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Alhena

(3,065 posts)
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 09:38 PM 21 hrs ago

Schumer just wrote a NY Times opinion piece explaining his actions - link

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/13/opinion/trump-musk-shutdown-senate.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

Over the past two months, the United States has confronted a bitter truth: The federal government has been taken over by a nihilist.

President Trump has taken a blowtorch to our country and wielded chaos like a weapon. Most Republicans in Congress, meanwhile, have caved to his every whim. The Grand Old Party has devolved into a crowd of Trump sycophants and MAGA radicals who seem to want to burn everything to the ground.

Now, Republicans’ nihilism has brought us to a new brink of disaster: Unless Congress acts, the federal government will shut down Friday at midnight.

As I have said many times, there are no winners in a government shutdown. But there are certainly victims: the most vulnerable Americans, those who rely on federal programs to feed their families, get medical care and stay financially afloat. Communities that depend on government services to function will suffer.

This week Democrats offered a way out: Fund the government for another month to give appropriators more time to do their jobs. Republicans rejected this proposal.

Why? Because Mr. Trump doesn’t want the appropriators to do their job. He wants full control over government spending.

He isn’t the first president to want this, but he may be the first president since Andrew Jackson to successfully cow his party into submission. That leads Democrats to a difficult decision: Either proceed with the bill before us or risk Mr. Trump throwing America into the chaos of a shutdown.

This, in my view, is no choice at all.

For sure, the Republican bill is a terrible option. It is deeply partisan. It doesn’t address this country’s needs. But even if the White House says differently, Mr. Trump and Elon Musk want a shutdown. We should not give them one. The risk of allowing the president to take even more power via a government shutdown is a much worse path.

To be clear: No one on my side of the aisle wants a government shutdown. Members who support this continuing resolution do not want that. Members who oppose it do not want that.

Members who oppose this resolution want the Republicans to take their responsibilities more seriously and to negotiate spending bills that will address the many needs of the American people.

I respect my fellow Democrats for that. Unfortunately, this Republican Party is the party of Trump.

As bad as passing the continuing resolution would be, I believe a government shutdown is far worse.

First, a shutdown would give Mr. Trump and Mr. Musk permission to destroy vital government services at a significantly faster rate than they can right now. Under a shutdown, the Trump administration would have wide-ranging authority to deem whole agencies, programs and personnel nonessential, furloughing staff members with no promise they would ever be rehired.

The decisions about what is essential would, in practice, be largely up to the executive branch, with few left at agencies to check it.

Mr. Musk has reportedly said that he wants a shutdown and may already be planning how to use one to his advantage.

Second, if we enter a shutdown, congressional Republicans could weaponize their majorities to cherry-pick which parts of government to reopen.

In a protracted shutdown, House and Senate Republicans could bring bills to the floor to reopen only their favored departments and agencies while leaving other vital services that they don’t like to languish.

Third, shutdowns mean real pain for American families.

For example, a shutdown could cause regional Veterans Affairs offices to reduce even more of their staffs, further delay benefits processing and curtail mental health services — abandoning veterans who earned, and depend on, those resources.

A shutdown could continue to slash the administrative staffs at Social Security offices — delaying applications and benefit adjustments and forcing seniors to wait even longer for their benefits.

A shutdown could further stall federal court cases and furlough critical staff members — denying victims and defendants alike their day in court, dragging out appeals and clogging the justice system for months or years.

Finally, a shutdown would be the best distraction Donald Trump could ask for from his awful agenda.

Right now, Mr. Trump owns the chaos in the government. He owns the chaos in the stock market. He owns the damage happening to our economy. The stock market is falling, and consumer confidence is plummeting.

In a shutdown, we would be busy fighting with Republicans over which agencies to reopen and which to keep closed instead of debating the damage Mr. Trump’s agenda is causing.

I believe it is my job to make the best choice for the country, to minimize the harms to the American people. Therefore, I will vote to keep the government open.
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Schumer just wrote a NY Times opinion piece explaining his actions - link (Original Post) Alhena 21 hrs ago OP
WHAT?!?! InAbLuEsTaTe 21 hrs ago #1
If that were the case, Republicans would have shut the government down weeks ago to activate emperor mode. TheBlackAdder 16 hrs ago #32
This message was self-deleted by its author InAbLuEsTaTe 21 hrs ago #2
Thanks. I see an reference to another story about Benzodiazepine risks got inadvertently pasted in, but I think that JohnSJ 21 hrs ago #3
Sometimes, you just don't have the cards and have to fold. surfered 21 hrs ago #4
You don't always have to tell remind everyone you still showed up at the card game. mr715 21 hrs ago #6
They had the cards. Big Blue Marble 21 hrs ago #10
Quinipac: most would blame Trump/MAGA for shut down uponit7771 9 hrs ago #36
Ah, so we should do... uh... something. mr715 21 hrs ago #5
"Just wrote" Docreed2003 21 hrs ago #7
EXACTLY Skittles 20 hrs ago #20
Despite his claims to the contrary today Docreed2003 20 hrs ago #22
Time to let the GOP cultists twist in the wind. TheCowsCameHome 21 hrs ago #8
Cave in? Emile 21 hrs ago #9
"To be clear: No one on my side of the aisle wants a government shutdown" tman 21 hrs ago #11
There is logic. DemocratSinceBirth 21 hrs ago #12
Think latter part of that is most important, beginning with "Musk has reported said that he wants a shutdown . . . ." Silent Type 21 hrs ago #13
I bet my golf clubs Chuck didn't write that gab13by13 21 hrs ago #14
And he sure as hell didn't write this moments after he flipped to support this mess Docreed2003 20 hrs ago #23
Thank you for mzmolly 21 hrs ago #15
... orangecrush 21 hrs ago #16
As repugs 'cow' to the Pisswig dweller 20 hrs ago #18
It's like the Jazz Odyssey scene in Spinal Tap. BannonsLiver 21 hrs ago #17
Is this a reversal from he said just yesterday? MichMan 20 hrs ago #19
While my posts get deleted and my job gone soon enough , that useless bag of shit gets to Carlitos Brigante 20 hrs ago #21
"Third, shutdowns mean real pain for American families" DSandra 20 hrs ago #24
FU Schmucky Chucky Hassler 19 hrs ago #25
But Trump blowtorch is not going away kansasobama 18 hrs ago #26
Pain of shutdowns is nothing compared to Nazism kansasobama 18 hrs ago #27
trump is going to destroy the country no matter what. kacekwl 18 hrs ago #28
It's all Chuck's fault that Republicans are going to fuck us over. OAITW r.2.0 18 hrs ago #29
You're optimistic to think we will still be having elections in 2028 to primary Schumar. elocs 9 hrs ago #35
And you will own it with him Mountainguy 18 hrs ago #30
Writing a NYT editorial speaks volumes to me. Raven123 17 hrs ago #31
No kidding. Hanzzy72 15 hrs ago #33
Clearly, Trump & Musk want a shutdown that will give them powers to finish their evil work. elocs 10 hrs ago #34
Quinipac: most would blame Trump/MAGA for shut down uponit7771 9 hrs ago #37

TheBlackAdder

(29,363 posts)
32. If that were the case, Republicans would have shut the government down weeks ago to activate emperor mode.
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 02:36 AM
16 hrs ago

While Schumer makes sound points, if a shutdown would do all that, the Republicans would shut this shit down tomorrow.

Trump would have worked it out with his party to do so.

That's why something seems fugazi.

Response to Alhena (Original post)

JohnSJ

(98,069 posts)
3. Thanks. I see an reference to another story about Benzodiazepine risks got inadvertently pasted in, but I think that
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 09:42 PM
21 hrs ago

that is very appropriate for the times we are in.





mr715

(1,538 posts)
6. You don't always have to tell remind everyone you still showed up at the card game.
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 09:44 PM
21 hrs ago

mr715

(1,538 posts)
5. Ah, so we should do... uh... something.
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 09:43 PM
21 hrs ago

Maybe, like, something?


Anything?


Anything?


Maybe shake up leadership a little. If for no other reason that to acknowledge the love affair of the American public has for democrats in Congress has, shall we say, cooled?

Docreed2003

(18,104 posts)
7. "Just wrote"
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 09:44 PM
21 hrs ago

In other words, he planned to vote for this and orchestrated a response...ok

Docreed2003

(18,104 posts)
22. Despite his claims to the contrary today
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 10:28 PM
20 hrs ago

This type of political gamesmanship is infuriating.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,234 posts)
8. Time to let the GOP cultists twist in the wind.
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 09:45 PM
21 hrs ago

They have the House, Senate, and White House and they shit all over Democrats at every turn.

Let it go for once, Chuck. Don't bail them out this time. They'll only twist the knife in our backs again.

tman

(1,163 posts)
11. "To be clear: No one on my side of the aisle wants a government shutdown"
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 09:49 PM
21 hrs ago

Something Republicans know all too well.

smh

Silent Type

(8,646 posts)
13. Think latter part of that is most important, beginning with "Musk has reported said that he wants a shutdown . . . ."
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 09:52 PM
21 hrs ago

Thanks for posting this article. Hope someone reads it.

Carlitos Brigante

(26,804 posts)
21. While my posts get deleted and my job gone soon enough , that useless bag of shit gets to
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 10:17 PM
20 hrs ago

pretend the fascists just had to get their way. Or else our so called free press would just be "so mean" to him.

DSandra

(1,532 posts)
24. "Third, shutdowns mean real pain for American families"
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 10:33 PM
20 hrs ago

You know what’s painful? Your entire country in ruins, being destitute with nothing but despair and misery in your future, no country left while the billionaires carve up your country and make monarchical network states with nothing but miserable slavery for the future of most Americans.

kansasobama

(1,688 posts)
26. But Trump blowtorch is not going away
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 12:04 AM
18 hrs ago

Problem is, Schumer still thinks democracy exists. Rules don't apply now

kacekwl

(8,031 posts)
28. trump is going to destroy the country no matter what.
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 12:07 AM
18 hrs ago

Democrats need to vote no and take a stand against this. He's going to go to the breaking point where people will have to stop him, one way or another. The pain, hardship, uncertainty, are quickly going to be challenged by the American people who will find a way to stop it. There are plenty of democrats who can explain their position and explain who is responsible. He's going to blame democrats whatever way it goes.

OAITW r.2.0

(29,567 posts)
29. It's all Chuck's fault that Republicans are going to fuck us over.
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 12:09 AM
18 hrs ago

Let's focus on primarying Chuck.

elocs

(23,589 posts)
35. You're optimistic to think we will still be having elections in 2028 to primary Schumar.
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 09:24 AM
9 hrs ago

We would be fortunate to have free, fair, and unrigged elections in '16 since Musk succeeded in cheating for Trump in the swing states in '24.

Mountainguy

(1,549 posts)
30. And you will own it with him
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 12:58 AM
18 hrs ago

when you vote for the Republican budget.



"We offered to keep the government open for a month but they said no.....so we just did what they wanted instead."



Schumer isn't built for this fight. He needs to resign and hand over leadership to someone who is.

Raven123

(6,474 posts)
31. Writing a NYT editorial speaks volumes to me.
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 01:15 AM
17 hrs ago

While Bernie is out there meeting the people, Chuck is writing an editorial. To be clear, I don’t expect the Minority Leader to be having rallies and town halls as often as another senator, given his responsibilities. But can you really reach the majority of Dem voters through an opinion piece in the NYT? I just don’t think Chuck is meeting the Democrats where they are. He is not rhetorically gifted. He is not a good communicator on social media. I think he is not the right person for this moment.

Hanzzy72

(58 posts)
33. No kidding.
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 03:57 AM
15 hrs ago

Trying to explain away his capitulation through an op-ed that is behind a paywall has got to be the most out of touch thing I have ever seen. I think it's time for a change in leadership.

elocs

(23,589 posts)
34. Clearly, Trump & Musk want a shutdown that will give them powers to finish their evil work.
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 08:13 AM
10 hrs ago

"A shutdown would give Mr. Trump and Mr. Musk permission to destroy vital government services at a significantly faster rate than they can right now. Under a shutdown, the Trump administration would have wide-ranging authority to deem whole agencies, programs and personnel nonessential, furloughing staff members with no promise they would ever be rehired."

There's no good choice here, just one between bad and horrible.

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