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Peacetrain

(23,803 posts)
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 07:16 PM Friday

I have thought about this vote today.. all day... and have come to the conclusion

that our people are doing the best they can .. they are making the best decisions they can with the information they have at hand. You do the best you can with the information you have.

That is why purposefully lying about something to influence others is so damned wrong. Ahem Donald Trump

So I am cutting all the Democrats in the Senate a ton of slack. They are looking at things from different angles, and have done what they think is right from the point of view they are looking at it.

Dear Democrats .. I have your backs one and all..

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Irish_Dem

(65,861 posts)
1. Their best is not good enough to win the war being waged against us.
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 07:21 PM
Friday

The PutinGOP will destroy our country if we do not do better.

This is the greatest threat to our country since WWII.
And we are losing the battle.

Peacetrain

(23,803 posts)
4. Irish we will not lose this battle... but it is not going to be easy
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 07:24 PM
Friday

there will be a ton of bumps in the road as we rebuild. I feel that from my very core.

Irish_Dem

(65,861 posts)
7. I hope that you are right.
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 07:28 PM
Friday

There is no data to support your gut feeling.

But it is possible that eventually the US will return to a democracy at some point.
I do not know how long it will take, and how much damage will be done.

I do know that to win the war being waged against us, we are going to
have to fight back, and fight back hard.

allegorical oracle

(4,316 posts)
11. Have been encouraged by the blow-back I'm seeing at town halls, the Kennedy Center, gathering
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 07:42 PM
Friday

crowds in many cities around the country. My hope is that we can edge djt into a vicious cycle: the more that citizens feel the pinch (loss of jobs, loss of federal personnel and services, losses of benefits, rising pollution, loss of weather reports, closed national parks...) the angrier they will become. That may prompt djt to clamp down harder and public outrage to increase -- or djt will back down.

You're the psychiatric expert -- what do you think he would do?

Irish_Dem

(65,861 posts)
12. Seems unlikely Trump will back down.
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 07:46 PM
Friday

He may make a pretense of doing so perhaps.
But it won't be real.

He is a vicious, ruthless psychopath.

The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.
His history is to hit back ten times harder when he is hit.

Bettie

(17,978 posts)
15. I fear that we lost it today
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 08:03 PM
Friday

Trump/Musk have been given the power of the purse. They can do whatever the please now and no one and nothing will stop them.

a kennedy

(33,017 posts)
17. So sorry the fixer of texts.....just posted Irish, which wasn't want you wanted.....
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 08:08 PM
Friday

But it IS St Patrick’s Day in two days. ☘️ 🍀 ☘️ 🍀 ☘️ 🍀 ☘️ 🍀 ☘️ 🍀 🥰

bucolic_frolic

(49,205 posts)
3. Admirable. We elected them to make decisions for us. They have more info than we do.
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 07:23 PM
Friday

And they have to live with it in a different way than us.

MadameButterfly

(2,666 posts)
13. I suspect they wanted to get those ammendments on record with
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 07:50 PM
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Republicans voting against them. These are ammendments probably 90% of voters agree with.
I also suspect they played out the chess game in their heads and thought they weren't going to do better with the budget in the end.

I'm not saying I agree about the budget, but what do I know? I just don't think this is a matter of no fire in their belly but differences of opinion in strategy. i had heard that they have been working hard on everything that goes through Congress to make Republicans vote against ammendments that will be damning in an election.

This is how Lincoln won the presidency: he made Douglas say things in a Senate campaign (which Douglas won) that hurt him in the national election.

The problem here is, do we have an electorate who will pay enough attention, will fake media drown the real issues out, and will there actually be another election in 2 years? These are uncharted territories, and who knows what will turn things around.

So far they are losing in court, fired employees are returning, Elon is becoming the most hated man in the world, the stock market is tanking, and it may all come down to Amy Conan Barrett, John Roberts, and the military.

Just as Elon tries to convince us SS isn't worth saving, we have to convince our soldiers that Canada, DOGE, and Trump's illegal orders aren't worth fighting for.

Bettie

(17,978 posts)
16. For most of them
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 08:04 PM
Friday

the live with the knowledge that they are wealthy enough to get out of the country should it become necessary.

Duncan Grant

(8,645 posts)
6. The frog said, "The water's not hot yet."
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 07:25 PM
Friday

I don’t think of our representatives as generously as others do. Historically, we’re repeating mistakes — and the outlook is — very hot water.

MadameButterfly

(2,666 posts)
10. Actually, frogs remaining as the water gets hotter is not a thing
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 07:36 PM
Friday

They are sensitive to temperature change and will jump out as the heat rises.

One can only hope it proves the same with our representatives.

Quiet Em

(1,673 posts)
9. It was Leon, the con and the spineless Republicans who put us in this prediciment.
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 07:33 PM
Friday

And most of the public is accutely aware of that.

I do understand there were no good options involved. I disagree on giving up what little leverage we had. I disagree that the option chosen lessons the threat. I do not believe it does at all. But at the end of the day, yes, the Democrats are not being malicious like the Republicans. They are doing what they believe is best. The entire con admin is atrocious and not normal.

mr715

(1,564 posts)
14. So participation trophies?
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 07:52 PM
Friday

If this is the "best" then they need to damn well stop asking me more money.

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