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LetMyPeopleVote

(159,706 posts)
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 04:25 PM 9 hrs ago

'I'm getting mad': Judge reams Trump lawyers and threatens mass rehiring over 'sham' docs

You do not lie or try to mislead a federal judge. This judge is pissed
https://bsky.app/profile/dwilliams1210.bsky.social/post/3lkbl2qvhk22i



https://www.rawstory.com/william-alsup-trump-lawyers/

U.S. District Court Judge William Alsup blasted attorneys for the Trump administration after he said he suspected they were lying and giving him "sham" documents.

At a hearing on Thursday, Alsup became angry after acting Office of Personnel Management (OPM) Director Charles Ezell refused an order to testify on the Trump administration's mass firings. The case was brought in February by the American Federation of Government Employees.

"You will not bring the people in here to be cross-examined. You're afraid to do so because you know cross-examination would reveal the truth," the judge told government lawyers, according to Slate's Mark Joseph Stern.

"I tend to doubt that you're telling me the truth whenever we hear all the evidence eventually. Why can't you bring your people in to be cross-examined or deposed at their convenience?" he continued. "I said two hours for Mr. Ezell. A deposition at his convenience. And you withdrew his declaration rather than do that? Come on. That's a sham. It upsets me, I want you to know that."

"I've been practicing in this court for over 50 years and I know how we get at the truth. And you're not helping me get at the truth. You're giving me press releases, sham documents. I'm getting mad."

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'I'm getting mad': Judge reams Trump lawyers and threatens mass rehiring over 'sham' docs (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote 9 hrs ago OP
A trump lawyer lying? BOSSHOG 9 hrs ago #1
I'm shocked. progressoid 8 hrs ago #5
This judge was pissed LetMyPeopleVote 9 hrs ago #2
I have been praying for karma vapor2 9 hrs ago #3
More of THIS please! ...and more REPORTING on it!!!! FirstLight 9 hrs ago #4
Let me switch to CNN and see if this is the top story. LisaM 8 hrs ago #9
yep! not surprising... :( FirstLight 7 hrs ago #11
I guess we can add "I'm getting mad" to the long list of meaningless judicial utterances. PSPS 8 hrs ago #6
Agreed. Who is actually empowered to enforce a punishment - a fine, a censure, imprisonment, etc.? TheRickles 8 hrs ago #7
US Marshals. That's their job. paleotn 7 hrs ago #14
Where's Howard Beale when you NEED him... BattleRow 7 hrs ago #12
And Abbie Hoffman ewcordon 6 hrs ago #18
Saddle up and head them off at the pass! Or better yet incarcerate them for contempt. Ford_Prefect 8 hrs ago #8
In an update Figarosmom 8 hrs ago #10
when are we going to see some of these people in jail!!!!!!??????? AllaN01Bear 7 hrs ago #13
Going to be a while, unfortunately. paleotn 7 hrs ago #15
Yup republianmushroom 6 hrs ago #19
Okay, judgy mcjudge, forget about AG legally blonde Bondi -- just double down on the scapegoat blame game. ancianita 5 hrs ago #23
These are not criminal cases. These are cases of fighting executive orders or a president's allowing a third party ancianita 7 hrs ago #16
So what sort(s) of penalty would be appropriate here? TheRickles 5 hrs ago #21
What sorts of penalties depends on the laws being broken. Examine these cases so you can determine them. ancianita 5 hrs ago #22
49 months and counting republianmushroom 7 hrs ago #17
The Judge was not pleased telling Trump admin lawyers and accused them of hiding the truth LetMyPeopleVote 6 hrs ago #20

FirstLight

(14,719 posts)
4. More of THIS please! ...and more REPORTING on it!!!!
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 04:58 PM
9 hrs ago

With us feeling *so* overwhelmed and overpowered as a people, we need to hear and see more of those who are doing the hard work of calling out for TRUTH...!!

LisaM

(29,034 posts)
9. Let me switch to CNN and see if this is the top story.
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 06:11 PM
8 hrs ago

Nope. It's Jake Tapper bothering AOC and blaming Democrats for everything.

PSPS

(14,360 posts)
6. I guess we can add "I'm getting mad" to the long list of meaningless judicial utterances.
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 05:42 PM
8 hrs ago

Wake me when anyone is actually held to account for their malfeasance.

TheRickles

(2,623 posts)
7. Agreed. Who is actually empowered to enforce a punishment - a fine, a censure, imprisonment, etc.?
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 05:47 PM
8 hrs ago

It seems like these legal processes can go on forever, and no one is ever actually punished in any concrete or tangible way.

BattleRow

(1,457 posts)
12. Where's Howard Beale when you NEED him...
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 06:37 PM
7 hrs ago

"Im mad as hell and I'm not taking it anymore!"

ancianita

(39,955 posts)
23. Okay, judgy mcjudge, forget about AG legally blonde Bondi -- just double down on the scapegoat blame game.
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 09:06 PM
5 hrs ago

ancianita

(39,955 posts)
16. These are not criminal cases. These are cases of fighting executive orders or a president's allowing a third party
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 07:10 PM
7 hrs ago

to examine the government's "waste and inefficiency" through DOGE.

ancianita

(39,955 posts)
22. What sorts of penalties depends on the laws being broken. Examine these cases so you can determine them.
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 09:03 PM
5 hrs ago

Neither of us are lawyers, so we'd have to spend a lot of time looking up the case law made by the 121 cases of plaintiffs, but they revolve around constitutional amendments being broken.
https://www.justsecurity.org/107087/tracker-litigation-legal-challenges-trump-administration/


I've already written an OP on the cases being litigated so far. https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220130096#post10

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