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New Breed Leader

(804 posts)
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 04:53 PM Sunday

A terrifying thread from Rogue SSA

Oh my god

🧵I get a lot of questions about what will happen to Social Security payments. The way I see it, there are 3 factors that will impact payments, all of which will feed off each other to exponentially increase the likelihood that SSA will miss payments: backlogs, error, and system failure.

They've reassigned almost all of our support staff to the front lines (customer service reps, claims specialists, field office and 800# supervision) based solely on paygrade. There's been little to no regard for past experience or the critical functions of their support position.

For example, we have IT specialists moving to field offices who haven't touched a social security record in decades. Many were external hires who never worked in any sort of front line job at all, let alone SSA's front lines.

These aren't jobs that just anyone can do. It's high-stress/low-reward work that requires vast experience and knowledge to perform without error. SSA's recruiters look for very specific innate abilities before someone is even considered a good candidate. Patience and empathy are crucial.

Even with comprehensive training, it takes about a year before someone in an entry-level position has their feet completely under them. Until then, there are layers of manual and automated processes to catch errors so the right people receive the right payment at the right time.

These people are going to struggle. Not just from lack of experience and knowledge, but also from having their entire career path devalued and trashed. There's going to be a massive increase in errors. The people reviewing for errors are in the same boat, and errors will go further down the line.

On top of all this, thousands of our most experienced and knowledgeable people were pushed completely out of the agency by DOGE's ultimatums to either resign/retire or face termination. There was zero consideration of who was leaving or what knowledge they were taking with them.

That's where system failure comes in. The teams who were the only ones who knew how many of our software programs work have been dissolved. There's no one to maintain or fix them. These are systems that are critical to catching errors, processing claims, communicating with external agencies, etc.

So the path of each error will to be either caught manually, causing unnecessary additional work, or passed up to fragile systems where errors cause more strain. As those compound, that's where we'll start seeing failure.

As each of those systems begin to fail, and there's no ability to repair them, more work will become manual and time-consuming. Workloads on inexperienced employees will drastically rise, again increasing the errors pushed through the system.

Eventually, our processing centers will start to collapse under the strain. Confusing automated notices will be generated to claimants, pushing more traffic on our public-facing units, compounding the problem further.

Without our policy divisions at the Regional Offices (also dissolved), there will be no coherent strategy for dealing with any of this. Regional offices also had teams to allocate resources in their jurisdiction to respond to pressing needs. Those are also gone. Each office will be on their own.

Once all of this reaches a critical point, that's where we'll start seeing failures in our central system, the SSA mainframe. The people who know that system are also mostly gone. Failure there will be catastrophic, and payment records will no longer consistently go to the treasury department.

(You've probably heard the term "COBOL". That's the mainframe's programming language, which DOGE couldn't figure out.)

How long until this plays out? I'm not sure. Decisions are being made so impulsively and irrationally that it's hard to predict what might accelerate or slow down the collapse, but it's inevitable at this point.

I expect there will be a series of crises, and the administration will try to shift resources around to respond to each one, but that will just be plugging one leak while causing another. We literally don't have the staffing to keep the agency afloat. That's BEFORE the upcoming May 7th firings.

If I had to guess, I'd say before the end of this year we'll hit the critical failure point.

That's when the Trump administration will say the only way to keep Social Security going is to hand it over to a private company to manage. The keys to the $2.5 trillion trust fund will go to some crony.

It'll be vastly more expensive to run, but they'll just lie about that and claim it saves taxpayers somehow. They'll use the trust fund to manipulate stocks under the guise of "investment", risking all of it. Then they'll give you the option of diverting FICA deductions to investment accounts.

At that point, Social Security is completely dead. Guarantees of benefits will be gone in favor of the whims of the stock market. The rich will get richer, and people that lose the ability to work will get pennies.

All the while, they'll say, "We'll never touch Social Security!"

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A terrifying thread from Rogue SSA (Original Post) New Breed Leader Sunday OP
link New Breed Leader Sunday #1
Rogue SSA could be right, but my bet is the checks keep coming. Silent Type Sunday #2
what makes you say that? New Breed Leader Sunday #3
The other night, Rachel Maddow said some people already were not getting them. usedtobedemgurl Yesterday #31
Liz Warren posted last week TommyT139 21 hrs ago #33
Thank you! usedtobedemgurl 18 hrs ago #34
Even one check TommyT139 16 hrs ago #35
Republicans could stop this... GiqueCee Sunday #4
I have to agree with this sentence: slightlv Sunday #6
Steve Bannon, is that you? Hope22 Sunday #5
Peaceful moments are hard to come by slightlv Sunday #7
I agree with everything you are saying. Hope22 Sunday #12
Congrats on your new grandbaby! slightlv Sunday #22
I love your kitty tale! Hope22 Sunday #25
Agreed .... anciano Sunday #10
I think Abstractartist Sunday #8
it IS an entitlement Skittles Sunday #11
Skittles, I hear you. But the right has used johnnyfins Sunday #13
like I said Skittles Sunday #17
And you should. johnnyfins Sunday #21
Skittles was a huge solid black cat I had Skittles Yesterday #29
Reading the Declaration of Independence slightlv Sunday #23
The Social Security Administration itself calls retirement benefits an entitlement. Frasier Balzov Yesterday #26
NO, homegirl Sunday #15
EARNED so we are ENTITLED TO IT Skittles Sunday #16
Don't give up Skittles, we need you and your Voice! William769 Yesterday #30
howdy there! Skittles Yesterday #32
Yes. A legal entitlement defined by law. Captain Zero Yesterday #27
THANK YOU Skittles Yesterday #28
By cutting 87? % of SS employees, it is clear they are destroying SS. Burning it to the ground. Fuck them all. nt Evolve Dammit Sunday #9
Fuck them all to Hell! johnnyfins Sunday #14
Nobody said SSA is cutting 87% of their employees Wiz Imp Sunday #19
While there's a lot in what this person says that makes sense Wiz Imp Sunday #18
This message was self-deleted by its author anciano Sunday #20
Nope, I disagree that its an outlandish leap. slightlv Sunday #24

usedtobedemgurl

(1,638 posts)
31. The other night, Rachel Maddow said some people already were not getting them.
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 05:27 AM
Yesterday

Is she lying?

TommyT139

(1,186 posts)
33. Liz Warren posted last week
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 09:31 AM
21 hrs ago

That she is already hearing from some who are not getting checks.

usedtobedemgurl

(1,638 posts)
34. Thank you!
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 12:47 PM
18 hrs ago

Thank you. It is happening but I guess some do not believe it or they believe it must be some percentage of folks to make it true. Those people could end up homeless, but people are thinking folks will not miss their checks and are anxious for no reason. It is already happening!!!!!

TommyT139

(1,186 posts)
35. Even one check
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 02:20 PM
16 hrs ago

...would qualify as grand larceny or something, right?

Also, if someone gets into your accounts and takes money, that also includes some cyber crimes, depending on the state.

GiqueCee

(2,120 posts)
4. Republicans could stop this...
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 06:26 PM
Sunday

... but they won't, either out fear of the deranged man-baby smearing his excrement all over the Oval Office, or in hopes of sticking their fingers in the cookie jar for a little sumpthin-sumpthin.
Either way, every Republican Satan ever shat out will have a pantload to answer for in the midterms. Sure, some MAGAts are so invested in this shitshow that they'd vote straight (R) even while they watched the scumbags rape their daughters.
But those who are fed up with getting fucked over by Eloon and his pimple-faced minions, are gonna chop these fuckers into chum and feed 'em to the crabs. Electorally speaking, of course. Heh, heh, heh.
I've been politically hyper-aware for more than 60 years, and have seen this clusterfuck coming ever since Tricky Dick screwed the pooch, but these fuckin' clowns have gone supernova with stupidity, and a BIG dollop of sheer malice, 'cause that's the way they're hard-wired. They just love to hurt people.

slightlv

(5,319 posts)
6. I have to agree with this sentence:
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 06:56 PM
Sunday
They just love to hurt people.
The only thing I'd change is to make the sentiment stronger.

I wonder what they'll do when the people they're hurting have it up to "here" with their changes. The biggest fervor over many of the changes made was when they did actually "touch" Social Security. To have the oldest of those recipients die, en masse, on their watch because of their changes... or put the entire next generation younger than that in mortal danger because they ceased sending the checks for whatever reason... not to say the least about the next generation younger than us "young" boomers, who have paid in all their working lives and now are seeing their money wrenched out of the system to be given over to private contractors with no regulations on them... well, I wonder how they'll like being hurt by the people that they hurt. Because in addition to these "elders" there are going to be a lot of sons and daughters and grand-relatives who are suddenly cast into the mold of constant caregivers because trump "didn't touch" social security. That's going to be a lot of anger and violent thought to corral. I don't know about you, but I'll attempt a beatdown of anyone who hurts anybody I love. I get angry at the pain inflicted needlessly on anyone... thinking about the immigrants in the El Salvador prison, for example. But to get me riled to the point of actually hitting someone takes doing something to my family members. I think most of humans are wired this way. By this point, *maybe* trump will finally realize he grabbed the damned leopard by the tail and it's eating HIS face!

Hope22

(3,890 posts)
5. Steve Bannon, is that you?
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 06:50 PM
Sunday

If it’s gonna break then so be it. Until that day people need to have a peaceful moment. We’ve paid into the system. We did our part. Trust that the SSA employees will work it out…or deal with it as it comes! My hat is off to the federal employees who are stepping up to keep systems in operation.

slightlv

(5,319 posts)
7. Peaceful moments are hard to come by
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 07:04 PM
Sunday

at this age under these circumstances. But I appreciate the intent in your sentence. And you're right, the fed employees will do all they can to keep it running as successfully as possible. But I think the opinion writer and I might share the experience to a lesser degree that these workers are going to be laboring under. Stress is a killer... and these people are going to be stressed to the max... not just because there's not enough workers and more are to be fired in May, but also because these civil servants know they're failing their clients even while trying their best. They've been set up in a no-win situation, and most of them are smart enough to know it. Not to mention have your career path up to now demeaned and erased. That's a soul-hurt to these workers. I pray you're right and the checks keep coming, but I also pray that they'll be able to handle the stress or be allowed to form support groups (something that's not musk-approved if past is prologue). People aren't monkeys you can set behind a keyboard and make it all come out alright, altho trump and musk seem to think differently. I've lived with a narcissistic parent and have a grown child with the same traits; nothing one does is ever enough, no matter what you do. The stress of living under that kind of strain is soul crushing.

Hope22

(3,890 posts)
12. I agree with everything you are saying.
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 07:32 PM
Sunday

I feel like the worry from these threats placed on SS recipients is equally stressful. If I think about every piece of this orchestrated operation my insides vibrate uncontrollably. I venture to guess that Stress and panic attacks are at an all time high in this country and across the globe. Today I was sorting out my son’s baby books that I had stored for my new grand baby twenty years ago! Well baby has finally made his appearance at the craziest period in the history of this country. I pulled out the baby books from the bin, removed books that were no longer of interest and then packed the wooden chest with books from the shelf that would be needed if the library were to close and doomsday falls upon us. Sounds depressing but the children’s books are full of hope and the chest is loaded in case we have to entertain ourselves for any length of time. Somehow it all gave me a bit of peace in a crazy world! My best to you. Be sure to build the stress breaks in. We are in it for the long run! For the young people! Peace and love to you! 💗🙏🏼

slightlv

(5,319 posts)
22. Congrats on your new grandbaby!
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 11:46 PM
Sunday

May s/he find a world that was as good to grow up in as it was when I was a child - many eons ago! (LOL)

BTW... I've been saying since trumps first admin that there's a majority of americans that should qualify for PTSD after suffering thru so much because of him. I lost so many friends to Covid during his time in office, and started having night terrors that woke the house. Gratefully, one of my younger cats has appointed herself my "nurse" and never leaves my side when I'm in bed. And when I start having bad dreams, she wakes me with a soft paw on my cheek, followed by head boops. The rest of the group on the bed hit the roof and race thru the cat door! Of course, wouldn't you know... she's my only female in the whole group! (LOL)

Hope22

(3,890 posts)
25. I love your kitty tale!
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 11:59 PM
Sunday

She sounds amazing! I agree on the PTSD! I thought the * days were bad. Every day I would wake up to see what GW had done during the night. We are wayyyy out in the weeds now. Three people over 65 in this house! All of us would qualify for an anxiety / depression diagnosis! We have had to devise a whole new way of communicating at times. At one point if someone got overwhelmed they would simply lay down on the floor! That usually gets the message across. Of course it usually ends in laughter as well. And then there is the getting up!🤣😁 I’m so sorry about your Covid fears and night terrors. That must have been exhausting. I’m so happy that kitten can help you feel grounded. Hugs and love to you! 💗🙏🏼

anciano

(1,754 posts)
10. Agreed ....
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 07:16 PM
Sunday

"Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift, that is why it is called the present." Eleanor Roosevelt
🙏

Abstractartist

(221 posts)
8. I think
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 07:06 PM
Sunday

I think if SSA payments stop, Musk and anyone who is pushing it, agreeing with it or even possibly calling for with will be the walking dead. They will be targeted with imaginary big red dots on their backs. Even MAGA voters have moms, dad and grandparents on SS. There will be total hell to pay and vigilantism will be prevalent. I believe trump, congress, and the Supreme Court knows this will happen, and they will prevent it. There is no fraud there, and it IS NOT an entitlement.

Skittles

(163,311 posts)
11. it IS an entitlement
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 07:19 PM
Sunday

as in WE PAID INTO SS so we are ENTITLED to those payments

stop letting repukes set the narrative!

johnnyfins

(1,953 posts)
13. Skittles, I hear you. But the right has used
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 07:43 PM
Sunday

Entitlement as basically a cuss word. Yes, we are entitled to these benefits, but it's because we EARNED EVERY PENNY.

It's the same thing as Rush Limbaugh renaming the Democratic Party, to Democrat Party.

Silver lining is, you can always spot a republican if they use either of these terms. They dont even realize they have give themselves away

Skittles

(163,311 posts)
17. like I said
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 08:28 PM
Sunday

STOP LETTING REPUKES DRIVE THE NARRATIVE

they made LIBERAL and FEMINIST "bad words" too BUT I STILL CLAIM BOTH

johnnyfins

(1,953 posts)
21. And you should.
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 09:09 PM
Sunday

But the people who need to understand that the are not bad words are on the OTHER side.

BTW, I love your name because skittles are the best non chocolate candy EVER.

Also I enjoy and look for your posts!

Skittles

(163,311 posts)
29. Skittles was a huge solid black cat I had
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 03:46 AM
Yesterday

yes, he was named after the candy

I also feel like my DU name later became a poignant reminder of Trayvon Martin, the child murdered by a gun humping thug while walking from a store where he had bought a bag of Skittles.....

slightlv

(5,319 posts)
23. Reading the Declaration of Independence
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 11:53 PM
Sunday

and the Constitution, providing for the general welfare of the country can be (and should be) construed to helping those constituents who are on the margins of society. The evil entitlement SNAP, and others like it, are entitlements simply by being American and in poor straits.

But this country has made empathy, sympathy, and amiability out to be evil words of weak-minded individuals. But only when the strong support the weak, and the weak help in any way they can, do we all come out the other side. We all rise or sink by how we treat "the least of these."

they're even rewriting their own spiritual source to make it more in line with trump. Throwing Jesus and His words to the wolves and embracing trump and his evil. If these people aren't welcoming the spirit of the antichrist, I don't know what would qualify.

Frasier Balzov

(4,268 posts)
26. The Social Security Administration itself calls retirement benefits an entitlement.
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 01:18 AM
Yesterday

My ear is tuned more to hearing the "Democrat Party" used as a rhetorical dog whistle.

Captain Zero

(7,815 posts)
27. Yes. A legal entitlement defined by law.
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 03:25 AM
Yesterday

Just like a life insurance payout from a life insurance company is a Legal Entitlement.

They have turned it into a bad word. It is not. It is a legal entitlement earned by you fulfilling your side of a legal obligation to receive it.

Skittles

(163,311 posts)
28. THANK YOU
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 03:32 AM
Yesterday

I am so tired of DUers letting repukes drive the narrative - the literal definition of ENTITLEMENT is:

noun: entitlement; plural noun: entitlements

the fact of having a right to something.

when someone says Social Security it is NOT an entitlement they are essentially saying we're not entitled to it - good lawd

they're confusing the noun ENTITLEMENT with the negative connotations associated with the adjective "entitled" - as in, say, rich assholes feeling entitled to all kinds of shit.........

Evolve Dammit

(20,499 posts)
9. By cutting 87? % of SS employees, it is clear they are destroying SS. Burning it to the ground. Fuck them all. nt
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 07:09 PM
Sunday

johnnyfins

(1,953 posts)
14. Fuck them all to Hell!
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 07:45 PM
Sunday

I WORKED MY ASS OFF FOR THAT MONEY.

I have worked my whole life. Now I dont even know if I'll see a dime. Yes, I take this personally.

Wiz Imp

(4,698 posts)
19. Nobody said SSA is cutting 87% of their employees
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 08:41 PM
Sunday

They have around 60,000 employees nationwide. The 87% number comes from this:

According to Wired, SSA regional staff would be cut by 87%:

Today, the agency has 547 employees working in the nearly dozen regional offices (previously, the number was closer to 700, but many people have retired, a current employee with knowledge of the staffing numbers says). After the cuts, the number is expected to be closer to 70.


That's a cut of less 500 out of 60,000 or less than one percent.

https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/move-x-social-security

Wiz Imp

(4,698 posts)
18. While there's a lot in what this person says that makes sense
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 08:35 PM
Sunday

This:

That's when the Trump administration will say the only way to keep Social Security going is to hand it over to a private company to manage. The keys to the $2.5 trillion trust fund will go to some crony.


Is an outrageously large conclusion to leap to for which they provide zero evidence.

Response to Wiz Imp (Reply #18)

slightlv

(5,319 posts)
24. Nope, I disagree that its an outlandish leap.
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 11:58 PM
Sunday

Look back to at least Reagan's time in office... and then spend quite a bit of time studying what Bush the younger did, especially to the military during his admin. What once was done in-office by military personnel was outsourced via private contract to military contractors. I got about 10 years of higher paying/benefits working my job as a contractor before it was enfolded into the government once again as civil service under Obama. Not by design, but I've ended up working as a govt contractor since the late 70's, after I mustered out of the Air Force. My retirement was just before trump took office. Good thing, too... with my political persuasion and my mouth, I'd have been one of the first ones targeted, no matter how much institutional knowledge and skill I had.

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