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Can someone explain to me why the vatican broke protocol for (Original Post) niyad Saturday OP
What protocol? EX500rider Saturday #1
dress code Skittles Saturday #2
See post 7 niyad Saturday #9
Seems to be a lot of blue suits in the pics though EX500rider Saturday #24
apparently this was in regards to seating arrangements Skittles Saturday #32
It looks like he is sitting in the 1st row BigmanPigman Saturday #40
They were seated alphabetically, other than Argentina and Italy. nt sl8 Saturday #43
Damn, too bad we aren't Zaire. BigmanPigman Yesterday #49
If you look at the pics there were several men wearing blue suits/jackets Meowmee Yesterday #46
see Post 32 Skittles Yesterday #47
President Biden was wearing a black suit, as every picture shows. niyad Yesterday #53
It looks navy blue to me, and others said it was blue Meowmee Yesterday #57
Looked black to me, and to nearly everyone who saw it . Colour perception niyad 19 hrs ago #62
See post 7 niyad Saturday #8
I've heard that navy blue is acceptable, but what hasn't been explained is how he got moved TheRickles Saturday #3
I'd read that as well. SheltieLover Saturday #5
I read that the first row was reserved for Catholic royalty. greatauntoftriplets Saturday #7
That was what some people expected, Ms. Toad Saturday #22
The Vatican said it would seat all royalty together and not differentiate between Catholic and non-Catholic dflprincess Saturday #30
These are guide lines that a cardinal or bishop can alter. Jacson6 12 hrs ago #72
That was NOT navy blue but a bright blue. kerry-is-my-prez Saturday #13
This photo looks like it was color-enhanced to appear bright blue, while the photo in Comment #34 is clearly navy blue TheRickles Saturday #17
The photos and video I've seen make it look bright blue, not navy. dflprincess Saturday #31
Yikes, had not even thought about his ugly, too-long, red tie. niyad 19 hrs ago #64
That's the "protocol" I was thinking about.. TY Cha Saturday #14
And that was the protocol I meant. niyad Saturday #16
"Protocol" is what is expected SCantiGOP Saturday #39
see post 7 niyad Saturday #44
I've been wondering as well malaise Saturday #4
Maybe he requested... littlemissmartypants Saturday #6
And she spent it at a funeral. .sitting next to her loving spouse. Perfect day. niyad Saturday #10
I feel badly for those with functioning olfactory senses BigmanPigman Saturday #42
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Saturday #11
They knew how to shut him up Red Mountain Saturday #12
I did see other blue suits, but they were darker shades. niyad Saturday #15
Can you really see someone telling him he can't come in? No i can't either. Srkdqltr Saturday #18
See post 7 niyad Saturday #19
They didn't. Ms. Toad Saturday #20
From what I had read on Friday, heads of state would be seated as you indicated. . niyad Saturday #23
That was the thinking in advance, by a number of people, Ms. Toad Saturday #45
Dang it. sl8 Saturday #25
If they did break protocol, it wasn't just for Trump. sl8 Saturday #21
Maybe the slob doesn't own a black suit? nt Jit423 Saturday #26
The want Satan front and center to compare. yourout Saturday #27
A strong possibility! niyad Yesterday #51
Melania appeared to be trying to dress like Jackie Kennedy LisaM Saturday #28
Good point! Cha Saturday #35
Yeah, she kept reminding me of something... LisaM Saturday #38
I just looked it up... she a "practicing Roman Catholic".. Cha Saturday #41
Practicing for a role in the inquisition? niyad 19 hrs ago #65
I believe you are correct. niyad Yesterday #50
I wonder, when the time comes, if they'll bury him in that stupid blue suit? red dog 1 Saturday #29
Last week would be nice. niyad Yesterday #52
They put him in the front row so that he would be downwind of the important guests. Orrex Saturday #33
But of course!!! niyad Yesterday #54
That's what I think. nt leftyladyfrommo 17 hrs ago #69
Insanity Iamscrewed Saturday #34
Maybe they just felt like dobleremolque Saturday #36
There is that! niyad Yesterday #55
Maybe they were grateful he didn't send Vance Warpy Saturday #37
Had not thought of that! niyad Yesterday #56
Do we know that they did? Meowmee Yesterday #48
Of all the things Trump has done I can't believe we are still talking about doc03 22 hrs ago #58
It is about messaging. niyad 19 hrs ago #63
I suspected they'd tweak the arrangements as necessary Buns_of_Fire 21 hrs ago #59
True. niyad 19 hrs ago #67
Maybe it had something to do with getting Trump to sit down with Zelenski. N/T lapucelle 21 hrs ago #60
A most interesting point. niyad 19 hrs ago #68
It's the old joke: Where can a 500 pound Gorilla sit? tavernier 20 hrs ago #61
Snicker. I can just see the Vatican clean-up team with gallon jugs of niyad 19 hrs ago #66
Because the Church is a business and conservative Americans are its most lucrative customer. Midnight Writer 13 hrs ago #70
A most interesting point. niyad 12 hrs ago #71

Skittles

(163,655 posts)
32. apparently this was in regards to seating arrangements
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 10:10 PM
Saturday

whatever it is about, Trump ALWAYS makes himself the topic of conversation

BigmanPigman

(52,916 posts)
40. It looks like he is sitting in the 1st row
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 11:14 PM
Saturday

I read he would be in the 3rd row. I guess it's sort of like trying to seat all the Academy Awards celebrities....lots of egos need to be addressed in order to seat them.

sl8

(16,366 posts)
43. They were seated alphabetically, other than Argentina and Italy. nt
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 11:22 PM
Saturday

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BigmanPigman

(52,916 posts)
49. Damn, too bad we aren't Zaire.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 01:13 AM
Yesterday

He shouldn't even have been given a seat unless it was at the "kiddie table" in a different room. That would match his mental maturity...a 6 hear old, maybe even a 4 year old.

Meowmee

(8,758 posts)
46. If you look at the pics there were several men wearing blue suits/jackets
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 12:12 AM
Yesterday

Including Biden and Prince William.

niyad

(123,434 posts)
62. Looked black to me, and to nearly everyone who saw it . Colour perception
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 09:18 AM
19 hrs ago

is individual.

TheRickles

(2,708 posts)
3. I've heard that navy blue is acceptable, but what hasn't been explained is how he got moved
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 08:26 PM
Saturday

From third row to first (normally reserved for royalty). Sorry that I cannot remember the source for this info.....

greatauntoftriplets

(177,538 posts)
7. I read that the first row was reserved for Catholic royalty.
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 08:55 PM
Saturday

The second for non-Catholic royalty, and the third for other dignitaries -- presidents, prime ministers, etc.

Ms. Toad

(36,727 posts)
22. That was what some people expected,
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 09:37 PM
Saturday

Leading to speculation Trump was throwing his weight around. But that seating order was not what was used. Heads of states were in the first row, alphabetically according to their French names. I think the Catholic dignitaries may have been front row in a different side.

dflprincess

(28,778 posts)
30. The Vatican said it would seat all royalty together and not differentiate between Catholic and non-Catholic
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 10:02 PM
Saturday

still doesn't explain Trump.

Jacson6

(1,169 posts)
72. These are guide lines that a cardinal or bishop can alter.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 04:20 PM
12 hrs ago

Beside Francis was all about inclusion that DJT hates.

dflprincess

(28,778 posts)
31. The photos and video I've seen make it look bright blue, not navy.
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 10:09 PM
Saturday

Maybe it depended on how the light was hitting it.

At least he didn't wear a red tie.

SCantiGOP

(14,432 posts)
39. "Protocol" is what is expected
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 11:09 PM
Saturday

I can’t see anybody being turned away for a breech of the dress code.

littlemissmartypants

(27,307 posts)
6. Maybe he requested...
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 08:38 PM
Saturday

Being closer to the toilet.
S/

OT
It's Melania's 55th birthday today. Oh, well.

❤️

niyad

(123,434 posts)
10. And she spent it at a funeral. .sitting next to her loving spouse. Perfect day.
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 09:02 PM
Saturday

oh, and she has to fly back and forth with him.

BigmanPigman

(52,916 posts)
42. I feel badly for those with functioning olfactory senses
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 11:22 PM
Saturday

being forced to sit near Mr. Farts A. Lot. PU!

I hope they had many scented tissues in their possession beforehand.

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Red Mountain

(2,062 posts)
12. They knew how to shut him up
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 09:16 PM
Saturday

and wanted the day to be about the funeral, not $trump and his ego.

He wore a blue suit. Not a terrible slight but noticeable where he was seated. Unique where he was seated, even.

Broader crowd view shows more blue suits.

They didn't do him any favors. Made him look like an asshole outlier.

Ms. Toad

(36,727 posts)
20. They didn't.
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 09:33 PM
Saturday

State leaders were seated in the first row, with Argentina first, and Italy second (for obvious reasons). After that, they were seated alphabetically, using their French names. In French, the United States begins with an E. Pretty close to the beginning of the alphabet.

niyad

(123,434 posts)
23. From what I had read on Friday, heads of state would be seated as you indicated. .
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 09:37 PM
Saturday

but in the third row. Crowned heads, etc, first and second rows.

Ms. Toad

(36,727 posts)
45. That was the thinking in advance, by a number of people,
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 11:59 PM
Saturday

But it turned out to be incorrect.

sl8

(16,366 posts)
25. Dang it.
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 09:42 PM
Saturday

I was writing essentially the same thing, but a few minutes behind you.

Curses - foiled again.

sl8

(16,366 posts)
21. If they did break protocol, it wasn't just for Trump.
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 09:36 PM
Saturday

There were plenty of other presidents in the front row other than Trump. They were arranged alphabetically (except for Argentina and Italy), by their country's French names ( e.g., "États-Unis", not "United States" ). Trump was seated with Estonia and Spain (Espagne) on one side of him and Finland and France on the other. The Spanish head (heads?) of state is royalty, the other three I mentioned are presidents.

LisaM

(29,125 posts)
28. Melania appeared to be trying to dress like Jackie Kennedy
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 09:55 PM
Saturday

at JFK's funeral. She looked as if she were wearing widow's weeds, which seems wildly inappropriate.

LisaM

(29,125 posts)
38. Yeah, she kept reminding me of something...
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 11:06 PM
Saturday

then it hit me. Surprised she didn't bring along a small child to salute the coffin.

Cha

(309,990 posts)
41. I just looked it up... she a "practicing Roman Catholic"..
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 11:17 PM
Saturday

but she's heartless and soulless so that makes her a freaking world class Hypocrite

Iamscrewed

(160 posts)
34. Insanity
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 10:14 PM
Saturday

Or just us. The rest of the world went nuts unfortunately we're along for the ride.

Meowmee

(8,758 posts)
48. Do we know that they did?
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 12:15 AM
Yesterday

I saw one article mentioned here that said he would be in the third row, but was that coming from the Vatican?

doc03

(37,744 posts)
58. Of all the things Trump has done I can't believe we are still talking about
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 06:52 AM
22 hrs ago

a blue suit. It is not like he showed up dressed like Kid Rock. If he wore a black suit, he would still an asshole.

Buns_of_Fire

(18,380 posts)
59. I suspected they'd tweak the arrangements as necessary
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 07:14 AM
21 hrs ago

to ensure that this remained Pope Francis' day, not "American Shitstain Starts Riot at Pope's Funeral" day.

tavernier

(13,648 posts)
61. It's the old joke: Where can a 500 pound Gorilla sit?
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 08:03 AM
20 hrs ago

Answer: Anywhere he wants.

Rump is an easily triggered lunatic with a grenade in his pocket. Best to keep him calm while around other humans and sprinkle the room with Holy Water once he leaves.

niyad

(123,434 posts)
66. Snicker. I can just see the Vatican clean-up team with gallon jugs of
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 09:28 AM
19 hrs ago

holy water spraying everything he came in contact with down.

Midnight Writer

(23,765 posts)
70. Because the Church is a business and conservative Americans are its most lucrative customer.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 02:57 PM
13 hrs ago
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