strongly homophobic?

necessarily make him homophobic or anti-woman but... Like Francis, I expect he will carve around the edges and his initial changes will be more those of tolerance, rather than "repeal" of doctrine-- but this non-Catholic agnostic is still pleased at this point with the choice.

He's done some evolving. Should be interesting.

Also he protected the perpetrators of sexual assault.

church-wide activity. So, you're not going to find anyone in the higher levels of the church who didn't.

from me it would have been the same. The entire church is complicit in covering up the abuse of children. That's a fact.

Also, I'm not a Catholic or part of any religion, but people who abuse children seem to gravitate to churches where they have access to children who are told that a. they can be trusted and b. you must listen to them and do as they say.

Look at the protestant pastors/youth pastors who have been caught recently.

I also generally have a pretty dim view of churches overall.

So, what I was saying is that on that topic, this guy is probably no better or worse than any of them.

Fact is, even the "liberals" in the Catholic church hierarchy are very much not good for women, children, GLBT+, or a whole list that would be too long to type right now.

Trump is criminalizing the Church's long tradition of offering sanctuary to immigrants. Maybe the new Pope will order American clergy to ignore these laws?

'Trump administration strips schools, churches of immigration enforcement protections'

https://www.npr.org/2025/01/21/nx-s1-5269899/trump-immigration-enforcement-schools-churches

in confession. Something that has bound priests throughout the history of the Catholic Church and has always been respected by law enforcement, courts, and others.

So, Trump's jackbooted thugs are threatening to come after Priests who refuse that information.

If he thinks Harvard is going to send zealots for lawyers, he's in for a very very bad day if he decides he wants to fuck with Rome lol...

Then I’ll be your biggest fan.

I hope he is super "woke".

and say that we are ALL (emphasizing all) made in the image of God and loved by God. Sounds pretty woke to me.

with his Augustine order.

THEY SUCK, and are very much a big source of the poverty and misery in this world.

and influence to do something about a lot of that, but they choose to hoard their money rather than use it. Kind of like most churches (and I say most because there are probably some that truly do help).

When I think of Marjorie Traitor Green gleeful about 'change in leadership,' and tRump posting himself as Pope before Francis was even cold!

crass and insulting. If I felt that way, I can only imagine how observant Catholics felt.

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devout (more concerned with Christ's message than with clergy or canon), but I'd think anyone, Catholic, Christian or not, can see the hate inspired words and actions of Trump, Greene, and their associates, for the evil it IS.

Especially when their words and actions do nothing but sow chaos, discord, and division, and do harm to people most in need, at home AND abroad.

But hey, par for the course from them eh? No surprise.

He spent years in Peru, made me feel better. So will see, thinking he's a caring pope.

and maybe other languages as well. I heard he speaks several languages.

Woke Pope

Prevost has opposed the ordination of women (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordination_of_women)to the diaconate (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deacon),[40] stating not only that it "doesn't necessarily solve a problem" but that "it might make a new problem".[41]

As a bishop[when? (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers#Chronological_items)] Prevost opposed the inclusion of curriculum regarding "teachings on gender in schools" in Peru (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peru), stating that the "promotion of gender ideology is confusing, because it seeks to create genders that don't exist".[42]

In 2012, Prevost lamented that popular culture fostered "sympathy for beliefs and practices that are at odds with the Gospel", citing the "homosexual lifestyle (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_lifestyle)" and "alternative families comprised of same-sex partners and their adopted children".[42] After Pope Francis's 2023 declaration Fiducia supplicans (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiducia_supplicans) allowed Catholic priests to bless (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blessing_in_the_Catholic_Church) couples who are not married according to church teaching (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_the_Catholic_Church)(including same-sex couples (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_relationship)), he criticized the practicality of the declaration in parts of Africa (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa)where homosexuality is still illegal, saying "our cultural situation is such that the application of this document is just not going to work".

...I will think of him as Pope Matthew the 25th:35-40.

(Happily questioning agnostic here)

Getting Catholics to realize what they voted for will be a daunting task.

From this non Catholic.

and that is what I'm hoping Pope Leo will revitalize. Given his career as a missionary, it seems promising.

Re the anti-gay stuff, I heard that he made those comments in 2012, before Pope Francis was elected. I'm hopeful his views have gotten more balanced since then. In his message today, he talked about how god loves everyone.

he has evolved. I'm not a Catholic, so I appreciate your viewpoint.

all the way through Jesuit college.

Thanks for the response.

....the last pope from a fascist country

Link to tweet

choice! Of course he's too dense to receive the message, but the rest of the world is standing up!

I know a lot of the GOP won’t care, but if the new Pope can inspire members of their religion to fight against what’s going on, the world will be a better place.