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Amaryllis

(10,580 posts)
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 11:03 AM Jul 11

Tom Homan Suggests ICE Agents Can Briefly Detain Individuals Based on Physical Appearance

https://aaronparnas.substack.com/p/news-tom-homan-suggests-ice-agents?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email#media-c64185e7-010a-478d-a5ee-d06f2c318d8f

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This morning on Fox News, Tom Homan, currently serving as Border Czar under President Donald Trump’s administration, made a legally dubious and deeply concerning claim about the power of immigration enforcement agents.

“People need to understand ICE officers and Border Patrol don't need probable cause to walk up to somebody, briefly detain them, and question them … based [in part] on their physical appearance,” Homan said.

This statement is both misleading and dangerous — and it’s simply not true under U.S. law. No officer of the law, including those with ICE or Border Patrol, can stop and detain someone solely because of how they look, sound, or dress. That is racial profiling, and it violates the Fourth and Fourteenth Amendments of the U.S. Constitution.

Immigration enforcement agents need a legal justification to briefly detain someone — specifically, they must have a reasonable suspicion, based on specific facts, that a person is in violation of immigration laws. Skin color, clothing, language, or accent do not count as legitimate justification.

Homan’s comment, coming from a high-ranking federal official, dangerously distorts this legal standard. It suggests that ICE officers have more power than the law allows and encourages unconstitutional practices.

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Tom Homan Suggests ICE Agents Can Briefly Detain Individuals Based on Physical Appearance (Original Post) Amaryllis Jul 11 OP
So an illegal immigrant from, say, Ireland, gets a free pass, based on appearance EYESORE 9001 Jul 11 #1
You are 100% correct obamanut2012 Jul 11 #2
Fuck that nazi. spanone Jul 11 #3
That behavior will not stop until local authorities step in MineralMan Jul 11 #4
This is going to be the defining keystone in the nazifacation of the ICE age. rubbersole Jul 11 #20
That is a definite risk, yes. MineralMan Jul 11 #24
Remember when the gov offered BidenRocks Jul 11 #48
"I'm not white enough to shop at Home Depot right now" Eugene Jul 11 #5
Wanna bet? gay texan Jul 11 #6
Hear Hear! OldBaldy1701E Jul 11 #39
Interesting. Homan appears to be an illegal alien with a possible criminal record BOSSHOG Jul 11 #7
Most white collar crime is committed by balding older white guys! rurallib Jul 11 #10
Wage theft is the largest type of theft in the US markodochartaigh Jul 11 #41
Racial profiling. Baitball Blogger Jul 11 #8
Gotchya! Put your hands behind your back! Ping Tung Jul 11 #9
What an adorable child Bayard Jul 11 #31
Clearly an MS-13 gang member. Ray Bruns Jul 11 #33
Um... lonely bird Jul 11 #11
'Stop and frisk' has gone nation wide...nt Wounded Bear Jul 11 #12
You man racial profiling is given the green light sakabatou Jul 11 #13
Their whole purpose in continuously blasting out these legally incorrect statements Scalded Nun Jul 11 #14
Well I don't like Mr. Homan's looks. Can we detain him? surfered Jul 11 #15
All those posers in vests, masks, and saggy-ass Levis Seinan Sensei Jul 11 #40
I feel a duty to call their tip line regarding every non-white I observe in public Torchlight Jul 11 #16
Jesus. underpants Jul 11 #17
That meme never gets old! kimbutgar Jul 11 #19
America in a nutshell. Ray Bruns Jul 11 #34
K&R... Hugin Jul 11 #44
Homan looks like a child molester AverageOldGuy Jul 11 #18
Child molesters come in every color and age.. whathehell Jul 11 #25
He doesn't even know what the Constitution says Farmer-Rick Jul 11 #21
Kiss qualified immunity goodbye. nt Gore1FL Jul 11 #22
Homan was appointed by President Barack Obama as Immigration and Customs Enforcement's executive associate director of Celerity Jul 11 #23
Can we arrest whites Old Crank Jul 11 #26
Or just for looking like the idiots that they are?? WestMichRad Jul 11 #28
Enough liberalgunwilltravel Jul 11 #27
Obviously fascist oh-man's family-tree-ancestry history should be examined. Justice matters. Jul 11 #29
It's not just racial profiling swong19104 Jul 11 #30
HA! GiqueCee Jul 11 #36
If appearances are illegal... GiqueCee Jul 11 #32
And by "briefly", he means in Alligator Auschwitz. Permanut Jul 11 #35
Prior to 1968 police encounters fell into two categories: consensual conversation or arrest. rsdsharp Jul 11 #37
In that case they should detain ORANGE people Wicked Blue Jul 11 #38
So, based on Homan's appearance, he should be detained because he's either a neo-Nazi, a Klansman, or a no-IQ fascist... xocetaceans Jul 11 #42
I'd like to see some codified differentiation between "briefly" and "indefinitely" 0rganism Jul 11 #43
To the "First Nations" everyone not them "looks" like an illegal immigrant... Justice matters. Jul 11 #45
Fixed it: Tom Homan Suggests ICE Agents Can Be Detained Nictuku Jul 11 #46
If that's the case they better detain Homan Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 11 #47
Maddow Blog-White House border czar suggests ICE can detain people based on 'physical appearance' LetMyPeopleVote Jul 11 #49
ICE should walk up to Melania. Hey! That's accent is proof enough that she could be illegal. Right boys? Denvermosaic Jul 11 #50
WTF? Ehtnic profiling in a country comprised of immigrants? Joinfortmill Jul 12 #51
A federal judge just ruled that's illegal in CA Arazi Jul 12 #52
Up next: "We can also briefly shoot you in the face" struggle4progress Jul 12 #53

EYESORE 9001

(28,591 posts)
1. So an illegal immigrant from, say, Ireland, gets a free pass, based on appearance
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 11:08 AM
Jul 11

This buffoon needs to be dope-slapped in the legal sense.

obamanut2012

(28,652 posts)
2. You are 100% correct
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 11:12 AM
Jul 11

And, there are A LOT of undocumented Russian immigrants in SOFL, and plenty of undocumented Irish citizens in the NE and Mid-Atlantic.

But, they aren't going after them. That's white. I mean, that's right.

MineralMan

(149,504 posts)
4. That behavior will not stop until local authorities step in
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 11:20 AM
Jul 11

and stop them unless they can produce a warrant.

The problem is that local law enforcement in many places is led by right-wingers, too. We've allowed our law enforcement to control far too much, I believe and do not prevent outside agencies from acting illegally.

Only law enforcement will be able to control law enforcement. If they won't do it, it won't get done.

rubbersole

(10,127 posts)
20. This is going to be the defining keystone in the nazifacation of the ICE age.
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 12:04 PM
Jul 11

When the billions of bbb dollars are spread around - a bunch of local law enforcement agencies are going to not only support ICE they are going to want to join in. Beyond scary.

BidenRocks

(1,858 posts)
48. Remember when the gov offered
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 02:08 PM
Jul 11

Used military equipment to local police.
Soon these podunk depts had tanks, apc's and other battle hardware to use against 'violent' crime.

Of course like the shoe bomber, there was only one West Hollywood B of A robbery involving very heavily armed nen. Two. These were one offs.

Yet the cops continue to maintain this equipment.
NOW might be a good time to protect and serve We The People!

It nobody is fighting for us, the thrown rocks, very Gaza like, against vehicles is only the start.

These are terrorists!

Eugene

(65,824 posts)
5. "I'm not white enough to shop at Home Depot right now"
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 11:20 AM
Jul 11
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220473941

credit: IrishBubbaLiberal

ICE policy already allows officers to fudge the standards for detaining people. Homan takes it even further.

BOSSHOG

(43,356 posts)
7. Interesting. Homan appears to be an illegal alien with a possible criminal record
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 11:21 AM
Jul 11

From Scotland. Hey it works. Don’t need no stinking probable cause. Just lock him up. His guilt or innocence is irrelevant.

rurallib

(63,934 posts)
10. Most white collar crime is committed by balding older white guys!
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 11:34 AM
Jul 11

Arrest Tom Homan NOW!

Baitball Blogger

(50,500 posts)
8. Racial profiling.
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 11:23 AM
Jul 11

The government is going to lose a lot of money from the lawsuits, when they inconvenience Americans.

Bayard

(26,045 posts)
31. What an adorable child
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 12:47 PM
Jul 11

My beautiful great niece looks like this--black hair and large dark eyes. She looks just like her daddy, whose parents are from El Salvador. (here and legal.) My nephew-in-law is a former Army Ranger from Calif. I kind of pity an ICE agent trying to stop him.

sakabatou

(45,104 posts)
13. You man racial profiling is given the green light
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 11:39 AM
Jul 11

instead of, you know, getting an actual warrant?

Scalded Nun

(1,445 posts)
14. Their whole purpose in continuously blasting out these legally incorrect statements
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 11:42 AM
Jul 11

is to normalize the actions and behavior of these assholes, and to groom the population for acceptance of these practices...with much more to come.

Seinan Sensei

(1,071 posts)
40. All those posers in vests, masks, and saggy-ass Levis
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 01:13 PM
Jul 11

with no warrants, no name tags, no identifying badges.
… they need to be arrested
Because I don’t like the way THEY look

Torchlight

(5,157 posts)
16. I feel a duty to call their tip line regarding every non-white I observe in public
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 11:49 AM
Jul 11

at 1-866-DHS-2-ICE.

If appearance is cause for a detainment, then it's certainly cause for mere suspicion on our part. We can't be too careful, even it it means flooding them with tips about every single non-white person we see.

whathehell

(30,205 posts)
25. Child molesters come in every color and age..
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 12:22 PM
Jul 11

so an "Old white man" does not , in fact "fit the description perfectly".
I doubt anyone here likes Homan, but his race and age do not make him more likely to molest children than men of other ages and races.

Farmer-Rick

(11,875 posts)
21. He doesn't even know what the Constitution says
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 12:07 PM
Jul 11

The 14th Amendment prohibits government from depriving “any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.” When it was adopted, the Clause was understood to mean that the government could deprive a person of rights only according to law applied by a court.

These Trump Humpers are locking up anything that remotely resembles a good tan without any court even noticing. Trump better watch out he doesn't use too much facial tanner. Racial profiling leads to strange and abusive results.

Celerity

(50,961 posts)
23. Homan was appointed by President Barack Obama as Immigration and Customs Enforcement's executive associate director of
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 12:11 PM
Jul 11
enforcement and removal operations in 2013.

By 2014, under the Obama administration, Homan began to argue that separating children from their caregivers would be an effective means of discouraging illegal border crossings.

The journalist Caitlin Dickerson describes him as the "intellectual father" of the policy, which he outlined years before it was adopted by the Trump administration. "Most parents don’t want to be separated", Homan told Dickerson. He argued that this fact made separation an effective tool for immigration enforcement: "I’d be lying to you if I didn’t think that would have an effect."

In 2015, Obama awarded him a Presidential Rank Award as a Distinguished Executive. The Washington Post article at the time stated, "Thomas Homan deports people. And he's really good at it."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Homan#Obama_administration_(2014%E2%80%932016)




https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/04/25/meet-the-man-the-white-house-has-honored-for-deporting-illegal-immigrants/

https://archive.ph/YaQFC



Homan is the Washington bureaucrat in charge of rounding up, detaining and kicking illegal immigrants out of the country. As Americans fight over whether the next president should build a wall on the Mexico border to keep migrants out or protect millions of them from deportation, Homan is actually hunting undocumented immigrants down right now, setting strategy for 8,000 officers on the front lines.

He was honored last week with the government’s highest civil service award, bestowed on federal leaders whose work gets “extraordinary” results. According to his bosses at the Department of Homeland Security, not only did Homan successfully handle an unexpected surge of unaccompanied children and families who have streamed here from Central America across the Southwest border, but last year his operations set records for the share of illegal immigrants expelled from the U.S. who had criminal records.

Many of President Obama’s immigration policies have been unpopular with immigration advocates who say he has not done enough to overhaul a system that relies on deportations. But Homeland Security officials were intent on plugging Homan’s success.

snip

If Donald Trump or Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) gets to the White House, this former New York police officer could be the person charged with deporting approximately 11 million people who are in the United States illegally. Or he could delay kicking out about 5 million undocumented migrants whom the Obama administration has sought to allow to work here legally, making its case last week before the Supreme Court.

snip

Justice matters.

(8,654 posts)
29. Obviously fascist oh-man's family-tree-ancestry history should be examined.
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 12:35 PM
Jul 11

That creepy unconstitutional domestic terrorist should be put in his place!

swong19104

(463 posts)
30. It's not just racial profiling
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 12:40 PM
Jul 11

it’s profiling. It’s “her short skirt says she was asking for it,” and his “long hair says he’s a druggie.” Back to the good ol’ days of the 50s and 60s where nonconformity lands you in the group W bench, right, officer Obie?

GiqueCee

(2,573 posts)
36. HA!
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 12:59 PM
Jul 11

I actually met Officer – later Chief – Obanhiem years ago! Socially, not in his official capacity, thank goodness. He had partnered with Alice Brock in a restaurant next to Tanglewood after she'd closed Take Out Alice out on 183 west of Stockbridge, Mass.

GiqueCee

(2,573 posts)
32. If appearances are illegal...
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 12:53 PM
Jul 11

... then looking like a rancid ham would land Homan in the slammer in a nanosecond.

rsdsharp

(11,081 posts)
37. Prior to 1968 police encounters fell into two categories: consensual conversation or arrest.
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 01:00 PM
Jul 11

The Court created the concept of detention in Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968). In an 8-1 decision (Douglas, J., dissenting) the Court allowed police to briefly detain people to investigate if the police have reasonable articulable suspicion that they have committed, are committing, or will commit a crime. The suspicion must be based on specific objective facts.

“You’re brown” doesn’t rise to that level

xocetaceans

(4,223 posts)
42. So, based on Homan's appearance, he should be detained because he's either a neo-Nazi, a Klansman, or a no-IQ fascist...
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 01:16 PM
Jul 11

...wannabe clamoring for a Hugo Boss outfit. That seems "valid" based purely on his criterion of "reasonable suspicion".

However, Homan would have been a perfect fit for the character Dim in "A Clockwork Orange", if he could have handled the spoken part.


0rganism

(25,249 posts)
43. I'd like to see some codified differentiation between "briefly" and "indefinitely"
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 01:24 PM
Jul 11

Not that these sick fucks follow legal guidelines anyway. I just want to see some indication that they're aware of any implicit distinction in the words they use.

US laws aren't worth the paper they're written on anymore. It's rule by decree from F47, with no accountability whatsoever and barely a finger-wag from the press.

Justice matters.

(8,654 posts)
45. To the "First Nations" everyone not them "looks" like an illegal immigrant...
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 01:39 PM
Jul 11

Including that ICE hole.

Nictuku

(4,287 posts)
46. Fixed it: Tom Homan Suggests ICE Agents Can Be Detained
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 01:53 PM
Jul 11

Fixed it: Tom Homan Suggests ICE Agents Can *Be* Briefly Detain*ed* Individuals Based on Physical Appearance


They look and act like criminals and hoods.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(126,173 posts)
47. If that's the case they better detain Homan
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 01:56 PM
Jul 11

His ugly face is enough to make one lose their lunch.

LetMyPeopleVote

(166,532 posts)
49. Maddow Blog-White House border czar suggests ICE can detain people based on 'physical appearance'
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 02:50 PM
Jul 11

Tom Homan’s comments about ICE agents being able to detain people based on “their physical appearance” will likely make racial profiling concerns worse.

White House border czar suggests ICE can detain people based on ‘physical appearance’
#CorruptTrump
#RacistInChief
www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddo...

Thomas Keepout (@thomasworking.bsky.social) 2025-07-11T16:32:39.771Z

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/white-house-border-czar-suggests-ice-can-detain-people-based-physical-rcna218285

Nearly six months into his tenure as the White House’s “border czar,” Tom Homan has made a great many controversial public comments, about everything from due process to prosecuting news organizations to his curious focus on Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York.

But we’re often reminded that his rhetorical record is still growing.

https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:4llrhdclvdlmmynkwsmg5tdc/post/3ltoyyfr5vt2m



In his latest Fox News appearance, Homan said: “Look, people need to understand, ICE officers and Border Patrol don’t need probable cause to walk up to somebody, briefly detain them, and question them. They just need totality of the circumstances, right? They just go through the observation, get our typical facts — based on the location, the occupation, their physical appearance, their actions.”

NBC News reported earlier this year about concerns related to racial profiling as part of the Trump’s administration immigration raids, and hearing the White House border czar talk about ICE agents being able to detain people based on “their physical appearance” will likely make those concerns worse.

What's more, Homan's on-air comments sparked quick pushback from Capitol Hill. Rep. Daniel Goldman said via Bluesky that the border czar's assessment was "patently false."

The New York Democrat added, "DHS has authority to question and search people coming into the country at points of entry. But ICE may not detain and question anyone without reasonable suspicion — and certainly not based on their physical appearance alone. This lawlessness must stop."

Denvermosaic

(144 posts)
50. ICE should walk up to Melania. Hey! That's accent is proof enough that she could be illegal. Right boys?
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 04:45 PM
Jul 11

Arazi

(8,177 posts)
52. A federal judge just ruled that's illegal in CA
Sat Jul 12, 2025, 09:21 AM
Jul 12

Can’t believe this is going to have to be litigated (again)

🚨Federal judge orders DHS to limit “roving patrols” in Los Angeles.

The judge finds that the evidence shows that DHS officers are racially profiling people to demand their papers, which all sides agree is illegal, and orders DHS to stop those unlawful practices.

Aaron Reichlin-Melnick (@reichlinmelnick.bsky.social) 2025-07-12T02:32:32.629Z
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