Normalized anti-Semitism in the guise of social justice activism in support of authoritarian right wing religious autocracies is an everyday occurrence at this point.

Permission structures started to emerge the week after October 7 when mainstream news sources started pushing back against the visceral reality of the slaughter by both-siding their reports with, "but Hamas says...".

Jews denied service, Jewish businesses targeted, synagogues attacked, Jews shot down in cold blood, Jews set on fire ... and all it seems to elicit is a collective shrug.

The masks are off.

Who voted for this president of the United States?

Further, you are pointing at the Trump voters as having a role in the rise of antisemitism.

This is certainly not in the realm of advanced quantum mechanics, but it begs for an explanation of what you are implying.

Can you explain?

..who-is their "Daddy in the Sky" Most left-people have known that for 38 year the Hamas have been trying to
destroy Israel.
Personally, the only way to stop that bullshit is to wipe Hamas off of the planet.

fomenting antisemitism and leftists who are clear-eyed about Hamas’ goals?

As far as Hamas goes: They can take their disgusting Macho reality and leave Jews alone.

It is not. Antisemitism is not partisan.

You seem singularly focused to ensure "equal" blame is placed "right and left", so that we "understand" that "both political sides of the spectrum" ARE JUST THE EFFING SAME!

There is only ONE SIDE, the Reich, that benefits politically from the "both sides are just as bad" bullshit.

I will ask, once again, if antisemitism is a problem on the "left", why does fascism NEVER become ascendant when the "left" has political power?

I am a Democrat and a proud leftist progressive liberal, in part, because I know that if a president from the "left" spoke like Donnie Dipshit...if a president from the left created a stasi police force and sent armed, masked, militarized thugs to snatch people off the streets, based on their skin color, nationality, or language, THE VERY FIRST PEOPLE THAT WOULD SMACK HIS ASS DOWN, WOULD BE HIS OWN PARTY!!

I am sorry, but I read your post and think; my God! African Americans, Hispanics and Women would be fucking thrilled if ONLY 1 IN 4 AMERICANS VIEWED THEM AS INHUMAN! Because right now, it appears that 48% of American voters in the right electoral combination of states, House and Senate seats "do" view them as less than human.

Fuck, give me 1 in 4! That way, the fucking fascists would NEVER again control all three branches of our government.

There is ONLY ONE SIDE of the American political spectrum (THE LEFT), that believes in the "rule of law" protecting ALL people, regardless of race, ethnicity and political views.

That side has been completely locked out of any power to stop this fascist shit, in part, because some people advance this bullshit that "both sides are just as bad". They are NOT. None of this fascist shit that is currently going on in our country, would be happening under a "left" executive, legislative and judicial branch government.

The very governing philosophy of the left prevents it.

I know you don't care about any of this, so I won't engage further in this thread, but I would like to know

Do you understand that people can be individually dickish? Do you understand that there is a difference between individual dickishness and State sanctioned dickishness?

And it is not both sides that I am concerned with: while antisemitism is well known, well covered and not denied by the right, this is not the case on the left. So it is the left in particular, where antisemitism is alarmingly evident but rarely acknowledged by the perpetrators that I am, not as much singularly as emphatically, focused on. I am calling out the bigots who deny being bigots.

Frankly, I don't give a rat's ass whether it comes from the right or the left. The consequences are identical to me. And your notion of the left somehow being immune from antisemitism by definition doesn't stand the test of the reality that I live in. You are essentially telling me that the antisemitism my sorry Semitic ass experiences on a regular basis does not exist. My sorry Semitic ass knows better.

To quote Chico Marx, who am I gonna believe, you or my lying eyes?

Because the "lefts" governing philosophy innoculates against antisemitism ever being ascendant when they have power.

The Reich creates secret police forces to attack people based on race, creed, skin color and ethnicity.

Hate sucks in all forms.

Hate, with the power of the state behind it, leads to the holocaust.

You do realize this is DEMOCRATIC Underground, right?

Maybe stop implying that THERE IS ANYTHING SIMILAR between the "left" and the effing MAGAt party.

All that does is help ensure the party of fascism remains in power.

I would love to see your posts on Reich-Wing sites where you detail their history and support of antisemitism.

Maybe you could concentrate on their Nazi political leaders in real positions of state power, instead of some stupid kids saying ignorant shit through a bullhorn.

I have NO DOUBT what the real threat of antisemitism is. Do you?

denied by you.

You have a theory as to why you consider antisemitism non-existent on the left. I am living proof that your theory is bunk. Consider me a controlled experiment which disproves it. Similar experiments have been conducted in different environments with identical results. Some of those results were lethal to its subjects. Don't tell me that someone wearing a keffiyeh and screaming "Free free Palestine!" while hunting down random Jews in DC is a right winger. Don't tell me that a mob with their faces covered ordering "Zionists" out of a subway car are right wingers.

I would totally agree that these bigots are not Democrats, but they consider themselves to be left wingers. More often than not they attack Democrats.

Don't YOU realize this is DEMOCRATIC Underground and not Antisemitism denying Underground? It has no room for legitimizing antisemitism, no matter where it comes from.

general election by either not voting, or voting third party.

of antisemitism, than of course you would blame his voters. But the Right is responsible only for the steady background antisemitism that’s always been with us.

This new, modern, improved variety of antisemitism is 100% on the backs of the “pro-Palestinian” agitators and their extreme leftist sympathizers.We’re re seeing it right here on DU and there’s nary a Trump voter here.I see it so intensely here that I no longer stay signed in, and am weaning myself off of DU slowly.

not only to condemn Hamas for the attack, but actually march in NY in solidarity with Hamas for the attack.

lapucelle.

And, Thank You for Richie Torres and Tom Watson calling out the Anti-Semitism.

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Netanyahu is out of control in Gaza. Killing civilians and especially children is never acceptable either.

neither is acceptable.

Where, clearly, antisemitism is becoming more acceptable by the day.

The "but" part of your header deflects from the issue being raised.

A common refrain when anti-Semitism is the topic of discussion. Sometimes, I get a "good" laugh when I hear people talking about "intersectionality" because I know as soon as "Jewish" is brought into the conversation, it will turn on a dine and people strip off their masks, throw them to the ground and dance on them.

Out of control anti-Semitism coupled with genocidal intent is exactly what enabled, not simply the killing of civilians and children, but the protracted torture and slow murder of civilians and children on October 7.

"Miscontsrue" the posters clear meaning...

Ignore the reality of Gaza's 20,000+ dead children...

And turn the conversation back to October 7th!

Too "clever" by half and oh-so-familiar...

Surely you must realize and admit that every child who has died in Gaza due to the war died after Oct 7, and had hamas (and gazans) not attacked Israel on that day, every one of those children (who would not have died of natural causes) would be alive today.

And hopefully you realize that 20,000 is a made-up number, that, no matter the final count, includes deaths from forced human shielding and military deaths of young adults who are still counted as children.

No, not every child. Far fewer children.

If Palestinian lives mattered, and if Israel was not coveting all Palestinian lands, then far fewer children and civilians would be dead and injured now.

People who respect all human life know this.

I'm losing patience.

this is why this shit NEVER FUCKING ENDS, they hate each other more than they care about ANYTHING

and more and more, people are just fucking SICK OF IT

Please do a bit of historical research. Israel has extended the hand of peace to the arabs living in Gaza and Judea/Samaria many times. Israel wants peace. the Arabs want to destroy Israel. This is so obvious as to be ridiculous.

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turning the conversation away from it, no?

What's Gaza have to do with it?
Yes, I know, I know, the evil Jewish lobby enabling Israel?

Did Jewish people in the US kill Gazan children?
Do you hold me personally responsible for their deaths?
Well, somebody does.

yup

I’ll bet not.

is shooting through the roof currently. ALL hate of ALL kinds directed at all persons who are not white hetero x-tian men is just at staggering levels lately.

SO WHO DOES THAT BENEFIT?

Keep the pro-Pals and those horrified by 10/7 angry at each other and focused on division. Keep the really dark brown people and the slightly less brown people suspicious and hateful at each other. Keep the Native people and the female people below decks where we can go on ignoring them except to use them. Keep all the natural allies from uniting against opression.

Who does that benefit?

I'm finding the percentages hard to believe. 15% of Americans think the antisemitic incidents are "necessary?" Really? WTF?
24% found attacks "understandable?" 1000 people is not that big of a sample. If accurate, almost 1/4 of Americans have strong antisemitic tendencies.
If this is truly representative, I don't know what we can do to mend this.

The ADL is a strong proponent of the view that criticizing Israel is anti-semitic. (Not surprising then, that incidents of "anti-semitism have risen so alarmingly, according to ADL stats.) That conflation is then used to suppress debate about Palestinian human rights. Mainly for this reason, the largest teachers' union, the NEA, recently voted to cut ties with the ADL and stop accepting its material for school curriculum.

Well, denial is one way to sweep antisemitism under the rug.

It serves to remind me of past conversations and why I've put you on ignore a few times. So you are free to respond of course, complete with facepalm to your hearts content, but....

Who conducts a survey is never the relevant question in determining bias and credibility. It's who commissioned it, crafted the questions, their order and wording. What their agenda and goals are. As I imagine you know.

Another thing we both know is that any unintended error such as mine with the NEA, will be pounced on to imply nefarious motives while downplaying the import of what actually has happened.

It's true that NEA has not cut ties to the ADL but its members have recommended, by a vote, to do so. That is huge and reflects the reality of what the ADL has become and what its agenda is under its current leadership which it appears a lot of people disagree with so vehemently that they're done with it. Unheard of a mere few years ago so yes, huge. And most welcome, I might add...

with the expectation that they will simply be accepted at face value. The NEA did not "recently vote to cut ties with the ADL". That is misinformation.

Similarly, the bald assertion that "who conducts a survey is never the relevant question in determining bias and credibility" begs the simple question, "Says who?".

If you can provide evidence for the categorical claim that "who conducts a survey is never the relevant question in determining bias and credibility", then have at it.

Finally, I suppose it's nice when folks share their "imaginings" with others, but extending it to what strangers on a chat board do or do not "know" is ill-advised at best.

despite any breathless reports to the contrary.

All the folks who spread misinformation on social media stand corrected.

Given the misinformed headlines of a few weeks ago (i.e. an ill-advised "proposal to boycott" magically morphing into "a decision to stop using ADL materials" in twitter posts everywhere, the NEA might want to adopt a proposal to increase efforts on teaching reading comprehension and critical thinking skills.

So much propaganda swill aka hasbara to wade through, it's understandable why average people are still confused about the "good guys" committing genocide and ethnic cleansing.

But thank you for your concern.

The theme of your responses to me - on several occasions now, going back at least a year - seems to be referencing "social media influencers" "all over social media" and now "spread(ing) misinformation on social media".

Is there something you would really like to say? I encourage you to say it!


I remind you that I had already admitted to an "honest mistake". Yet you still imply that I am spreading "misinformation" - on social media (again). DU is not social media, so...

The decision of the NEA leadership to not adopt the member's recommendation/vote, has no bearing on being "corrected". Yet you use that opportunity - again - to imply what is not true. Spreading misinformation is indeed, worthy of condemnation, as is insulting a DU member.

I'll leave you with one final question to ponder. What is the difference between a "union" and its "members"? Who "votes" in a union? How did the members of NEA vote? I've been a member of a union and members' votes - at least here in Canada - are taken as the final word. As I said, an honest mistake. But please don't let this deter you from having the final say at what you think is my expense! You might even work "social media" in there one more time!


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We should all do our part to correct misinformation lest it morph into disinformation.

Add some dogmatic religion with a cruel deity and you can guarantee hatred and violence.

Specifically about historic anti-Jewish pogroms and actions...

And it's really quite stunning. Not an isolated incident or even 10-20 of them...

It's thousands of years... of various societies and cultures trying to "get rid" of them.

It's a miracle they're still here.

In 1939, there were almost 17 million Jews. 86 years later, we are about to return to that level. The holocaust didn't just kill 6 million Jews, it killed 35% of all Jews. My grandfather is from Poland. In Poland, it was around 90%. That is what a genocide looks like. Fortunately, my grandfather emigrated to the US in the early 1900s. I only know of two cousins that survived.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-population-of-the-world

I never looked at it that way. According to Google University, there were around 7m Jews at the time of Jesus. That is a lot of deaths. I always attributed the decline in the Jewish population to conversion to Christianity, but this probably didn't help.

Trump "emboldened" the Nazis

America fought a war against the Nazis and supposedly won.

Yet here they are marching to "take back America". 2017

When did the Nazis have America?

" Michael Von Kotch, a Pennsylvania resident who called himself a Nazi, said the rally made him "proud to be white."

He said that he's long held white supremacist views and that Trump's election has "emboldened" him and the members of his own Nazi group. "

https://starherald.com/alleged-driver-of-car-that-plowed-into-charlottesville-crowd-was-a-nazi-sympathizer-former-teacher/article_23a7866c-6dfe-583c-abfa-290190baec47.html



https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/fights-in-advance-of-saturday-protest-in-charlottesville/2017/08/12/155fb636-7f13-11e7-83c7-5bd5460f0d7e_story.html?utm_term=.b54a0162fe07

A Nazi is a person with a NSDAP membership number issued before May, 1945...


An incel wannabee loser in Mommy's basement... is a "neo-nazi"