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Joinfortmill
(17,879 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(64,455 posts)Or anyone else, for that matter.
https://news.google.com/search?for=fisherman%E2%80%99s+wharf&hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%253Aen
METAL LEO seems to be not particularly reliable.
https://youtube.com/@LeoMetalTraveler
Wiz Imp
(4,789 posts)I have no idea what his motive is, but none of his video titles are true.
JHB
(37,641 posts)...when he was just doing travel- and event-videos.
Wiz Imp
(4,789 posts)But it's a rather hateful way of making money - lying to the world that everything is all doom and gloom.
cadoman
(1,223 posts)But I think we can all agree that California is resisting that evil better than most states. Democracy is in its DNA.
I suspect a lot of what is hurting the wharf is our Nazi immigration policy. No immigrants to work = no stores open.
Wiz Imp
(4,789 posts)cadoman
(1,223 posts)Not sure what the video was supposed to be showing.
Stinky The Clown
(68,575 posts)merci
EarthAbides
(262 posts)Income inequality at it's finest. And if the rich would pay their fair share of taxes imagine all the townhouses you could build here.
IrishBubbaLiberal
(1,542 posts)Sadly this shows people just do not have disposable income.
BUT I can tell you all those retail stores around SF Fishermans Whatf
were OVERBUILT.
I was there even BEFORE PIER 39 was built.
And since that time a lot of Fishermans Wharf retail areas
expanded beyond what it could support.
Sadly though Aliotos was a KEY tenant, and that triggered
a chain reaction downward spiral, Pandemic hurt area,
Too many tourists stopped coming to spend money,
More and more tourists just do NOT buy from retail stores there.
I NEVER went to SF fishermans wharf,,,
Thats for the tourists.
Biophilic
(5,553 posts)But, than, I was a tourist. Open to experiencing anything new I could. I was young and open to experiencing new things.
kimbutgar
(24,927 posts)Alitos closing was so heart breaking. My Grandfather used to say it was the only restaurant in the 20s and 30s that served minorities. And I loved the Tarantinos upstairs dining and views. That said Pier 39 is thriving and that giant Ferris wheel lawns has a line !
IrishBubbaLiberal
(1,542 posts)Video has Nothing on PIER 39
Video has..
Nothing on the far Westside of area either
Nothing about Ghirardelli Square either.
Nothing about SCOMAS
Nothing about the ships museum
I remember news when they closed down.
Alitos used to be extremely crowded, with usually a wait too
Looks like..renovations at
https://www.nps.gov/safr/index.htm
Hyde Street Pier Closure
Date Posted: 10/25/2024Alert 2, Severity closure, Hyde Street Pier Closure
Hyde Street Pier and access to historic ships will be closed to public until further notice starting 11/04/2024 in preparation for Hyde Street Pier renovation work.
mackdaddy
(1,752 posts)All the same names from August of last year we are hearing daily now.
https://ksqd.org/sad-francisco-jd-vance-and-the-tech-bros-of-san-francisco-part-1/#gsc.tab=0
Now they are 'improving' the whole country...
cally
(21,746 posts)I have been visiting for 65 years as a long time Bay Area restaurant. A great aunt and uncle used to take us to Aliotos for special occasions. More times I ate crab or shrimp cocktails from the outside vendors. As a young teen, I took a bus and cable car there with my best friend to Christmas shop. I even worked for awhile at a souvenir shop. So many memories and good times.
cally
(21,746 posts)Just a quick search and it looks like SF closed some leases and plans re-development. Im not sure its a good or bad idea but this video does not explain all this and nuance.
Wiz Imp
(4,789 posts)I'm not sure what point he is trying to make, but it's not true.
JI7
(91,798 posts)and people fall for that shit.
I saw one recently where the idiot went into a store which was very empty and tried to say it was because California allowed theft.
Turns out it was a Rite Aid and their empty shelves is a nationwide issue because of bankruptcy.
bdamomma
(68,097 posts)Yoshida, was this a gradual closing of all these iconic restaurants??? This is so sad. Cannery Row???? gone.
Wiz Imp
(4,789 posts)Retrograde
(11,066 posts)about 100 miles and several counties south of SF. It died in the 1950s as a result of overfishing. It was being converted into a tourist trap about the time I moved here in the 70s. Theres a nice walking trail along the shoreline from downtown Monterey to Pacific Grove and the aquarium (do NOT go when the schools are out) but the area is mostly shops selling trash and mediocre food. The views are free, though, and you can see harbor seals and sea otters. Monterey has its own Fishermans Wharf thats like SFs was decades ago, and an actual working wharf where actual fishers bring their catch.
Demobrat
(10,143 posts)Down at the wharf.
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YoshidaYui
(43,620 posts)I LIVE AND WORKED at fisherman's Wharf at what used to be an ART gallery by the cable car turn around, I know the places he has gone to and believe me I know TRUMP is making it nearly impossible for TOURISTS to want to come to the city, not to mention FOX NEWS SHOWING stores and cars being broken into, Even if the crime has subsided, PEOPLE STILL DO not want to come to the city, We had many Candian visitors as well as people from Asia and Europe. TRUMP IS TURNING this country into a shit hole country and since tourism drives the city, its way down ... the prices here are still expensive and when the TARRIFFS go into effect , it will kill a lot of business...
Wiz Imp
(4,789 posts)The guy who made this video is obsessed with making misleading or outright fake videos like this. Some of his recent titles:
Berkeley is now a TOTAL ghost town
San Jose is now completely DESOLATED
downtown Portland EMPTY everyone left
every store is CLOSED in HOLLYWOOD
every restaurant is CLOSED in San Francisco
every store is CLOSED in Sacramento
every store is CLOSED in Oakland
Every hotel is CLOSING in San Francisco downtown
I'm not sure what his agenda is, but I can assure you that none of those video titles are remotely close to being true representations of reality. It's all BULLSHIT!
Retrograde
(11,066 posts)Attributed to Yogi Berra. Now, I haven't gone to San Francisco as much as I used to before the pandemic, but when I was in Golden Gate Park a week ago it seemed full of people. We had lunch at a very crowded restaurant a short walk from the park, and noticed a new Chinese place I'd like to try next time I'm in the neighborhood.
JHB
(37,641 posts)...it's all "Everything's CLOSED", "Everything's wrecked!", featuring lots of selective shots and voiceovers.
"You ever see a cop guarding a Starbucks?" -- over a shot of a police officer outside a Starbucks having a coffee, with no sign that he's "guarding" anything.
And surprise, surprise, since he went negative, the number of views on his videos are 10 to 100 times more than he was getting previously. It's a business plan, baby!
Retrograde
(11,066 posts)Many years ago I was having lunch at a now-defunct burger place near my house. Also eating there were police from 3 different cities and the Highway Patrol, between 10-12 total. We must have been having quite the crime wave!
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Sibelius Fan
(24,689 posts)ProfessorGAC
(72,412 posts)Was there the first time as a little kid in 1965.
My dad took 2 weeks of vacation and drove to SF for a couple days, then drove PCH to the LA area where my dad had a bunch of relatives.
We drove home the southern route.
We went to Alioto's twice while there (my dad spoke Italian the whole time so we got phenomenal service).
We went back when I was 17 on a travel trailer trip.
I even drove from Stanford to SF a few times while at SRI just to eat at Alioto's.
Very fond memories. Sad to hear it's permanently closed.
IrishBubbaLiberal
(1,542 posts)senseandsensibility
(21,759 posts)I watch the local news. Haven't heard anything like this.
IrishBubbaLiberal
(1,542 posts)Ive seen PIER 39 built into tourist Mecca.
Ive seen the once SF wharf of few shops, turn into retail hell.
Full of trinkets stuff.
There at one time was lots of ART work retail stores,
Nicer stores, nicer crowds. and quirky street entertainment
Street entertainment that one really really enjoyed.
The steam of the cooking crab,
The street food, relatively inexpensive.
But then the CRAPPY stuff invaded.
Cheap and cheaper crap being hawked at retail stores,
The McDonalds crowds, not to sit-down nice restaurant types.
Too many shitty cheap restaurants
But still Scomas SF remained,
Aliotos demise was the final nail in the street area retail going from
The famous SF Wharf sign, west down to the Maritime Museum.
And the shuttered restaurants and shops on that street ,
Essentially from Boudin SF, down the street to Hyde Street Pier
And the homeless surge.
WELL MAYBE ITS AN EXAGGERATION TO SAY ITS ALL BOARDED UP
There are still retail shops and some restaurants on that street
Demobrat
(10,143 posts)I walk over to Aquatic Park and over the hill to Fort Mason often. Its busy all the time. Sure, Aliotos and Castagnolas are gone, closed during Covid, but Pier 39 is hopping. Doesnt look gone to me.
PlanetBev
(4,299 posts)It was busy with tourists and crowded as hell. Yes, there were some closed restaurants but the ones that were open were full. Did this suddenly happen overnight?
Also, Im from Los Angeles. I felt a lot safer in San Francisco.
senseandsensibility
(21,759 posts)You're not following the hate SF narrative.
Demovictory9
(35,468 posts)Demobrat
(10,143 posts)Sometimes there are so many tourists I cant get near the railing so I just leave them to it.
YoshidaYui
(43,620 posts)that my favorite NFL shop was gone, and replaced with a ball cap place, so where was I gonna buy my RAIDER gear? The RAIDERS website, and maybe Amazon. My favorite seafood restaurant at the end of pier thirty nine where I once had a whole lobster and whole Dungeness crab at the same time was totally gone,. Many of the shops have had low business... some have shut down while others try to survive.
IT DOESNT help when FOX news haters, show people breaking into one car after the other to steal stuff, or breaking into stores and smash and grab stuff like jewlry, athletic shoes or clothing.. and just walking out of the stores. ITS gotten beter with the police but all people see is that smash and grab stuff
Trump is not making things any better, becasue he is hating on Canada and Mexico , tourists from there do not come any more, We had many Vancouerites visiting, not any more thanks to TRUMP , and with him deporting people left and right he is killing the tourist business.
wait till his TARRIFFS go into effect, he will really kill businesses than.
Demovictory9
(35,468 posts)bif
(25,240 posts)Since it appears to be fake?
AZLD4Candidate
(6,542 posts)Demovictory9
(35,468 posts)Wiz Imp
(4,789 posts)His main target has been San Francisco, but he's also attacked:
San Jose
Berkeley
Oakland
Reno
Portland
Santa Cruz
Los Angeles
Hollywood
Sacramento
NBachers
(18,450 posts)electric_blue68
(21,072 posts)Wiz Imp
(4,789 posts)tl;dr: You fell for clickbait.
Liberal In Texas
(15,137 posts)As I remember it, it was a very cool place.