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OMFG!! SAN FRANCISCO'S FISHERMAN;'S WHARF IS NO MORE (Original Post) YoshidaYui 11 hrs ago OP
Wow. Joinfortmill 11 hrs ago #1
Someone forgot to tell the San Francisco Chronicle. mahatmakanejeeves 11 hrs ago #2
METAL LEO clearly has an agenda to paint all of California (but especially San Francisco) as a hell hole. Wiz Imp 10 hrs ago #18
Monetization. His views jumped to 10 to 100 times what he was getting... JHB 8 hrs ago #35
Makes sense. Wiz Imp 7 hrs ago #42
well with respect to our Democracy it IS all gloom and doom cadoman 6 hrs ago #46
Exactly. Perfectly put. Wiz Imp 6 hrs ago #49
very cool, you can see from the photos in the link that the place is hopping cadoman 6 hrs ago #44
A 30 min vid and no explanation. Can we get a clue s'ill vous plait? Stinky The Clown 10 hrs ago #3
Too few people have all the money EarthAbides 10 hrs ago #4
It's expensive to live in SF, expensive to live anywhere in US IrishBubbaLiberal 10 hrs ago #9
I went to fisherman's wharf in the early 80's. Had a great time. Biophilic 9 hrs ago #30
Wow I was down there 6 months ago and it was thriving but there were closed shops kimbutgar 10 hrs ago #5
Sad, but video never shows a lot of Fisherman's Wharf at All. IrishBubbaLiberal 10 hrs ago #6
The Tech Bros 'improved' SF before DOGE. Apparently this is the result. mackdaddy 10 hrs ago #7
Very very sad cally 10 hrs ago #8
Wait!, I don't believe this is true! cally 10 hrs ago #10
It's not true. The guy who did this video has an agenda to paint all cities in California as having gone to ruins. Wiz Imp 10 hrs ago #16
There are a bunch of people making videos like that JI7 9 hrs ago #19
Tell me bdamomma 10 hrs ago #11
The video is BULLSHIT. Fisherman's Wharf is alive and well. (sure some places have closed and others are opening Wiz Imp 10 hrs ago #15
Cannery Row is in Monterey Retrograde 9 hrs ago #20
The Cannery is an old historic building that is now a shopping mall. Demobrat 8 hrs ago #32
This message was self-deleted by its author YoshidaYui 9 hrs ago #21
The Pandemic didn't help AND NEITHER HAS TRUMP.... YoshidaYui 9 hrs ago #25
Bullshit Video Wiz Imp 10 hrs ago #12
"Nobody goes there - it's too crowded" Retrograde 9 hrs ago #24
Yeah. Looking back, up to April 2023 it was all normal travel and events, but since June 2023... JHB 9 hrs ago #26
cops gotta eat too Retrograde 7 hrs ago #39
Alioto's closed in 2020. It never reopened after closing during the pandemic. Sibelius Fan 10 hrs ago #13
Loved That Restaurant ProfessorGAC 8 hrs ago #34
The City of SF screwed The Grotto IrishBubbaLiberal 10 hrs ago #14
I live near there senseandsensibility 10 hrs ago #17
I've been going to The City since 1976, the wharf area too IrishBubbaLiberal 9 hrs ago #22
I live in North Beach and shop at the Trader Joe's down there. Demobrat 9 hrs ago #29
I was there at the end of June last year PlanetBev 9 hrs ago #23
Shhh senseandsensibility 9 hrs ago #28
I wonder how Pier 39 is doing. that's where I went last time I was in SF. Demovictory9 9 hrs ago #27
It's always busy. I walk over to check out the sea lions often. Demobrat 9 hrs ago #31
i was out there not long ago and was totally disappointed YoshidaYui 8 hrs ago #33
Oh thats sad. I was there right before Covid. News shows that the big fancy sf mall has emptied out Demovictory9 7 hrs ago #40
Maybe this post should be removed? bif 8 hrs ago #36
This troll's youtube is all about the horrors of living in Democratic cities. AZLD4Candidate 8 hrs ago #37
Theres a guy who does that to LA too Demovictory9 7 hrs ago #41
This guy made some "LA is a hell hole" videos as well. Wiz Imp 6 hrs ago #45
I'm one of those San Franciscans who actually goes frequently to Fisherman's Wharf. This is bullshit. NBachers 8 hrs ago #38
I'd go back, and visit SF if I could. Had a wondetful time waaay back. electric_blue68 6 hrs ago #43
Perfect comment I found from someone on one of this guys other videos: Wiz Imp 6 hrs ago #47
Well, that's sad about Alioto's. I remember eating there with our family in the early 1960s. Liberal In Texas 6 hrs ago #48

Wiz Imp

(4,789 posts)
18. METAL LEO clearly has an agenda to paint all of California (but especially San Francisco) as a hell hole.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 06:54 PM
10 hrs ago

I have no idea what his motive is, but none of his video titles are true.

JHB

(37,641 posts)
35. Monetization. His views jumped to 10 to 100 times what he was getting...
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 08:11 PM
8 hrs ago

...when he was just doing travel- and event-videos.

Wiz Imp

(4,789 posts)
42. Makes sense.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 09:55 PM
7 hrs ago

But it's a rather hateful way of making money - lying to the world that everything is all doom and gloom.

cadoman

(1,223 posts)
46. well with respect to our Democracy it IS all gloom and doom
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 10:16 PM
6 hrs ago

But I think we can all agree that California is resisting that evil better than most states. Democracy is in its DNA.

I suspect a lot of what is hurting the wharf is our Nazi immigration policy. No immigrants to work = no stores open.

cadoman

(1,223 posts)
44. very cool, you can see from the photos in the link that the place is hopping
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 10:14 PM
6 hrs ago

Not sure what the video was supposed to be showing.

EarthAbides

(262 posts)
4. Too few people have all the money
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 06:04 PM
10 hrs ago

Income inequality at it's finest. And if the rich would pay their fair share of taxes imagine all the townhouses you could build here.

IrishBubbaLiberal

(1,542 posts)
9. It's expensive to live in SF, expensive to live anywhere in US
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 06:40 PM
10 hrs ago

Sadly this shows people just do not have disposable income.

BUT I can tell you all those retail stores around SF Fisherman’s Whatf
were OVERBUILT.

I was there even BEFORE PIER 39 was built.

And since that time a lot of Fisherman’s Wharf retail areas
expanded beyond what it could support.

Sadly though Alioto’s was a KEY tenant, and that triggered
a chain reaction downward spiral, Pandemic hurt area,
Too many tourists stopped coming to spend money,
More and more tourists just do NOT buy from retail stores there.

I NEVER went to SF fisherman’s wharf,,,
That’s for the tourists.


Biophilic

(5,553 posts)
30. I went to fisherman's wharf in the early 80's. Had a great time.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 07:53 PM
9 hrs ago

But, than, I was a tourist. Open to experiencing anything new I could. I was young and open to experiencing new things.

kimbutgar

(24,927 posts)
5. Wow I was down there 6 months ago and it was thriving but there were closed shops
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 06:22 PM
10 hrs ago

Alito’s closing was so heart breaking. My Grandfather used to say it was the only restaurant in the 20’s and 30’s that served minorities. And I loved the Tarantinos upstairs dining and views. That said Pier 39 is thriving and that giant Ferris wheel lawns has a line !

IrishBubbaLiberal

(1,542 posts)
6. Sad, but video never shows a lot of Fisherman's Wharf at All.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 06:25 PM
10 hrs ago

Video has Nothing on PIER 39

Video has..
Nothing on the far Westside of area either
Nothing about Ghirardelli Square either.
Nothing about SCOMA’S
Nothing about the ships museum

I remember news when they closed down.
Alito’s used to be extremely crowded, with usually a wait too


Looks like..renovations at
https://www.nps.gov/safr/index.htm

Hyde Street Pier Closure
Date Posted: 10/25/2024Alert 2, Severity closure, Hyde Street Pier Closure
Hyde Street Pier and access to historic ships will be closed to public until further notice starting 11/04/2024 in preparation for Hyde Street Pier renovation work.

mackdaddy

(1,752 posts)
7. The Tech Bros 'improved' SF before DOGE. Apparently this is the result.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 06:28 PM
10 hrs ago

All the same names from August of last year we are hearing daily now.

https://ksqd.org/sad-francisco-jd-vance-and-the-tech-bros-of-san-francisco-part-1/#gsc.tab=0

Now they are 'improving' the whole country...

cally

(21,746 posts)
8. Very very sad
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 06:36 PM
10 hrs ago

I have been visiting for 65 years as a long time Bay Area restaurant. A great aunt and uncle used to take us to Alioto’s for special occasions. More times I ate crab or shrimp cocktails from the outside vendors. As a young teen, I took a bus and cable car there with my best friend to Christmas shop. I even worked for awhile at a souvenir shop. So many memories and good times.

cally

(21,746 posts)
10. Wait!, I don't believe this is true!
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 06:40 PM
10 hrs ago

Just a quick search and it looks like SF closed some leases and plans re-development. I’m not sure it’s a good or bad idea but this video does not explain all this and nuance.

Wiz Imp

(4,789 posts)
16. It's not true. The guy who did this video has an agenda to paint all cities in California as having gone to ruins.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 06:50 PM
10 hrs ago

I'm not sure what point he is trying to make, but it's not true.

JI7

(91,798 posts)
19. There are a bunch of people making videos like that
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 06:59 PM
9 hrs ago

and people fall for that shit.

I saw one recently where the idiot went into a store which was very empty and tried to say it was because California allowed theft.

Turns out it was a Rite Aid and their empty shelves is a nationwide issue because of bankruptcy.

bdamomma

(68,097 posts)
11. Tell me
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 06:41 PM
10 hrs ago

Yoshida, was this a gradual closing of all these iconic restaurants??? This is so sad. Cannery Row???? gone.

Retrograde

(11,066 posts)
20. Cannery Row is in Monterey
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 07:12 PM
9 hrs ago

about 100 miles and several counties south of SF. It died in the 1950s as a result of overfishing. It was being converted into a tourist trap about the time I moved here in the 70s. There’s a nice walking trail along the shoreline from downtown Monterey to Pacific Grove and the aquarium (do NOT go when the schools are out) but the area is mostly shops selling trash and mediocre food. The views are free, though, and you can see harbor seals and sea otters. Monterey has its own Fisherman’s Wharf that’s like SF’s was decades ago, and an actual working wharf where actual fishers bring their catch.

Demobrat

(10,143 posts)
32. The Cannery is an old historic building that is now a shopping mall.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 08:02 PM
8 hrs ago

Down at the wharf.

Response to bdamomma (Reply #11)

YoshidaYui

(43,620 posts)
25. The Pandemic didn't help AND NEITHER HAS TRUMP....
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 07:34 PM
9 hrs ago

I LIVE AND WORKED at fisherman's Wharf at what used to be an ART gallery by the cable car turn around, I know the places he has gone to and believe me I know TRUMP is making it nearly impossible for TOURISTS to want to come to the city, not to mention FOX NEWS SHOWING stores and cars being broken into, Even if the crime has subsided, PEOPLE STILL DO not want to come to the city, We had many Candian visitors as well as people from Asia and Europe. TRUMP IS TURNING this country into a shit hole country and since tourism drives the city, its way down ... the prices here are still expensive and when the TARRIFFS go into effect , it will kill a lot of business...

Wiz Imp

(4,789 posts)
12. Bullshit Video
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 06:43 PM
10 hrs ago

The guy who made this video is obsessed with making misleading or outright fake videos like this. Some of his recent titles:

Berkeley is now a TOTAL ghost town
San Jose is now completely DESOLATED
downtown Portland EMPTY everyone left…
every store is CLOSED in HOLLYWOOD
every restaurant is CLOSED in San Francisco
every store is CLOSED in Sacramento
every store is CLOSED in Oakland
Every hotel is CLOSING in San Francisco downtown

I'm not sure what his agenda is, but I can assure you that none of those video titles are remotely close to being true representations of reality. It's all BULLSHIT!

Retrograde

(11,066 posts)
24. "Nobody goes there - it's too crowded"
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 07:27 PM
9 hrs ago

Attributed to Yogi Berra. Now, I haven't gone to San Francisco as much as I used to before the pandemic, but when I was in Golden Gate Park a week ago it seemed full of people. We had lunch at a very crowded restaurant a short walk from the park, and noticed a new Chinese place I'd like to try next time I'm in the neighborhood.

JHB

(37,641 posts)
26. Yeah. Looking back, up to April 2023 it was all normal travel and events, but since June 2023...
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 07:46 PM
9 hrs ago

...it's all "Everything's CLOSED", "Everything's wrecked!", featuring lots of selective shots and voiceovers.

"You ever see a cop guarding a Starbucks?" -- over a shot of a police officer outside a Starbucks having a coffee, with no sign that he's "guarding" anything.

And surprise, surprise, since he went negative, the number of views on his videos are 10 to 100 times more than he was getting previously. It's a business plan, baby!

Retrograde

(11,066 posts)
39. cops gotta eat too
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 09:42 PM
7 hrs ago

Many years ago I was having lunch at a now-defunct burger place near my house. Also eating there were police from 3 different cities and the Highway Patrol, between 10-12 total. We must have been having quite the crime wave!








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ProfessorGAC

(72,412 posts)
34. Loved That Restaurant
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 08:05 PM
8 hrs ago

Was there the first time as a little kid in 1965.
My dad took 2 weeks of vacation and drove to SF for a couple days, then drove PCH to the LA area where my dad had a bunch of relatives.
We drove home the southern route.
We went to Alioto's twice while there (my dad spoke Italian the whole time so we got phenomenal service).
We went back when I was 17 on a travel trailer trip.
I even drove from Stanford to SF a few times while at SRI just to eat at Alioto's.
Very fond memories. Sad to hear it's permanently closed.

IrishBubbaLiberal

(1,542 posts)
22. I've been going to The City since 1976, the wharf area too
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 07:24 PM
9 hrs ago

I’ve seen PIER 39 built into tourist Mecca.

I’ve seen the once SF wharf of few shops, turn into retail hell.
Full of trinkets stuff.

There at one time was lots of ART work retail stores,
Nicer stores, nicer crowds. and quirky street entertainment
Street entertainment that one really really enjoyed.

The steam of the cooking crab,
The street food, relatively inexpensive.

But then the CRAPPY stuff invaded.
Cheap and cheaper crap being hawked at retail stores,
The McDonalds crowds, not to sit-down nice restaurant types.
Too many shitty cheap restaurants
But still Scoma’s SF remained,

Alioto’s demise was the final nail in the street area retail going from
The famous SF Wharf sign, west down to the Maritime Museum.

And the shuttered restaurants and shops on that street ,
Essentially from Boudin SF, down the street to Hyde Street Pier

And the homeless surge.

WELL MAYBE ITS AN EXAGGERATION TO SAY ITS ALL BOARDED UP

There are still retail shops and some restaurants on that street

Demobrat

(10,143 posts)
29. I live in North Beach and shop at the Trader Joe's down there.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 07:51 PM
9 hrs ago

I walk over to Aquatic Park and over the hill to Fort Mason often. It’s busy all the time. Sure, Aliotos and Castagnolas are gone, closed during Covid, but Pier 39 is hopping. Doesn’t look gone to me.

PlanetBev

(4,299 posts)
23. I was there at the end of June last year
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 07:26 PM
9 hrs ago

It was busy with tourists and crowded as hell. Yes, there were some closed restaurants but the ones that were open were full. Did this suddenly happen overnight?

Also, I’m from Los Angeles. I felt a lot safer in San Francisco.

Demobrat

(10,143 posts)
31. It's always busy. I walk over to check out the sea lions often.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 07:54 PM
9 hrs ago

Sometimes there are so many tourists I can’t get near the railing so I just leave them to it.

YoshidaYui

(43,620 posts)
33. i was out there not long ago and was totally disappointed
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 08:03 PM
8 hrs ago

that my favorite NFL shop was gone, and replaced with a ball cap place, so where was I gonna buy my RAIDER gear? The RAIDERS website, and maybe Amazon. My favorite seafood restaurant at the end of pier thirty nine where I once had a whole lobster and whole Dungeness crab at the same time was totally gone,. Many of the shops have had low business... some have shut down while others try to survive.

IT DOESNT help when FOX news haters, show people breaking into one car after the other to steal stuff, or breaking into stores and smash and grab stuff like jewlry, athletic shoes or clothing.. and just walking out of the stores. ITS gotten beter with the police but all people see is that smash and grab stuff

Trump is not making things any better, becasue he is hating on Canada and Mexico , tourists from there do not come any more, We had many Vancouerites visiting, not any more thanks to TRUMP , and with him deporting people left and right he is killing the tourist business.

wait till his TARRIFFS go into effect, he will really kill businesses than.

Demovictory9

(35,468 posts)
40. Oh thats sad. I was there right before Covid. News shows that the big fancy sf mall has emptied out
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 09:42 PM
7 hrs ago

Wiz Imp

(4,789 posts)
45. This guy made some "LA is a hell hole" videos as well.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 10:16 PM
6 hrs ago

His main target has been San Francisco, but he's also attacked:

San Jose
Berkeley
Oakland
Reno
Portland
Santa Cruz
Los Angeles
Hollywood
Sacramento

NBachers

(18,450 posts)
38. I'm one of those San Franciscans who actually goes frequently to Fisherman's Wharf. This is bullshit.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 08:53 PM
8 hrs ago

Wiz Imp

(4,789 posts)
47. Perfect comment I found from someone on one of this guys other videos:
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 10:18 PM
6 hrs ago
Cherrypicked video that tries to pretend SF is the only city where remote work and covid didn't shutter a ton of joint in business districts. You can safely ignore that video and block the youtuber. Republicans love to hate on San Fran. It's their #1 boogey man so keep that in mind next time.

tl;dr: You fell for clickbait.

Liberal In Texas

(15,137 posts)
48. Well, that's sad about Alioto's. I remember eating there with our family in the early 1960s.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 10:23 PM
6 hrs ago

As I remember it, it was a very cool place.

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