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Jrose

(1,475 posts)
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 08:14 PM Jul 11

Miami archbishop condemns Florida detention center known as 'Alligator Alcatraz'

Rather than spending billions to deport people who are already contributing positively to our nation’s well-being, it would be more financially sensible and more morally acceptable for Congress, working with the Administration, to expand legal pathways for non-criminal migrants to adjust to a permanent legal status,” the archbishop wrote.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2025/jul/11/us-politics-live-news-updates-donald-trump-texas-floods-democrats-republicans?CMP=share_btn_url&page=with%3Ablock-68718af18f08a97237f2d217#block-68718af18f08a97237f2d217

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Miami archbishop condemns Florida detention center known as 'Alligator Alcatraz' (Original Post) Jrose Jul 11 OP
first of all stop naming it using republican framing. it is the trump everglades concentration camp. sheesh nt msongs Jul 11 #1
The time to speak was before November 2024. We all knew this was coming Bread and Circuses Jul 11 #2
Archbishop Wenski should declare working for ICE anathema. TomSlick Jul 11 #3
Except even an archbishop SickOfTheOnePct Jul 11 #5
The archbishop could certainly conclude that ICE violates the biblical mandate concerning immigrants. TomSlick Jul 11 #6
Because not being nice to strangers SickOfTheOnePct Jul 11 #7
That's illogical. TomSlick Jul 11 #8
In the Catholic Church SickOfTheOnePct Jul 11 #9
Your definition of "mortal sin" is too small. TomSlick Jul 12 #10
You're certainly welcome to your opinion SickOfTheOnePct Jul 12 #11
That is probably correct. TomSlick Jul 12 #12
The Code of Canon Law... SickOfTheOnePct Jul 12 #13
Just another woke preacher man kacekwl Jul 11 #4

msongs

(71,827 posts)
1. first of all stop naming it using republican framing. it is the trump everglades concentration camp. sheesh nt
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 08:19 PM
Jul 11

TomSlick

(12,606 posts)
3. Archbishop Wenski should declare working for ICE anathema.
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 08:54 PM
Jul 11

Tell all Catholic ICE agents in the archdiocese they are engaging in a mortal sin. Excommunicate all known Catholic ICE agents in the archdiocese if they do not immediately recant their sin and resign.

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,004 posts)
5. Except even an archbishop
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 09:50 PM
Jul 11

can't just make up a mortal sin...and they aren't going to excommunicate someone due to their occupation.

TomSlick

(12,606 posts)
6. The archbishop could certainly conclude that ICE violates the biblical mandate concerning immigrants.
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 10:13 PM
Jul 11
When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself. Leviticus 19:33-34
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Unrepentant and persistent violation of God's command warrants excommunication.

Would the archbishop excommunicate an unrepentant abortion provider? What's the difference other than the Bible doesn't condemn abortion?

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,004 posts)
7. Because not being nice to strangers
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 10:34 PM
Jul 11

is not considered a mortal sin, while abortion is considered a mortal sin.

TomSlick

(12,606 posts)
8. That's illogical.
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 10:56 PM
Jul 11

Abuse of immigrants is forbidden in scripture. The only possible reference to abortion in scripture is the trial by bitter waters in Numbers 5:11–31 in which the priests were directed to give a divinely created abortofacient to a woman accused of adultery.

Abortion was decreed to be a mortal sin without biblical support while abuse of immigrants is specifically forbidden in scripture. I think you're saying that abortion is a mortal sin but abuse of immigrants is consistent with being a Catholic. God's law cannot be illogical.

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,004 posts)
9. In the Catholic Church
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 11:19 PM
Jul 11

Abortion is considered murder and murder is a mortal sin.

And I’m not saying that abuse of immigrants isn’t a sin, I’m saying it’s not considered a mortal sin.

TomSlick

(12,606 posts)
10. Your definition of "mortal sin" is too small.
Sat Jul 12, 2025, 12:25 AM
Jul 12

"If we sin willfully after having the knowledge of the truth, there is now left no sacrifice for sins” (Hebrews 10:26).

Hatred of a neighbor is to deliberately wish him evil, and is thus a grave sin (CCC 2303 and Galatians 5:19-20).

Being an unrepentant, persistent ICE agent is a mortal sin. "It's my job" is no better defense for an ICE agent than it is for a hit-man or pimp.

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,004 posts)
11. You're certainly welcome to your opinion
Sat Jul 12, 2025, 12:27 AM
Jul 12

But that won’t change the fact that no ICE agents are going to be excommunicated.

TomSlick

(12,606 posts)
12. That is probably correct.
Sat Jul 12, 2025, 10:00 AM
Jul 12

However, the question is whether they should. The Church must decide whether it condones the abuse of immigrants.

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,004 posts)
13. The Code of Canon Law...
Sat Jul 12, 2025, 10:15 AM
Jul 12

...lays out the circumstances/offenses for excommunication. It could certainly be revised, but that's a years (or decades) long process.

The Church doesn't condone the abuse of immigrants, but it also doesn't excommunicate due to it.

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