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YoshidaYui

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This message was self-deleted by its author (Original Post) YoshidaYui Apr 27 OP
Wow. Joinfortmill Apr 27 #1
Someone forgot to tell the San Francisco Chronicle. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 27 #2
METAL LEO clearly has an agenda to paint all of California (but especially San Francisco) as a hell hole. Wiz Imp Apr 27 #18
Monetization. His views jumped to 10 to 100 times what he was getting... JHB Apr 27 #35
Makes sense. Wiz Imp Apr 27 #42
well with respect to our Democracy it IS all gloom and doom cadoman Apr 27 #46
Exactly. Perfectly put. Wiz Imp Apr 27 #49
very cool, you can see from the photos in the link that the place is hopping cadoman Apr 27 #44
A 30 min vid and no explanation. Can we get a clue s'ill vous plait? Stinky The Clown Apr 27 #3
Too few people have all the money EarthAbides Apr 27 #4
It's expensive to live in SF, expensive to live anywhere in US IrishBubbaLiberal Apr 27 #9
I went to fisherman's wharf in the early 80's. Had a great time. Biophilic Apr 27 #30
Wow I was down there 6 months ago and it was thriving but there were closed shops kimbutgar Apr 27 #5
Sad, but video never shows a lot of Fisherman's Wharf at All. IrishBubbaLiberal Apr 27 #6
The Tech Bros 'improved' SF before DOGE. Apparently this is the result. mackdaddy Apr 27 #7
Very very sad cally Apr 27 #8
Wait!, I don't believe this is true! cally Apr 27 #10
It's not true. The guy who did this video has an agenda to paint all cities in California as having gone to ruins. Wiz Imp Apr 27 #16
There are a bunch of people making videos like that JI7 Apr 27 #19
Tell me bdamomma Apr 27 #11
The video is BULLSHIT. Fisherman's Wharf is alive and well. (sure some places have closed and others are opening Wiz Imp Apr 27 #15
Cannery Row is in Monterey Retrograde Apr 27 #20
The Cannery is an old historic building that is now a shopping mall. Demobrat Apr 27 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author YoshidaYui Apr 27 #21
The Pandemic didn't help AND NEITHER HAS TRUMP.... YoshidaYui Apr 27 #25
Bullshit Video Wiz Imp Apr 27 #12
"Nobody goes there - it's too crowded" Retrograde Apr 27 #24
Yeah. Looking back, up to April 2023 it was all normal travel and events, but since June 2023... JHB Apr 27 #26
cops gotta eat too Retrograde Apr 27 #39
My favorite coffee shop is around the corner Demobrat Apr 28 #50
Alioto's closed in 2020. It never reopened after closing during the pandemic. Sibelius Fan Apr 27 #13
Loved That Restaurant ProfessorGAC Apr 27 #34
The City of SF screwed The Grotto IrishBubbaLiberal Apr 27 #14
I live near there senseandsensibility Apr 27 #17
I've been going to The City since 1976, the wharf area too IrishBubbaLiberal Apr 27 #22
I live in North Beach and shop at the Trader Joe's down there. Demobrat Apr 27 #29
I was there at the end of June last year PlanetBev Apr 27 #23
Shhh senseandsensibility Apr 27 #28
I wonder how Pier 39 is doing. that's where I went last time I was in SF. Demovictory9 Apr 27 #27
It's always busy. I walk over to check out the sea lions often. Demobrat Apr 27 #31
i was out there not long ago and was totally disappointed YoshidaYui Apr 27 #33
Oh thats sad. I was there right before Covid. News shows that the big fancy sf mall has emptied out Demovictory9 Apr 27 #40
Maybe this post should be removed? bif Apr 27 #36
This troll's youtube is all about the horrors of living in Democratic cities. AZLD4Candidate Apr 27 #37
Theres a guy who does that to LA too Demovictory9 Apr 27 #41
This guy made some "LA is a hell hole" videos as well. Wiz Imp Apr 27 #45
My wife & I go to West Hollywood & Beverly Hills every year. Callie1979 Apr 28 #53
I'm one of those San Franciscans who actually goes frequently to Fisherman's Wharf. This is bullshit. NBachers Apr 27 #38
I'd go back, and visit SF if I could. Had a wondetful time waaay back. electric_blue68 Apr 27 #43
Perfect comment I found from someone on one of this guys other videos: Wiz Imp Apr 27 #47
Well, that's sad about Alioto's. I remember eating there with our family in the early 1960s. Liberal In Texas Apr 27 #48
This is manipulative bullshit - you know Fox and it's ilk LOVE this! Earthrise Apr 28 #51
I'm not clicking on that dumbfuck's video links. Basso8vb Apr 28 #52

Joinfortmill

(18,060 posts)
1. Wow.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 05:29 PM
Apr 27

mahatmakanejeeves

(64,704 posts)
2. Someone forgot to tell the San Francisco Chronicle.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 05:35 PM
Apr 27

Wiz Imp

(5,084 posts)
18. METAL LEO clearly has an agenda to paint all of California (but especially San Francisco) as a hell hole.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 06:54 PM
Apr 27

I have no idea what his motive is, but none of his video titles are true.

JHB

(37,683 posts)
35. Monetization. His views jumped to 10 to 100 times what he was getting...
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 08:11 PM
Apr 27

...when he was just doing travel- and event-videos.

Wiz Imp

(5,084 posts)
42. Makes sense.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 09:55 PM
Apr 27

But it's a rather hateful way of making money - lying to the world that everything is all doom and gloom.

cadoman

(1,265 posts)
46. well with respect to our Democracy it IS all gloom and doom
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 10:16 PM
Apr 27

But I think we can all agree that California is resisting that evil better than most states. Democracy is in its DNA.

I suspect a lot of what is hurting the wharf is our Nazi immigration policy. No immigrants to work = no stores open.

Wiz Imp

(5,084 posts)
49. Exactly. Perfectly put.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 10:25 PM
Apr 27

cadoman

(1,265 posts)
44. very cool, you can see from the photos in the link that the place is hopping
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 10:14 PM
Apr 27

Not sure what the video was supposed to be showing.

Stinky The Clown

(68,602 posts)
3. A 30 min vid and no explanation. Can we get a clue s'ill vous plait?
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 06:00 PM
Apr 27

merci

EarthAbides

(290 posts)
4. Too few people have all the money
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 06:04 PM
Apr 27

Income inequality at it's finest. And if the rich would pay their fair share of taxes imagine all the townhouses you could build here.

IrishBubbaLiberal

(1,673 posts)
9. It's expensive to live in SF, expensive to live anywhere in US
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 06:40 PM
Apr 27

Sadly this shows people just do not have disposable income.

BUT I can tell you all those retail stores around SF Fisherman’s Whatf
were OVERBUILT.

I was there even BEFORE PIER 39 was built.

And since that time a lot of Fisherman’s Wharf retail areas
expanded beyond what it could support.

Sadly though Alioto’s was a KEY tenant, and that triggered
a chain reaction downward spiral, Pandemic hurt area,
Too many tourists stopped coming to spend money,
More and more tourists just do NOT buy from retail stores there.

I NEVER went to SF fisherman’s wharf,,,
That’s for the tourists.


Biophilic

(5,642 posts)
30. I went to fisherman's wharf in the early 80's. Had a great time.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 07:53 PM
Apr 27

But, than, I was a tourist. Open to experiencing anything new I could. I was young and open to experiencing new things.

kimbutgar

(25,118 posts)
5. Wow I was down there 6 months ago and it was thriving but there were closed shops
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 06:22 PM
Apr 27

Alito’s closing was so heart breaking. My Grandfather used to say it was the only restaurant in the 20’s and 30’s that served minorities. And I loved the Tarantinos upstairs dining and views. That said Pier 39 is thriving and that giant Ferris wheel lawns has a line !

IrishBubbaLiberal

(1,673 posts)
6. Sad, but video never shows a lot of Fisherman's Wharf at All.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 06:25 PM
Apr 27

Video has Nothing on PIER 39

Video has..
Nothing on the far Westside of area either
Nothing about Ghirardelli Square either.
Nothing about SCOMA’S
Nothing about the ships museum

I remember news when they closed down.
Alito’s used to be extremely crowded, with usually a wait too


Looks like..renovations at
https://www.nps.gov/safr/index.htm

Hyde Street Pier Closure
Date Posted: 10/25/2024Alert 2, Severity closure, Hyde Street Pier Closure
Hyde Street Pier and access to historic ships will be closed to public until further notice starting 11/04/2024 in preparation for Hyde Street Pier renovation work.

mackdaddy

(1,769 posts)
7. The Tech Bros 'improved' SF before DOGE. Apparently this is the result.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 06:28 PM
Apr 27

All the same names from August of last year we are hearing daily now.

https://ksqd.org/sad-francisco-jd-vance-and-the-tech-bros-of-san-francisco-part-1/#gsc.tab=0

Now they are 'improving' the whole country...

cally

(21,751 posts)
8. Very very sad
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 06:36 PM
Apr 27

I have been visiting for 65 years as a long time Bay Area restaurant. A great aunt and uncle used to take us to Alioto’s for special occasions. More times I ate crab or shrimp cocktails from the outside vendors. As a young teen, I took a bus and cable car there with my best friend to Christmas shop. I even worked for awhile at a souvenir shop. So many memories and good times.

cally

(21,751 posts)
10. Wait!, I don't believe this is true!
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 06:40 PM
Apr 27

Just a quick search and it looks like SF closed some leases and plans re-development. I’m not sure it’s a good or bad idea but this video does not explain all this and nuance.

Wiz Imp

(5,084 posts)
16. It's not true. The guy who did this video has an agenda to paint all cities in California as having gone to ruins.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 06:50 PM
Apr 27

I'm not sure what point he is trying to make, but it's not true.

JI7

(91,944 posts)
19. There are a bunch of people making videos like that
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 06:59 PM
Apr 27

and people fall for that shit.

I saw one recently where the idiot went into a store which was very empty and tried to say it was because California allowed theft.

Turns out it was a Rite Aid and their empty shelves is a nationwide issue because of bankruptcy.

bdamomma

(68,279 posts)
11. Tell me
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 06:41 PM
Apr 27

Yoshida, was this a gradual closing of all these iconic restaurants??? This is so sad. Cannery Row???? gone.

Retrograde

(11,104 posts)
20. Cannery Row is in Monterey
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 07:12 PM
Apr 27

about 100 miles and several counties south of SF. It died in the 1950s as a result of overfishing. It was being converted into a tourist trap about the time I moved here in the 70s. There’s a nice walking trail along the shoreline from downtown Monterey to Pacific Grove and the aquarium (do NOT go when the schools are out) but the area is mostly shops selling trash and mediocre food. The views are free, though, and you can see harbor seals and sea otters. Monterey has its own Fisherman’s Wharf that’s like SF’s was decades ago, and an actual working wharf where actual fishers bring their catch.

Demobrat

(10,160 posts)
32. The Cannery is an old historic building that is now a shopping mall.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 08:02 PM
Apr 27

Down at the wharf.

Response to bdamomma (Reply #11)

YoshidaYui

(43,718 posts)
25. The Pandemic didn't help AND NEITHER HAS TRUMP....
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 07:34 PM
Apr 27

I LIVE AND WORKED at fisherman's Wharf at what used to be an ART gallery by the cable car turn around, I know the places he has gone to and believe me I know TRUMP is making it nearly impossible for TOURISTS to want to come to the city, not to mention FOX NEWS SHOWING stores and cars being broken into, Even if the crime has subsided, PEOPLE STILL DO not want to come to the city, We had many Candian visitors as well as people from Asia and Europe. TRUMP IS TURNING this country into a shit hole country and since tourism drives the city, its way down ... the prices here are still expensive and when the TARRIFFS go into effect , it will kill a lot of business...

Wiz Imp

(5,084 posts)
12. Bullshit Video
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 06:43 PM
Apr 27

The guy who made this video is obsessed with making misleading or outright fake videos like this. Some of his recent titles:

Berkeley is now a TOTAL ghost town
San Jose is now completely DESOLATED
downtown Portland EMPTY everyone left…
every store is CLOSED in HOLLYWOOD
every restaurant is CLOSED in San Francisco
every store is CLOSED in Sacramento
every store is CLOSED in Oakland
Every hotel is CLOSING in San Francisco downtown

I'm not sure what his agenda is, but I can assure you that none of those video titles are remotely close to being true representations of reality. It's all BULLSHIT!

Retrograde

(11,104 posts)
24. "Nobody goes there - it's too crowded"
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 07:27 PM
Apr 27

Attributed to Yogi Berra. Now, I haven't gone to San Francisco as much as I used to before the pandemic, but when I was in Golden Gate Park a week ago it seemed full of people. We had lunch at a very crowded restaurant a short walk from the park, and noticed a new Chinese place I'd like to try next time I'm in the neighborhood.

JHB

(37,683 posts)
26. Yeah. Looking back, up to April 2023 it was all normal travel and events, but since June 2023...
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 07:46 PM
Apr 27

...it's all "Everything's CLOSED", "Everything's wrecked!", featuring lots of selective shots and voiceovers.

"You ever see a cop guarding a Starbucks?" -- over a shot of a police officer outside a Starbucks having a coffee, with no sign that he's "guarding" anything.

And surprise, surprise, since he went negative, the number of views on his videos are 10 to 100 times more than he was getting previously. It's a business plan, baby!

Retrograde

(11,104 posts)
39. cops gotta eat too
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 09:42 PM
Apr 27

Many years ago I was having lunch at a now-defunct burger place near my house. Also eating there were police from 3 different cities and the Highway Patrol, between 10-12 total. We must have been having quite the crime wave!








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Demobrat

(10,160 posts)
50. My favorite coffee shop is around the corner
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 05:15 PM
Apr 28

from the police station. At certain times, when the shifts change, there will be half a dozen cops in uniform hanging out in there. I call it the safest place in San Francisco.

Sibelius Fan

(24,694 posts)
13. Alioto's closed in 2020. It never reopened after closing during the pandemic.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 06:44 PM
Apr 27

ProfessorGAC

(72,749 posts)
34. Loved That Restaurant
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 08:05 PM
Apr 27

Was there the first time as a little kid in 1965.
My dad took 2 weeks of vacation and drove to SF for a couple days, then drove PCH to the LA area where my dad had a bunch of relatives.
We drove home the southern route.
We went to Alioto's twice while there (my dad spoke Italian the whole time so we got phenomenal service).
We went back when I was 17 on a travel trailer trip.
I even drove from Stanford to SF a few times while at SRI just to eat at Alioto's.
Very fond memories. Sad to hear it's permanently closed.

senseandsensibility

(22,152 posts)
17. I live near there
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 06:53 PM
Apr 27

I watch the local news. Haven't heard anything like this.

IrishBubbaLiberal

(1,673 posts)
22. I've been going to The City since 1976, the wharf area too
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 07:24 PM
Apr 27

I’ve seen PIER 39 built into tourist Mecca.

I’ve seen the once SF wharf of few shops, turn into retail hell.
Full of trinkets stuff.

There at one time was lots of ART work retail stores,
Nicer stores, nicer crowds. and quirky street entertainment
Street entertainment that one really really enjoyed.

The steam of the cooking crab,
The street food, relatively inexpensive.

But then the CRAPPY stuff invaded.
Cheap and cheaper crap being hawked at retail stores,
The McDonalds crowds, not to sit-down nice restaurant types.
Too many shitty cheap restaurants
But still Scoma’s SF remained,

Alioto’s demise was the final nail in the street area retail going from
The famous SF Wharf sign, west down to the Maritime Museum.

And the shuttered restaurants and shops on that street ,
Essentially from Boudin SF, down the street to Hyde Street Pier

And the homeless surge.

WELL MAYBE ITS AN EXAGGERATION TO SAY ITS ALL BOARDED UP

There are still retail shops and some restaurants on that street

Demobrat

(10,160 posts)
29. I live in North Beach and shop at the Trader Joe's down there.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 07:51 PM
Apr 27

I walk over to Aquatic Park and over the hill to Fort Mason often. It’s busy all the time. Sure, Aliotos and Castagnolas are gone, closed during Covid, but Pier 39 is hopping. Doesn’t look gone to me.

PlanetBev

(4,312 posts)
23. I was there at the end of June last year
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 07:26 PM
Apr 27

It was busy with tourists and crowded as hell. Yes, there were some closed restaurants but the ones that were open were full. Did this suddenly happen overnight?

Also, I’m from Los Angeles. I felt a lot safer in San Francisco.

senseandsensibility

(22,152 posts)
28. Shhh
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 07:49 PM
Apr 27

You're not following the hate SF narrative.

Demovictory9

(35,818 posts)
27. I wonder how Pier 39 is doing. that's where I went last time I was in SF.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 07:49 PM
Apr 27

Demobrat

(10,160 posts)
31. It's always busy. I walk over to check out the sea lions often.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 07:54 PM
Apr 27

Sometimes there are so many tourists I can’t get near the railing so I just leave them to it.

YoshidaYui

(43,718 posts)
33. i was out there not long ago and was totally disappointed
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 08:03 PM
Apr 27

that my favorite NFL shop was gone, and replaced with a ball cap place, so where was I gonna buy my RAIDER gear? The RAIDERS website, and maybe Amazon. My favorite seafood restaurant at the end of pier thirty nine where I once had a whole lobster and whole Dungeness crab at the same time was totally gone,. Many of the shops have had low business... some have shut down while others try to survive.

IT DOESNT help when FOX news haters, show people breaking into one car after the other to steal stuff, or breaking into stores and smash and grab stuff like jewlry, athletic shoes or clothing.. and just walking out of the stores. ITS gotten beter with the police but all people see is that smash and grab stuff

Trump is not making things any better, becasue he is hating on Canada and Mexico , tourists from there do not come any more, We had many Vancouerites visiting, not any more thanks to TRUMP , and with him deporting people left and right he is killing the tourist business.

wait till his TARRIFFS go into effect, he will really kill businesses than.

Demovictory9

(35,818 posts)
40. Oh thats sad. I was there right before Covid. News shows that the big fancy sf mall has emptied out
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 09:42 PM
Apr 27

bif

(25,512 posts)
36. Maybe this post should be removed?
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 08:14 PM
Apr 27

Since it appears to be fake?

AZLD4Candidate

(6,592 posts)
37. This troll's youtube is all about the horrors of living in Democratic cities.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 08:47 PM
Apr 27

Demovictory9

(35,818 posts)
41. Theres a guy who does that to LA too
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 09:43 PM
Apr 27

Wiz Imp

(5,084 posts)
45. This guy made some "LA is a hell hole" videos as well.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 10:16 PM
Apr 27

His main target has been San Francisco, but he's also attacked:

San Jose
Berkeley
Oakland
Reno
Portland
Santa Cruz
Los Angeles
Hollywood
Sacramento

Callie1979

(705 posts)
53. My wife & I go to West Hollywood & Beverly Hills every year.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 05:36 PM
Apr 28

We love visiting there.
You can find problems in ANY large city. And yes, policies can make things worse but even where we live full time there are problems. Just know where NOT to go.

NBachers

(18,510 posts)
38. I'm one of those San Franciscans who actually goes frequently to Fisherman's Wharf. This is bullshit.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 08:53 PM
Apr 27

electric_blue68

(21,475 posts)
43. I'd go back, and visit SF if I could. Had a wondetful time waaay back.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 10:10 PM
Apr 27

Wiz Imp

(5,084 posts)
47. Perfect comment I found from someone on one of this guys other videos:
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 10:18 PM
Apr 27
Cherrypicked video that tries to pretend SF is the only city where remote work and covid didn't shutter a ton of joint in business districts. You can safely ignore that video and block the youtuber. Republicans love to hate on San Fran. It's their #1 boogey man so keep that in mind next time.

tl;dr: You fell for clickbait.

Liberal In Texas

(15,228 posts)
48. Well, that's sad about Alioto's. I remember eating there with our family in the early 1960s.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 10:23 PM
Apr 27

As I remember it, it was a very cool place.

Earthrise

(15,735 posts)
51. This is manipulative bullshit - you know Fox and it's ilk LOVE this!
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 05:32 PM
Apr 28

Basso8vb

(984 posts)
52. I'm not clicking on that dumbfuck's video links.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 05:33 PM
Apr 28

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