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Dennis Donovan

(29,949 posts)
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 07:55 AM Yesterday

NYT: I Study Measles. I'm Terrified We're Headed for an Epidemic.

NYT - I Study Measles. I’m Terrified We’re Headed for an Epidemic. (Gift link)

April 2, 2025, 5:04 a.m. ET

By Michael Mina
Dr. Mina is an epidemiologist and immunologist who has studied measles.

We used to think of measles outbreaks in the United States as isolated events: short-lived and confined to close-knit communities with low vaccination rates. A flare here, a bubble there. But as those bubbles grow and converge, the United States could be at risk for tens of thousands of cases.

Measles was declared eliminated in this country in 2000. That didn’t mean the virus disappeared. It meant we stopped it from spreading freely. It was a hard-won public health triumph made possible by decades of vaccination. But that protection is now unraveling.

Vaccine skepticism has become increasingly mainstream, amplified by pandemic-era backlash, a torrent of online misinformation and support from the new health and human services secretary, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who has been at the center of vaccine misinformation for over a decade. A growing outbreak in Texas, and cases in over a dozen states, shows how fragile our defenses have become.

Measles is among the most contagious viruses known. A single case can cause dozens more in places where people are unvaccinated. Infants too young for vaccination, immune-compromised people and the elderly are all at risk. Measles isn’t just a fever and rash. It can cause pneumonia, brain inflammation, permanent disability and death. The virus can go dormant in the body only to re-emerge a decade or so after infection and cause rapid and fatal brain tissue deterioration.

It also has a more insidious legacy, one I helped discover. In 2015, I led a team that found that measles can erase the immune system’s protective memory of prior infections. This “immune amnesia,” as it’s called, leaves people vulnerable to viruses and bacteria they were once protected against. In a follow-up study in 2019, we found measles can wipe out up to 70 percent of an individual’s protective immune memory.

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NYT: I Study Measles. I'm Terrified We're Headed for an Epidemic. (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Yesterday OP
It has already spread everywhere mostly from Texas probably. Meowmee Yesterday #1
👍👍 ashredux Yesterday #14
Does this mran that even though you had BonnieJW Yesterday #19
According to the article, if you've had measles or were vaccinated..... SergeStorms Yesterday #30
Yeah, I'm 65 and got tested a couple weeks ago for measles immunity Wednesdays Yesterday #41
Good for you. SergeStorms 23 hrs ago #56
Thanks for the tip. Prof. Toru Tanaka Yesterday #43
You're not the only one masking up, Professor. SergeStorms 23 hrs ago #57
Since I was vaccinated against measles during a time phylny Yesterday #39
Wonderful! SergeStorms 23 hrs ago #59
It depends on which virus you are talking about Meowmee Yesterday #51
Great information. SergeStorms 23 hrs ago #61
The biggest Ohio cluster was from international travel. n/t Ms. Toad Yesterday #46
"Immunity amnesia" is the most dire aspect in my opinion. Hugin Yesterday #2
Some of the anti vax loons believe having measles helps overall immunity Meowmee Yesterday #6
Yes, that's definitely the scary part of it. lastlib Yesterday #29
So they can point at their now-deaf kid and crow about lack of autism? travelingthrulife Yesterday #37
That's a measles consequence that I haven't noticed many people pointing out lately. wnylib Yesterday #48
"Fugg facts. We is royal republicons.. Bow down to our BS." - King Krasnov (R-Felon) BoRaGard Yesterday #3
Thanks for this OP, it's vital information I've not read elsewhere bucolic_frolic Yesterday #4
Me, either. Good info. wordstroken Yesterday #15
Dozens of free measles vaccine clinics close in Texas as federal funding is cut Swede Yesterday #5
First case in 12 years in my county Johnny2X2X Yesterday #7
The Trump Gestapo will handle it. twodogsbarking Yesterday #8
GOP death camps..... SergeStorms Yesterday #31
Cases now and spreading in Erie, Pa. orangecrush Yesterday #9
GAMA 70sEraVet Yesterday #10
Wait till the mumps and german measles mgardener Yesterday #11
Why aren't our elected Democrats raising hell over this issue? Midnight Writer Yesterday #12
Would it do any good? SergeStorms Yesterday #32
Just take vitamins and stay away from WIFI progressoid Yesterday #13
Wow, what does WIFI supposedly do? tanyev Yesterday #44
It produces a *GASP* electromagnetic field . . . . . hatrack Yesterday #47
Better stay out of every single business office, retail space and most people's homes, then. tanyev Yesterday #49
My Dad is a retired science teacher. progressoid Yesterday #55
Well you need to do some ReSuRcH!!11! progressoid Yesterday #54
(Encephalitis) Would love to see a study of correlation (if exists) of measles infection antibodies w red v blue Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #16
I believe there is a way to PoindexterOglethorpe Yesterday #18
At least measles is something you can protect yourself from (assuming you are not LisaL Yesterday #17
Everyone needs to read the book "Booster Shots" PoindexterOglethorpe Yesterday #20
Scary stuff. 58Sunliner Yesterday #21
It's gonna get worse before it gets worse. n/t SpankMe Yesterday #22
and the related health agencies cant communicate with each other and the outside world . hem AllaN01Bear Yesterday #23
Hopefully the media will have permission to report about it. Emile Yesterday #24
Permission denied. SergeStorms Yesterday #33
I fear it's not that far away. Emile Yesterday #34
So they'll get covid, chicken pox, etc again with no previous exposure response JT45242 Yesterday #25
That sounds ridiculous Danascot Yesterday #27
This is what rfkjr wants. Irish_Dem Yesterday #26
What Putin wants Sanity Claws Yesterday #28
Putin can kill and injure Americans, make them suffer. Irish_Dem Yesterday #42
White Guy Syndrome ananda Yesterday #35
This anti vaccine crap is part of a massive Russian* misinformation campaign. Botany Yesterday #36
I just rewatched part of the confirmation hearing for moniss Yesterday #38
It looks like we are back to the era of woman having a dozen children and losing Linda ladeewolf Yesterday #40
I'm not "terrified." I *know* we're headed for an epidemic. malthaussen Yesterday #45
Born in 57 VGNonly Yesterday #50
Same here, but 58 for me Tickle 23 hrs ago #60
Message auto-removed Name removed Yesterday #52
This administration needs a one way trip to Mars on a Space X rocket now. Initech Yesterday #53
As long as you, children are Tickle 23 hrs ago #58

Meowmee

(8,200 posts)
1. It has already spread everywhere mostly from Texas probably.
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 07:57 AM
Yesterday

Get your mmr booster and boosters for all childhood vaccines. I did already.

BonnieJW

(2,838 posts)
19. Does this mran that even though you had
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 09:27 AM
Yesterday

All those illnesses as a kid, you can get them again?

SergeStorms

(19,538 posts)
30. According to the article, if you've had measles or were vaccinated.....
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 10:16 AM
Yesterday

earlier in life you should be protected. If you're unsure of your level of immunity, a simple antibody test can be performed by any Healthcare laboratory to see if you're still protected.

I hope that helps.

Wednesdays

(20,448 posts)
41. Yeah, I'm 65 and got tested a couple weeks ago for measles immunity
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 11:12 AM
Yesterday

Turns out I was okay for measles and rubella, but deficient for mumps. So I'll be getting the MMR booster anyway.

Prof. Toru Tanaka

(2,527 posts)
43. Thanks for the tip.
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 12:30 PM
Yesterday

When I see my GP for my next A1C checkup, I will be sure to ask about this.

I still mask when I am out in public places.

phylny

(8,719 posts)
39. Since I was vaccinated against measles during a time
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 10:53 AM
Yesterday

when they are not really sure if the vaccination that I received was enough, I just had my titers tested for measles, mumps, and rubella. I did have the mumps with my brother, and although he had the measles, that was before I was born. I also recall being vaccinated against rubella or German measles, when I was a preteen. It turns out that all of my immunity is extremely strong. I was born in 1958.

Meowmee

(8,200 posts)
51. It depends on which virus you are talking about
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 05:16 PM
Yesterday

Last edited Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:46 PM - Edit history (4)

Generally, if you have measles as a child that will give you life long immunity to it. However in the case of measles it damages your overall immunity and causes something called immune amnesia so, you are more susceptible to other infectious diseases and even other diseases in general, sometimes for many years after. If you read the statistics/articles I posted you will see that measles was and can be deadly and cause a lot of damage and it was doing that before the vaccine was developed. And still is in underdeveloped areas countries which don't have good access or high vaccination levels.

Some viruses you can get twice, I had chicken pox twice as a child. So, nothing is 100%. The thing that protects people and especially children in the case of measles and other viruses/bacteria etc. is vaccination of a large portion of the population who are able to be vaccinated. Also viruses can have different strains. You could have immunity to one and not to others. For instance you could have immunity to one strain of polio if you had it but not to others. The vaccine provides immunity to all 3 types of paralytic polio.

https://www.who.int/health-topics/poliomyelitis#tab=tab_1

You could not develop immunity properly to a virus etc. also even though you had exposure or became ill and become infected again. People's immune systems can work differently, not everyone develops the same immunity. For instance it was discovered with covid that some people who were exposed and who were ill didn't develop antibodies or didn't have them detected but they had t and b cell immunity. Covid is one of those viruses, like flu viruses, that mutates frequently and unfortunately needs many boosters because having it once will not give long term immunity. Hopefully a vaccine will be developed that will give long term immunity. At this point boosters are recommend every 6 months especially for those who are high risk.

You can be infected with wooping cough / pertussis(a bacteria) more than once. So if there is an outbreak it is recommended everyone susceptible and at risk, children and elderly should be boostered if they haven't been. The tdap is recommended every 10 years anyway, it also protects against tetanus. We have had wooping cough outbreaks in my area several times over the past few years including this year. It's important to understand that these and other outbreaks are due to non vaccination.

Rabies, maybe the deadliest virus known, also requires more than one vaccination- even if you are vaccinated as a protection for whatever reason, if you have an exposure you still need booster shots and other treatments to prevent it. There is also the probability that some people become exposed to viruses, fight it off and never have symptoms and develop antibodies and immunity. There was a study in Peru which determined some people living in an area with bats/caves who had had possible exposures but who were never vaccinated had rabies antibodies. Rabies depends on again the strain and the severity of the exposure, but it is nearly 100% fatal once cns symptoms begin. There are only 7 people world wide who are thought to have survived it once they started having cns symptoms.


Many viruses and bacterial infections have been eradicated or pretty much controlled due to vaccination, but if enough people stop getting vaccinated you can have outbreaks/epidemics, and it's also possible to be infected again if you are immune compromised and it can happen sometimes anyway, nothing is 100%. . For IPV /Polio vaccine, the recommendation in my state is if your polio vaccine was more than 10 years ago and you could be exposed you should be revaccinated, (if you have had the full series as a child then you only need one shot). Several counties in my state have detected polio virus in the water. So, with everything going on I decided to be boostered for that as well as mmr, and tdap.

Viruses/bacteria don't go away, many have been active for millions of years and they evolve. It's a matter of keeping them at bay with vaccination to protect people. In many cases vaccination has eradicated deadly viruses/diseases and now with this insanity that is all going to be destroyed.

I am going to say this here: Can you get measles or another such virus again if you had it or were vaccinated. It is unlikely but it is not impossible. You could be reinfected for whatever reasons. So the smart thing to do is to get boosters when outbreaks occur, and vaccination levels are low if it has been many years since your vaccine or infection. Actually I did it in advance for polio since I don't want to ever get polio. There is no current outbreak here etc. but levels were detected and it was recommended to booster. I had to go to my doctor to get it because the pharmacy wouldn't do that one. Part of the reason to get boosted now is so that you do it when the vaccines are available, not when their is an epidemic and there aren't enough vaccines to go around etc. This will be even more important now with the attack on the healthcare system, vaccination, science and research. We don't know what will happen.

* I wanted to add something about testing antibody levels since people mentioned that. I personally do not always trust that as a sign of good immunity. For one several dvm have told me high antibody levels does not always = good immunity. For my kitties. However cats and dogs are over vaccinated and the schedule has changed a lot except for rabies which is required yearly or you can opt for the 3 year one which is safer now. Here is an article on antibody testing and covid immunity...

What to know about antibody tests in a post-vaccine world

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/antibody-tests-post-vaccine-world/story?id=78976646#:~:text=Early%20reports%20suggested%20that%20people%20who%20tested,person%20is%20immune%20to%20contracting%20the%20virus.

Antibody tests for viruses can only confirm that you were either exposed and or vaccinated. It doesn't tell you what your actual immunity may be because that relies on other things besides antibody levels and how severe your first infection was if you were infected.
Vaccines also aren't 100%- you can have breakthrough infections, not just for covid, even if vaccinated or previously infected. However being vaccinated is always better, and you will have a much less severe infection in most cases.

So, I prefer to be boosted instead of testing antibody levels if it has been many years since my vaccine. It is also a lot cheaper and easier. I am high risk for pretty much everything, so I want as much protection as possible. I prefer the minimal risk of any vaccine to the high risk of serious contagious infections which can maim and kill me and other people. I have found numerous times in my life in many situations that when people say that can't ever happen etc. It often does sadly. Murphy's law etc. 😁

Hugin

(35,959 posts)
2. "Immunity amnesia" is the most dire aspect in my opinion.
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 07:59 AM
Yesterday

Is that the point of letting the measles spread? To go back and say, “Look, see… Vaccination doesn’t work.”

Meowmee

(8,200 posts)
6. Some of the anti vax loons believe having measles helps overall immunity
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:07 AM
Yesterday

Last edited Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:50 AM - Edit history (3)

The exact opposite of what research has shown to be true. Measles itself is also dangerous and deadly. It is one of the most highly contagious and easily transmitted viruses as well. It has a100% infectivity rate for unvaccinated people. Having measles and surviving will usually give you long term immunity to measles but it will damage your immunity to many other diseases and it is deadly in an unvaccinated population and in poorer, crowded areas especially. With children under 5 being the most susceptible. Having a severe case of the virus also opens you to many other serious complications which can kill you as well.


Here is a history before the vaccine:

https://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/history.html#:~:text=Among%20reported%20measles%20cases%20each%20year%2C%20an,1%2C000%20suffered%20encephalitis%20(swelling%20of%20the%20brain)

“Francis Home, a Scottish physician, demonstrated in 1757 that measles is caused by an infectious agent in the blood of patients.

In 1912, measles became a nationally notifiable disease in the United States, requiring U.S. healthcare providers and laboratories to report all diagnosed cases. In the first decade of reporting, an average of 6,000 measles-related deaths were reported each year.

A vaccine became available in 1963. In the decade before, nearly all children got measles by the time they were 15 years old. It is estimated 3 to 4 million people in the United States were infected each year. Among reported measles cases each year, an estimated:

400 to 500 people died
48,000 were hospitalized
1,000 suffered encephalitis (swelling of the brain)”




https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/measles-one-deadliest-and-most-contagious-infectious-diseases-and-one-most-easily

“ “You don’t count your children until the measles has passed.” Dr. Samuel Katz, one of the pioneers of the first measles vaccine in the late 1950s to early 1960s, regularly heard this tragic statement from parents in countries where the measles vaccine was not yet available, because they were so accustomed to losing their children to measles.”


Deadliness of measles:

“Before the introduction of measles vaccine in 1963 and widespread vaccination, major epidemics occurred approximately every two to three years and caused an estimated 2.6 million deaths each year.

An estimated 107 500 people died from measles in 2023 – mostly children under the age of five years, despite the availability of a safe and cost-effective vaccine.”


https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/measles#:~:text=Before%20the%20introduction%20of%20measles,500%20in%202022%20(1).

Earlier history & Mortality

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0755498222000422

“ Before the introduction of the vaccine in 1963, it was estimated that there were 30 million cases of measles each year, resulting in approximately 2 million deaths annually worldwide.”

lastlib

(25,629 posts)
29. Yes, that's definitely the scary part of it.
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 10:13 AM
Yesterday

You might be on to something there. I couldn't put it past Little Bobby to have that as part of his plan. And now he has Eloon and the Crime Minister to enable him. We are in for some terrifying times if we don't get our act together and overthrow this regime and crush its minions.

wnylib

(25,211 posts)
48. That's a measles consequence that I haven't noticed many people pointing out lately.
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 04:39 PM
Yesterday

When I was a child, back in the dark ages before vaccines for measles, chicken pox, etc., parents wanted their kids to get infected at a young age, around 5 years old, for a couple reasons. One was that some "childhood" diseases could affect fertility in people infected during their teens and as adults. Another reason was the effect of measles, particularly rubella, on the fetus if a woman got infected while pregnant. Kids who had a sibling or close friend who had measles were kept away from kids whose mothers were pregnant, unless the woman knew for certain that she had had rubella as a child and was immune.


bucolic_frolic

(49,509 posts)
4. Thanks for this OP, it's vital information I've not read elsewhere
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:05 AM
Yesterday

On my radar for action in the month of April.

Swede

(35,815 posts)
5. Dozens of free measles vaccine clinics close in Texas as federal funding is cut
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:06 AM
Yesterday

We're on a road to nowhere, and we're getting there fast.


https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143431611

Johnny2X2X

(22,621 posts)
7. First case in 12 years in my county
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:09 AM
Yesterday
https://www.woodtv.com/news/kent-county/kent-county-records-first-measles-case-in-12-years/

He was at 4 airports. This is about to get big.

And while the Measles isn't very deadly, it's still a horrible virus that leaves people scarred and facing long term health consequences.

1 in 5 people who get Measles in the US will be hospitalized.

mgardener

(1,999 posts)
11. Wait till the mumps and german measles
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:36 AM
Yesterday

Start making the rounds too.
I am old enough to remember babies horribly affected by German measles.

https://www.cdc.gov/rubella/pregnancy/index.html

Midnight Writer

(23,612 posts)
12. Why aren't our elected Democrats raising hell over this issue?
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:37 AM
Yesterday

When the epidemic, pandemic, whatever, hits us, we already know the Republicans will blame Democrats. Trump will post it, Elon will advertise it, every Republican commentator will repeat it over and over.

Why aren't we getting out in front of this? Why aren't we all over the media telling people ahead of time what is likely to happen and placing the blame squarely on RFK, Jr., his anti-vax movement, Trump/Musk policies, and the whole damn Republican Party?

When the Trump Administration has a scandal or a failure, they deny, they distract, they play it out and it goes away.

It is past time for Democrats to make some noise, make some trouble, and don't let these scandals fade away.

SergeStorms

(19,538 posts)
32. Would it do any good?
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 10:24 AM
Yesterday

We're talking about MAGAts here. They aren't going to listen to that librul properganza!

It might induce a few remaining sane people to action, so I guess it wouldn't hurt.

hatrack

(62,123 posts)
47. It produces a *GASP* electromagnetic field . . . . .
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 04:21 PM
Yesterday

Kind of like the one produced by the planet Earth, which surrounds us at all times.

Except the ones produced by electric motors, cell phones, etc., are much, much smaller . . . .

tanyev

(45,918 posts)
49. Better stay out of every single business office, retail space and most people's homes, then.
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 04:41 PM
Yesterday

progressoid

(51,185 posts)
55. My Dad is a retired science teacher.
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 05:54 PM
Yesterday

As I noted up-thread, all of us were sent a long "educational" email in an attempt to free us from the oppression of wireless radiation.

Attached to the email was a 12 page pdf, complete with links to YouTube videos that they sent to their kids' school board so they could make changes to the school.

My Dad was mildly amused by the email. Thankfully, we don't see this relative very often. I'm getting too old to deal with that nonsense.

progressoid

(51,185 posts)
54. Well you need to do some ReSuRcH!!11!
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 05:48 PM
Yesterday

Luckily for me and my close relatives, we were sent a long "educational" email in an attempt to free us from the oppression of wireless radiation.

Attached to the email was a 12 page pdf, complete with links to YouTube videos that they sent to their kids' school board so they could make changes to the school.

I assume she has sent these warnings to other people as well. Hell, she might be handing out pamphlets out on the street to strangers.

Bernardo de La Paz

(53,869 posts)
16. (Encephalitis) Would love to see a study of correlation (if exists) of measles infection antibodies w red v blue
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 09:06 AM
Yesterday

I wonder if there is a way by blood analysis to determine if someone has measles antibodies but not from the vaccine. Might not be possible because after all the vaccine is for stimulating the immune system too.

Because measles can affect the brain visibly (encephalitis) and less visibly (sub-symptomatic encephalitis), I wonder if those with visible or invisible brain effects might be more stupid and hence more prone to becoming RepubliCONNED.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(27,641 posts)
18. I believe there is a way to
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 09:22 AM
Yesterday

test to see if someone is immune, whether from having the disease or from being vaccinated. Not sure if the testing can tell which way the person is immune, from vaccine or from disease.

LisaL

(47,157 posts)
17. At least measles is something you can protect yourself from (assuming you are not
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 09:12 AM
Yesterday

immuno compromised) by vaccinating or getting a booster.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(27,641 posts)
20. Everyone needs to read the book "Booster Shots"
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 09:30 AM
Yesterday

by Adam Radner.

The incubation period is exactly fourteen days. And people are most contagious before they break out in spots. And once the measles spots appear, they are no longer contagious. Those two facts explain a lot about its spread.

I'm old, as in trombones years old, so I had all of what we considered standard childhood diseases, measles, mumps, chicken pox. I always thought of them as quite benign, mainly because everyone got all those back then, and I never knew of anyone having serious side effects, let alone dying.

Measles could be totally eradicated on this planet as was smallpox. But not if people refuse vaccines and believe stupid stuff.

JT45242

(3,222 posts)
25. So they'll get covid, chicken pox, etc again with no previous exposure response
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 09:55 AM
Yesterday

Just wait until this measles outbreak triggers mega covid and polio outbreaks.

FAFO ...every kid who dies or is maimed in any way should have parents charged with assault or first degree manslaughter.

Danascot

(4,997 posts)
27. That sounds ridiculous
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 10:09 AM
Yesterday

until you consider that women in Texas who have a miscarriage can be charged with murder.

Botany

(73,697 posts)
36. This anti vaccine crap is part of a massive Russian* misinformation campaign.
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 10:30 AM
Yesterday

and the republicans, right wing media, Christo Fascist Evangelicals, and millions of mouth
breathing proud to be dumb asses are willing participants to this nightmare.

* Putin wants Americans to get sick, die, and fight with each other over proven science.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-024-03355-0

Btw Helen Keller went deaf and blind as a result of measles or another childhood disease
that is easily taken care of via vaccines. Russia is at war on Americans and have installed
the current POTUS.


moniss

(6,875 posts)
38. I just rewatched part of the confirmation hearing for
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 10:49 AM
Yesterday

Kennedy. Amazing how people caught him in his outrageous lies and yet he was still confirmed. Also if you look at the personal history of him he fits in the mold of Crumb The 1st, Vance etc. Terrible conduct.

Linda ladeewolf

(814 posts)
40. It looks like we are back to the era of woman having a dozen children and losing
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 11:05 AM
Yesterday

At least four of them to preventable diseases. It’s so stupid.

malthaussen

(18,054 posts)
45. I'm not "terrified." I *know* we're headed for an epidemic.
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 03:06 PM
Yesterday

Not getting out of that one.

-- Mal

VGNonly

(8,009 posts)
50. Born in 57
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 05:16 PM
Yesterday

Had Measles, German Measles, Chicken Pox, Scarlet Fever twice. I never had mumps. For what's it's worth, no covid.

Tickle

(3,791 posts)
60. Same here, but 58 for me
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 06:19 PM
23 hrs ago

The people getting measles are the unvaccinated. P s. Repubs do get those vaccines. 😂

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