Or at least warn someone I don't want to look at that ugly face 🤬

You're on a democratic fucking board and you accuse me of voting for that turd face? I should alert you just on principle but instead I think I'll just let you sit there and look like an idiot

We need their complaints to teach subsequent generations, if they live long enough.

If they did we wouldn’t be in this situation. Let’s not play nice. Shame works.

the Trump-voting Latino store clerk whose daughter-in-law and granddaughter are sitting in a detention center awaiting deportation...fuck you

the Trump-voting mother whose 12 year old daughter was raped by her 16 year old cousin and has to carry the baby to term...fuck you

the Trump-voting white retiree who lost most of his retirement fund...fuck you

And to every white/black/brown/gay/straight asshole who refused to vote for a woman/a black woman.. fuck you

no more playing nice...play ruthless!!

I am intolerant of anyone who cast their vote for the convicted felon. Especially anyone hurt by the policies they voted for.

There needs to be serious, continuous talk in this country about how the hatred and the religious nonsense destroyed us. Japan couldn't do it, Germany couldn't do it, even way back, England couldn't do it. But we did it to ourselves. Took away two hundred plus years of trying to make a better world, be a better country, shine a light out into the world, set an example.

Less than one hundred days, and it's gone. The respect, the hard-won human rights, the hope that maybe we can leave things better for the next generations. Gone. We weren't perfect. Far from it. But a lot of us were trying, doing our best to bring the haters and the stupid along with us. Make them live in a civilized society, whether they liked it or not.

We're going to have to control hate speech. Get rid of monopolies on news outlets. Make people pay for encouraging hate, for acting on it, for trying to make decent people suffer.

Enough is enough. We can't have nice things when these people are allowed to just rant and rave, to be hateful, to do hateful things. Time for it to end. And yes, someone will say, who decides what's hate? Well, you know it. The Constitution forbids it. That's simple enough to figure out.

Tragedies and political beliefs do get passed on. I’m just looking at the much longer picture. 🙂

They are not going to learn. Most people don’t read and oral history can be based on myths, the war of northern aggression ( the civil war), America is the greatest country and we saved the the entire world during the the Second World War. Most of the people in the southern states vote against their interests based on lies and myths. I am not going to indulge them. Their ignorance has helped to destroy this country and I am going to shame them.

That's the thing about people who've become complete unmoored to reality. Short of something resembling denazification, you simply cannot reach them and their rants will teach no one anything of any use.

They did not say do not complain. They said that they did not want to hear it.

So, a lot of paper bags are in order, I guess.

They could have prevented this.

If there was never a Trump 1 there never would have been a Trump 2.

who told their constitiuents it was OK not to vote for Harris. They should be shunned by the party.

because he wrote an editorial in his student newspaper. Stuff it.

because Narcan is no longer available.
Stuff it.

— my family and their friends are Republicans, and they fully support what’s happening, saying, "It’s what we voted for." They view the tariffs as a transitional phase that will resolve by the end of the year.

Sometimes, it honestly feels like they would rather risk losing their homes than see deportations slow down. When due process for migrants is mentioned, they laugh and argue that migrants shouldn’t have any rights at all. And when the name Abrego Garcia comes up, it’s almost unsettling how much satisfaction they take in what’s happening to him.

It’s eye-opening — and disturbing — to see how deep political loyalty can run, even at the expense of basic human empathy.

What kind of values and morals does your family have?

I honestly can't answer your question without feeling conflicted.
I try not to argue because I do love them, and normally, we don't talk about politics. But with everything going on lately, I’ve brought up a few things — only to be laughed at or dismissed. So I’ve stopped. Our conversations are becoming fewer, and it does make me sad. But at the end of the day, what can I do?

Although I have made a concerted effort to avoid them in the last couple years.

Who is going to be hurt the most - people in the red states. People without a college degree.

They’re gathering all this data so they can differentiate who gets jobs and benefits. They are going to create a whole lot of chaos.
Additionally 401Ks and investments are owned by college-educated professionals and much of that money will be lost.
They are pressuring universities to create “belief diversity” — which may mean hiring a lot of undeserving right wing men.

I mean, really? They're the ones spending scarce income on Agolf $hitler's endless crappy rip off stuff, and 'investing' in corrupt scams like Rump's crypto or a chance for a ' private ' dinner with Cheetolini ( with over 200 other losers in attendance).

Who's really being 'owned', when the cost of living skyrockets, their retirement investments are tanked, unemployment skyrockets, deaths from pandemics and natural disasters increase while health care is gutted and FEMA and the National Weather Service are destroyed, all in favor of giving huge tax breaks to people who already have more money than they or their families could spend in ten lifetimes? And, oh yeah, the national debt that these idiots have all been screaming about will increase, because the billionaires don't want to pay ANY taxes.
Who is it that is REALLY being owned?!? In every sense of the word?
Not yelling at you. I'm just mind boggled at their incredible level of stupidity.

My one and only living brother is a Trumper. I can direct the conversation when it wanders to politics, but that's all I can do. I am not going to waste precious time trying to convince him that his beliefs are wrong.

He is a good person. I cannot bring myself to simply cut him off; he's all I have.

Watched a show dramatizing Sherman’s march on Georgia. An old black gentleman sitting on a porch and General Sherman was marching through the front lawn and the guy said “General Sherman , why does the poor man fight the rich mans war”. Exactly

Bitter tears of regret for a long time while their children ridicule them

trump supporters deserve zero sympathy from us---to the contrary, they deserve our loathing and permanent dismissal as friends and relatives. The damage these fools did to us and our once-proud nation is past all calculation, after just a few weeks. If you haven't severed ties with such people, please consider doing so. The monumental work of putting our country back together still remains to be done---and the fewer clueless scumbags we have to deal with, the better. No retreat, no surrender, no mercy.

Many of us live in red states/areas, and many of these folks are our customers or relatives. The best we can do is keep our interactions with them to a bare minimum, and leave it at that.

The era of goody-two-shoes Democratic behavior needs to end, just as soon as possible. Fascist empowerment is no longer an option.

Actually unaffordable for all. Sad.

And how’s that workin’ out for ya NOW, ‘eh?

YOU OWN this. You fucking OWN IT. Roll around in it and squeal like the pig you are.

Sorry. I’ve had a rough day. And I’m ready and VERY willing to take it out on ANY trumpers unlucky enough to cross my path or otherwise get in my way.

Come on, this is a forum. Explain why you disagree.

" But you and I know this war will not have any real victors and that, once it is over, we will have to go on living together forever on the same soil." -- Albert Camus

I just got home from addressing an audience -- some Democrats, some maga, plus many I don't know about -- about the Iroquois influence on the colonial settlers during the Revolutionary War. About 1/3 of the whites wanted independence, 1/3 wanted to stay connected to England, and 1/3 were lucky they didn't have to read stupid arguing between old former friends on facebook. I spoke of the rallies in Boston leading up to the Boston Tea Party -- an estimated 7,000 out of a total population of 16,000 had taken part in protests against the new taxes. The organizers had actually tried to get Mohawk support for the dumping of the tea. And many dressed like Mohawk warriors.

I spoke of meetings the Iroquois leadership participated in with the Founding Fathers. When Franklin introduced his Plan of Union, it was similar to the Iroquois Confederacy. Ben proposed to call Congress the "grand council." It was rejected, and then Franklin's friend Joseph Galloway would introduce his plan of union. Though it really didn't get any serious support, I mentioned it because of a family relationship. Then the Articles of Confederation, then the Constitution.

I told of how Onondaga Chief Paul Waterman, Faithkeeper Oren Lyons, and I used to discuss that era. I asked what their ancestors greatest contributions to the Founding Fathers were? The Power of Ideas and the Power of the Good Mind were their answers. Neither dynamic -- one individual, one group, allows for people who want to live in peace to cling to petty hostilities, as advocated for in the OP. People need to reach a higher level of consciousness, and that cannot happen unconsciously, when one is saturated by negative emotions.

I ended by saying that I think our Constitution is a work of genius. It's the product of the Power of the Good Mind. I said that people need to read that and those other historic documents, because we are at risk of losing them.

A higher consciousness in no way equals being a victim. It's possible to have conversations with those you disagree strongly with, in a respectful way. When I worked at the mental health clinic, I was assigned to teach "dispute resolution" to the inmates at the county jail. Some of them actually learned from that. Likewise, men and women who were court-ordered to attend DV group sometimes learned some beneficial skills.

In a sense, I might be more relaxed in both communicating with damaged individuals and in not fearing physical or mentall aggression. I fought 329 bouts when I boxed. Never lost a street fight. And I remember John Lennon saying it is only those who were most violent that could become the most peaceful. Heck, my late friend Rubin Carter did that.

The majority of South Africans grumbled, but accepted that racist (and classiest) autocracy had been holding their country corrupt and in poverty; and punishing otherwise neutral people for circumstances of their birth in that society wouldn't keep the country moving forward.
They punished the worst offenders, attempted to recover some of what was lost to the corruption, and have been trying to move forward, opening up opportunities that weren't available before.
But Mob Bosses, like Plantation Owners, always think they are owed everything they stole from their prey or captive workforce.

I hate to break it to you but, nobody and I mean nobody that voted for this Felon is a good person. I would give a benefit of the doubt if it weren't for his previous term in office which just hinted at his evil cruelty, his behavior between terms and the well publicized manual of how to destroy America titled Project 2025.
Nobody that voted for him is a good person. Those that didn't vote should be considered just as bad. Minorities, women and impoverished that voted for him are especially deserving of him and the destruction that his administration leaves behind. I heard somewhere "you got what you voted for." You may live to 100 and never make up for what you did. And I for one will never let you forget. If there is a hell, then you have already begun your well deserved journey. Bon voyage you stupid, stupid f.cks.

--his previous term, his behavior for 4 years between, and Project 2025 were red flags. Anyone who uses the excuse of "I didn't vote for this" is refusing to accept responsibility for bringing this darkness upon us. To say "I voted for him out of ignorance, and I'm sorry" is way more honest. That person can see the light and change for the better.

"Nobody that voted for him is a good person." I agree. Others may say it depends what your definition of "good" is. Others may be more willing to accept the two-sides to one person argument. Example: He helps all his neighbors even though he supports the 2025 agenda. Others may say "we're not all perfect either." (Right, but some of us try a whole lot harder not to deliberately hurt others).

For me, this is a line in the sand. If you voted for him THIS time, you are either too stupid or you are smart but sinfully corrupt, and therefore complicit in these crimes against humanity. Vote MAGA, you are Maga. After this election, there are really no moderate "good" Republicans. Sorry if this offends. I have Trump voters in my family, too, thankfully not in my nuclear family. I can pity them, but I have little respect now. That will never change. I consider them dangerously ignorant, consumed by fear, concerned mainly with money and status, with a constant need to feel superior at somebody else's expense. These aren't admirable or "good" qualities to me. These relatives go to church too, even more hypocritical, while they worship false gods. They lack perception of what is truly important in this difficult thing we call life.

To those Magas who see their mistake but wish to be excused...I say
Own it, ya ___ing idiots! Atone. Repent. Ask for forgiveness. Don't just whine that you were lied to. Of course you were lied to--that's all they do. And that was crystal clear before the election.

him, this election was unforgivable vs. 2016 when, although he wasn't a completely blank slate, he was a neophyte but still a bad person with hints of racism.

about him, and the history of his racist father.

Not drumphf refused to let African Americans into his buildings as tennants

absolute racist but I was comparing 2016 voters to 2024 and trying to give them a benefit of the doubt about knowledge of his racism. In '24 no such excuses was possible.

as long as they're accompanied by mea culpas.

I don't live in a place with many Trump voters, but the ones that are here haven't seemed to wake up yet. They still prefer to complain about our Democratic Governor and legislator.

It makes me HAPPY when the Trump loving SOB with the small business gets hit with tariffs and whines and cries. My favorite was the guy who sold honey to schools for lunch programs crying because … wait for it … the program got cut. Screw him hard. I look for these stories. I LOVE these stories. Sorry not sorry. I never claimed to have compassion for racist fucks.

Selfish self serving greedy assholes that I won't hesitate to bury even if if it's my own brother!

And being so privileged and righteous that we are right and they were wrong and then take a breath and freaking do the work to bring these people over.

We did not have time to indulge our egos. Tell them I’m very sorry, but you were completely conned. It’s a really bitter pill to accept but the sooner you do the sooner we can move forward and I know you hate Democrats because you think you know what we’re all about, but I want you to know that these people have conned you and you have been just terribly terribly abused a.k.a. suckers. You may not love Democrats, but we are going to always work for the people and the people formerly known as conservatives (I don’t know what you even call them, but they shouldn’t be within 100 miles of the word conservative) , are here to make you easy to manipulate, poor, sick, with a head full of disinformation , disenfranchised and preferably hating every other American around you that doesn’t look just like you.

Time to over being right and get to work or we are permanently and truly fucked.

Things will never change in this country until we can get conversations going. It's going to take a lot of patience.

Or do they just wait to be reached out to...

How do we get conversations going? In the past I haven't found that too many are receptive. It's like you can't get somebody to give up an addiction unless they want to.

I’m not feeling tippy top today and I’m late and it’s hot and I’m in a car and I have to get started up again so I’m not going to expand much on that but if you want to DM me we can chat later.

I find the path forward usually starts with questions. If you really want to come from a place of trying to bring Healing. We sort of want to forget all the heinous hideous disgusting things. Like Q was a lie factory and so many people believed it ,that was priming people to believe bullshit and Trump telling people that Barack Obama wasn’t born in the US even though we freaking knew him growing up I personally went to school in the same school as him and played with him on the playground. His Dean in high school his classmates his grandparents that lived in town right here, everybody knew them, this is a very small town and we are connected.

Trump said he sent a team over here to look into it 9- that never happened. That was a freaking lie. Start with like what is important to them- ask them. What do you think is important? And try and not yell and run on like I am kind of yelling and ranting now.

I hope you mentioned that the word conservative has no place anywhere in the same universe. As these people, they are taking our treasure are inheritance of generations in science and research and health in 1 million ways that the government helps us with very little fanfare, they are stealing from us Not just our present but our future. Just one tiny question, why is it that we can’t get health warnings and CDC warnings and virus updates and food recalls anymore? Is there any reason why we can’t have that basic thing? Is there any reason why they appeared to want us to be sick And weekend against fighting disease diseases that are clearly emergent?

I gotta go thank you for asking. Good luck bye-bye

.Paula Kurashige Was his Dean. She was my brotherʻs Dean and my dearest friendʻs Dean. She is a very good, loving, wise and kind person.

your depiction of the poor Maga sucker, but is it our responsibility to "bring these people over"? How does that even work?? Seems there's not much we can do but carry on-- do what we've always been doing. Let them work on themselves.

As for our side being "privileged and righteous" because we are right and they are wrong -- I don't accept that. For one thing a LOT of the privileged and righteous among us voted FOR him.

We're indulging our egos by stating our Truth? "We should get over being right" --why? I hope NOT to get over being as right as I feel about this shit show. How does that mean we're not working, to what...proselytize, recruit, make them feel welcome? Olive branches and all that? Maybe I'm not reading the underlying message in your words here, but I don't think we are the ones who need to reach out so much.

... and engaging.

Opponents of the 47 regime must radically alter our response. And Anat Shenker-Osorio is the clearest voice and has created the best guide I've seen to date.

She was on the That Trippi Show April 18th, (episode: "If you want to touch a nerve, you have to touch a nerve " )

Please listen, wherever you get your podcasts. This is so important.

And here is Anat's Freedom Over Fascism Toolkit. Her guidance sets out a simple way to stop running after the latest horror and talk about the horrors within the same narrative frame -- over and over and over.

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1s0JbXhND7-1iqABNcUNL031NQLxkLfr-USkCKGZTidI/mobilebasic

If you agree, please pass along to your network and to your electeds.

Thanks! I will definitely pass along!

Makes the excellent point that you don't meet the adversary where they are, you meet them where you envision us all going. But the writers put practical specifics to that effort. It's a toolkit-- we badly need the "how to" spelled out.

Too often when I see people advocating engaging with Magas, there's a whiff of liberal guilt and the necessity to "understand" them and reach out--smells like triangulation, the urge to pile everybody on some mythical middle ground. The lazy approach. What this website seems to be advocating is how to sell your own position in a stronger way. Which takes more focus and work.

I like the assumption of success by practical means. We do have an opportunity here--it's pretty clear that The Sane of all stripes, ages, colors, persuasions and affiliations-- need to come together for this fight, but it cannot be at the expense of the most hardcore progressive values.

This echoes very nicely the emotional mood and underlying anger I'm feeling over the current situation.

What selfish, whiny, petulant, short-sighted, non-thinking morons! I loathe them.

I try not to hate, but these people make it so easy. FOX and right wing radio bear a lot of responsibility for conning the willingly gullible. We need to somehow shut down the nonstop propaganda and regain control of the media.

I do not understand people talking about relatives and friends and describing them as loving Trump, loving MAGA, supporting unlawful seizure and abandonment of civil rights, relishing discrimination against LGBTQ+ peoples, embracing deportation, gleefully shout "drill baby drill" in the National Parks, but then end by saying, "But they are good people..." NO THEY ARE NOT. Ok, you love them-- but please, quit saying, "They are good people." They are not. They are the very definition of evil.

good people do NOT support and enable racists, misogynists, homophobes, etc

THEY JUST DON'T

They’ve got some majorly dark blinders on.

complaints about the formerly attached photo, my curiosity is getting the best of me. I want to see the photo now, damn it!

They (republicans, etc.) have been doing that since forever, and they won’t stop now. No matter how clearly and directly a problem is caused by Trump, they will find a way to deflect and blame the other side.

dismantling of our democracy.

because of these STUPID FUCKING ASSHOLES

ah, they take comfort in the fact that THIS is also "hurting the libs"

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If Trump and the Republican majorities suddenly terminated Social Security, including their own benefits, they'll simply blame Democrats for supposedly causing it.

I'm sure that Fox News has been working on that kind of scapegoating already, like the Nazi propagandists in Germany somehow blaming the Jews for their country's deserved hardships after World War 1.