chosen the latter.

GaYellowDawg

(4,935 posts)
45. They'll blame it on someone else
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 09:57 PM
4 hrs ago

When Trump's cuts to Medicaid and Medicare kick in and they can't put Mamaw in a nursing home, you know what's going to happen? Fox News will say "You see? Government doesn't work" and they'll all say "Yeah! Gubmint don't work! Gubmint evil!"

Ronald Reagan got this all started with his "most frightening words" bullshit and it's been pounded in for TWO GENERATIONS that gubmint is evil, gubmint don't work. Now they're reaping the fruits of it and I don't know how the hell that gets fixed. Especially with the penetration of Fox News everywhere and its intertwining with the Big Jesus religious machine in this country.

radius777

(3,892 posts)
13. Yea, inflation is going to skyrocket, the cool PPI print
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 03:23 PM
10 hrs ago

today was for the period (Feb) before the tariffs started to take effect, and I wonder if we can even trust the numbers coming out of Trump's gov't. But prices are surely going up as importers pass on the tariffs to consumers... inputs for production all around will go up.

Globalism has always been good, in terms of lowering prices and boosting production, as it allows each country to do what it does best and trade... comparative advantage. There are issues with it, but most economists on the left and right support free trade. It's just not possible to have a prosperous 1st world country otherwise.

617Blue

(1,735 posts)
14. They have gerrymandered themselves into zero accountability.
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 03:26 PM
10 hrs ago

They won't pay the consequences.

flashman13

(1,035 posts)
17. Whether it be intentional or just due to tRump's incompetence, the economy is going to crash.
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 03:46 PM
10 hrs ago

Therefore, the sooner it happens the better. He who lives by the economy can also die by the economy. 49.9% of the voters bought tRump's economic nonsense during the election. Very few of them will escape the economic pain. Nothing gets peoples attention faster than an attack on their wallet. The people that have already been hurt, many that voted MAGA, have already turned against him. So, keep up the good work Donny.

Amendment 25 tRump! 86 eLoon

markodochartaigh

(2,437 posts)
40. "49.9% of the voters..."
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 08:55 PM
5 hrs ago

Of the voters who bothered to vote. About one third can't be bothered to vote as long as they get their hamberders and sportsball.

flashman13

(1,035 posts)
49. Yeah They just didn't know enough about Harris. Translation: They just couldn't vote for a black woman.
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 10:34 PM
3 hrs ago

So they just stayed home.

Jimvanhise

(398 posts)
19. TRUMP IS A CRAPPY BUSINESSMAN
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 03:51 PM
10 hrs ago

Multiple bankruptcies have proven this, along with the many millions of dollars secretly funneled to him by his father to keep him afloat.

Tom Rinaldo

(23,058 posts)
21. Yes, when he can spin it otherwise
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 04:12 PM
9 hrs ago

But we know one thing, Trump refuses to admit when he has lost. But people can't eat Trump's spin, or fill up their tanks with it. When inflation really cuts in Trump won't be able to spin it as "a win" for America. And it looks like his ego won't let him drop his tariffs before the damage is already done.

ReRe

(11,357 posts)
26. K&R x a Trillion
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 05:01 PM
9 hrs ago

Exactly, Tom. The world knows what it is dealing with. Evidently Musk and Trump don't. What they've done is irreversible.

pfitz59

(11,365 posts)
27. 401K's are losing value fast
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 05:07 PM
8 hrs ago

and people are pissed! Summer is coming and folks are making plans. If Congress punts, I predict a bad outcome.

Attilatheblond

(5,384 posts)
28. If he doesn't swallow his pride and back down, reality will publically castrate him
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 05:12 PM
8 hrs ago

and feed him his own balls on toast

Random Boomer

(4,289 posts)
37. Narcissists can't swallow their pride
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 07:28 PM
6 hrs ago

The reason we're being fed through the meat grinder in the first place is that Trump is lashing out for having his pride wounded by Trudeau and by European leaders. He knows they're laughing at him, and he's seeking revenge using the power of the presidency to do it.

He doesn't care what that personal vendetta does to the country. He only cares about getting back at people who mock him and do not give him the "respect" he thinks he deserves.

Attilatheblond

(5,384 posts)
50. Yes, but also lashing out at ALL Americans because he was voted out in 2020 & nobody fell for his 'stolen' lies
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 11:56 PM
2 hrs ago

And he HAS to punish us. But no punishment feels like enough to assuage his fury so he keeps upping the damage he does in the useless attempt to make himself feel better.

He IS the biggest threat to this country, and possibly the world. Nothing, like his niece points out, is ever enough. Seems like Elon has the same malady.

Grins

(8,116 posts)
30. Yes, to all of this. But he still has 4 years to create havoc...
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 05:27 PM
8 hrs ago

…on the world.

Impeachment? OK. But then you have Pres. Vance.

What is needed is nut-crushing victories in the mid-terms!
60 D Senators.
260 D’s in the House.

elocs

(23,571 posts)
44. I've heard that Vance is worse than Trump with the advantage of being sane.
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 09:28 PM
4 hrs ago

Vance is an opportunist, a never-trumper when he thought Hillary would and a Trump suck-up when he thought that's where his path to the White House laid.
I saw Trump in an interview when asked if he wanted Vance to be his successor and he said no, probably because Trump has no intention of leaving. I wonder what Vance thinks of this and how it impacts his plans for the future?

LisaM

(29,034 posts)
52. But Vance is so unpleasant.
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 01:09 AM
55 min ago

I don't think he has the personality to push anything through if he succeeded. He would be a do-nothing, which would be a step up, of course.

He also doesn't really have any convictions. He talks as if he's on a high school debate team.

Playingmantis

(364 posts)
31. Oh! i am so sick of this winning!!
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 05:33 PM
8 hrs ago

God sent Trump to rule America! ( He ran out of locust and other plagues!)

relayerbob

(7,116 posts)
32. I've seen prices on a number of items jump 10%-15% in the last week
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 05:34 PM
8 hrs ago

Items that the right wingers will notice, like guns.

GaYellowDawg

(4,935 posts)
46. ALWAYS.
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 10:00 PM
4 hrs ago

Fox News and their churches will tell them it's the Democrats' fault, and that will literally become gospel for them.

Exp

(189 posts)
36. Exactly. We should NOT have a shutdown, just give the Pukes enough rope to hang themselves. nt
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 06:45 PM
7 hrs ago

vapor2

(1,881 posts)
47. HEARD the pros and cons of the CR
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 10:00 PM
4 hrs ago

but I agree, let repugs hang themselves. Just heard Rachel say that 2 different judges have issued federal worker reinstatements!

slightlv

(5,093 posts)
38. I understand what trump, musk, and the rest of the repubs are
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 08:17 PM
5 hrs ago

trying to do, and their reasons for it. Doesn't make it right. Since FDR, the republicans have desperately tried to jury-rig the United States into a republican conservative country. People rightly don't want that. (Well, except for the 1/3 who will agree with trump no matter what he says or does.) In the time of Reagan, the only person to even come close to achieving it was Margaret Thatcher. Years and years after her dismissal, the British have continued to elect people in the form of Thatcher, who carried on her economic and political ideals. Where did these ideals come from that she held on to so firmly? Reagan and the Republicans of the 1980's, who were only carrying on those from the 1940's and onward. Tear down every functional government department that actually helps the people of the country. Add back in only those departments which fit the "emperor's" ideals, and stack those departments only with those who agree 100% with your ideology and will give their lives to protect you and your ideology.

The republicans tried this in Iraq. Remember how they dismissed all government departments, fired everyone, and then tried to build it back, little bit by little bit? Douglas Feith was a huge supporter of this, him and Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney. Remember the pallots of money that went missing? It goes to show it doesn't work to kill one government form and replace it with another, favored one. We have had our fingers in a lot of regime changes around the world... most of them to the detriment of the country in which we meddled. But nothing like this (that I know of) had been tried until Iraq. This was all suppose to make the Iraqi's completely dependent upon and favorable towards their new American governors. But you know what happens when you try to "tame" and make docile all the people? The majority will revolt and turn against you... violently. It happened in Iraq, and it WILL happen here in the United States. In fact, if trump had one functioning brain cell (he doesn't), he'd get the hell out of the country to someplace he couldn't be touched. Think Islamist fatwas are bad? Try an aggrieved American with nothing left to lose! THIS is what's headed for trump and musk and the rest of them. Only, it doesn't happen overnight. And it needs a catalyzing event to get everyone under the same banner. trump can throw every 1%'er he wants at us, and we'll tar and feather them. Turn the proud boys and oath keepers on us, and see them get shot up more than they could ever wish to place whack-a-lib.

To a conservative, Conservatism can never fail. It is a religion to them. Conservatism can only BE failed by people, and so they keep replacing individuals with those they think will carry on the sermon better. But I have news for them. People, no matter who they are, WANT to be FREE. And they won't long live under captivity if they do something about it. We, as a people, have been coddled too long. We don't do big demonstrations and strikes like the french or the English. We don't rail against the government by going in, en masse, and dragging them out of their chambers onto the front yard of the White House. At least, we haven't until now. I'm not going to make any promises for the foreseeable future.

This is just my opinion, having lived upon this earth for 69 years, watching and taking note of events that have transpired in the past. You can always find the future from elements of the past. Even watching trump, now, you can see how the 1920's and 30's have influenced him in his way of thinking how things should be. Give him the Roaring 20's, or watch what you have disappear. He's perfectly suited for the gilded age, given that he likes to gild everything he has in gold. Just like they did before the Great Depression. Trump is our Herbert Hoover. WHO will be our FDR?

mdbl

(5,908 posts)
39. Republicans have Stockholm Syndrome
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 08:36 PM
5 hrs ago

nothing seems to get through those magat thick skulls.

elocs

(23,571 posts)
41. All of which is why since millions of Republicans will be hurt, another election cant be allowed.
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 09:07 PM
4 hrs ago

I don't anticipate a midterm election in '26 or a general in '28 if Trump and Musk can stop them.
Good luck to all because we will need it. As an old fart who depends solely on SS I hope I can survive its loss and find a job if I can. Homelessness looms as well.

luvallpeeps

(1,168 posts)
48. Our allies are responding the way they need to.
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 10:09 PM
3 hrs ago

It reminds me of chemotherapy. It will damage us, maybe destroy us, but they have to try and kill the cancer.

OAITW r.2.0

(29,567 posts)
51. His tariffs are stupid.
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 12:17 AM
1 hr ago

We don't have labor capacity to produce basic structural metals in the USA. And that will get worse as we throw more people out of this country. So, everything will get more expensive because we'll still have to import if we want to survive economically. Except it's the American consumer that will pay. Bigly.

ZRB

(436 posts)
55. How exactly will the 50 states each have their elections stopped?
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 01:27 AM
37 min ago

Troops will storm the drop boxes in CA? People gunned down in line on election day in PA? What exactly is the election cancelling method that is going to be deployed?

EnergizedLib

(2,385 posts)
54. What *should* hit them
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 01:23 AM
42 min ago

Every time I have reason for hope, I scratch my head, and our inability to pounce on their mistakes and misfirings isn’t giving me much optimism.

Unless my memory is getting worse, I don’t remember us rolling over and playing dead from 2017-2021. I don’t remember us playing dead in 2022 when we had the best midterm for a party in power in 20 years.

We have to message they own this, they are responsible for dissipating 401ks, for weakening of the environment, for the weakening of consumer protection, for alienating allies, siding with dictators, making our alliances, thus us, less safe in return.

We cannot assume people will simply wake up to the destruction being done all around us. We have to effectively sound the alarms on it, too.

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