Israel’s disgusting genocide. Shameful

And yet you say this isn't genocide?

Killing unarmed children at a water station.

Their crime?

Netanyhu's victimhood.

Genocide with Western complicity to facilitate land and resource theft

Israelis are allowing warmonger/war criminal Netanyahu to continue making them a pariah nation.

These are American made weapons blowing up innocent people. Where is the outrage?

The posts about the concentration camps that Bibi is trying to set up got almost no responses.

Nobody posted any support or excuse for it either.

There were few responses when someone posted about the rise in antisemitism in the US except to deflect to Israel thereby seeming to justify it.

We can play this game all day long - vilifying people for not saying something.

The internment, starvation, and slaughter of tens of thousands to two million people, vs. an offensive statement or individual acts of violence. That you think they are the same is a problem. As odious as antisemitism is, it's not the biggest human rights offense in the world at the present time: Gaza is. Though it certainly has been in the past. All human life has value, irrespective of race or ethnicity. It's unfortunate that Netanyahu's defenders don't see it that way. It's clear that to some, the only lives that matter are those of Jews. it's hard to have a lot of sympathy for people who defend genocide, and by this I don't mean Jews; I mean Israel's defenders. Netanyahu's defenders on the board scream "look at me," while they defend the most horrific of policies. Additionally, most of the posts about antisemitism are in the Jewish group, which I don't post in out of respect.

What I would like to see is an acknowledgement that the blind defense of Israel needs to stop, that death camps have gone way over the line. They were horrific in WWII, and they are horrific today.

There is no blind defense of Netanyahu, his party or the actions of the right wing here.

What you will see is the support of the existence of the State of Israel as a Jewish nation - not the actions of its present government. One can hold both beliefs at the same time.... not black and white thinking.
Again, I have not seen defense of Netanyahu anywhere on DU. As far as I know, that's a straw man argument.
The thread about antisemitism in the US had nothing to do with Israel.

"There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true."
Soren Kierkegaard

What does it reference here?
I'm willing to acknowledge support of Netanyahu on DU if I'm shown proof.
Otherwise it's just conjecture.

In response to a poster who said they find it hard to continue to support ISRAEL, you say that nobody here supported NETANYAHU. And asking for proof that they did.

Where is the logic, or the good faith?

This "argument" irks me because I see the intent behind it and it only serves to further entrench Israel's impunity. It's that impunity, decades-long but especially virulent during this war on Gaza's kids and civilians, that has led to the unspeakable suffering in Gaza for nearly two years.

As a corollary of course, it's a face-saving device - an attempt at impunity, if you will - for Israel's defenders now that they've run out of excuses for Israel's cruel and lawless behaviour. They can now just say oh no, I never supported this, I despise Netanyahu! But the facts speak for themselves. They not only supported it, they excused and enabled it and worked very hard at it too.

that are merely your assumptions of what they believe.
Unless I can be shown that there are people here who support the right wing of Israeli politics and the actions of that government, I can't take your comments to heart.

Quote whomever you wish .....

Are there American Jews who support Netanyahu?
Is that what you mean?
Sure there are, of course I don't deny that.
That being said, they are not a part of my circle of friends, nor do they post on DU.
I have not seen anyone here cheering on the death of innocent civilians or the denial of sustenance to the Palestinian people. Have you?

Merely asking for proof or documentation is not denial.

I honestly think that I'm not understanding you.

Which was fully supported and defended through every flimsy and absurd lie and propaganda out of Netanyahu's and the IDF's and COGAT's mouths and regurgitated here on DU to our dismay.

So YES, they supported the actions of the government, carried out by the state of ISRAEL.

Do you not see that??

If you still want "proof of documentation", look up any post from an Israel supporter since October 2023.

No of course they didn't "cheer". But they defended every transparently dishonest rationale and excuse provided by Israel for why the war HAD to be fought the way it was or why people were starving.

The debate on DU was never over Israel's POLITICS, or about Netanyahu, it was about Israel's WAR and specifically, the barbaric, criminal way it was conducted.

And now we see revisionism creeping in
and I'm frankly astounded and aghast though, given past history, I really shouldn't be.

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if he did, he wouldn't back away and resume bombing, killing starving and the ethnic cleansing every time a ceasefire and hostage/prisoner exchange it immanent on the negotiation table.

And in case you've forgotten, warmonger Netanyahu broke the last ceasefire and resume air strikes.

I've seen posts by Jews who are horrified at what's happening in Gaza, and I've seen absolute defense of anything the Israeli government does. To claim otherwise is misleading.

I recall a post recently about the NEA cutting ties with the ADL. In the Jewish group, that was declared antisemitism. Outside of the Jewish group, it was seen as an appropriate response to a right-wing, Trump supporting organization that exists only to promote Israel and its genocide, which you have yet to denounce.

on the genocide and concentration camps? How do you feel about the IDF shooting Palestinians collecting water and waiting for food aid?

Even more than you think.
As my mother would say; what's happening there is a "shonda to the Jewish people."

I belong to a community of people where many are working with Palestinians (in the US) to try to alleviate the starvation and speak out against Israel's right wing policies. There are Israelis that protest Netanyahu's government.

Notice there are no "buts" in my comment.

I'm very pleased to hear that.

now that I have your approval .....

I have .

equates to complicity??

Sure glad I don't assume so.

therefore my "response."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220483139

I’m not sure what’s gotten into people.

As soon as Trump is elected Israel blows up the ceasefire negotiated by Biden. Fascist Trump and the GOP is running the government without any checks. So Netanyahu is no longer constrained on how to treat Palestinians. The US will continue to send weapons and and to Israel regardless of what is happening there.

Pretend criminals like Netanyahu and Trump are the finest leaders….in spite of dead and maimed children or drowned (and still missing) child campers. Their cruelty is a badge of honor to them.

Everyone else is a roadblock to getting what they want, and their lives, even babies and children, are simply meaningless. Both are just as evil as Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Kim Jong Un, and other world leaders who have deliberately caused mass deaths.

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Off by dozens of meters, just by "coincidence" falling on a line of children and civilians.

Liars.

We will get back to you in 2 weeks excuse

I had to spend time with my mother-in-law yesterday, and my wife told me I had to be nice, so I left. I can’t stand to be around them. When asked for one thing they agree with TSF, they have yet to say anything for the past 9 years. Just “wait to see how great it’s gonna be!” They disgust me! I told my ultra-Catholic mother years ago she would go to hell if she continued supporting them, why can’t I be as blunt with them?! Ugh!!

Tell them to leave?

How we have folks still supporting what they are doing is mind boggling. I am down to hating Israel for what they are doing.

any member of DU that supports Netanyahu.
Don't make accusations unless you can back them up.

Is a symbol of the right wing system presently in control in Israel.

It makes something that isn't true seem true.

Defending the actions of the Israeli military and all its rationales and excuses (human shields, command and control centres in hospitals on and on) is what everyone on the pro-Israel side has beein doing and relentlessly, without ever skipping a beat.

They were never "defending Netanyahu". They were excusing and defending the actions of the state of Israel.

It was not Netanyahu personally lobbing those bombs, drones and tank shells at children or preventing, single-handedly, aid trucks getting through.

It was the military of the State of Israel, supported by the whole state apparatus and sadly but undeniably also supported by the people of Israel.

Military+state apparatus+people= "ISRAEL".

Scapegoating Netanyahu - as satisfying as that would be for such a horrible human - for the sins of Israel is not going to save Israel and its defenders from accountability or reckoning.

all those in the US are responsible for the actions of Trump and the Republican party.
Even you and me and all who post on DU.

That's a key ingredient in genocidal thinking. We see the results in Gaza today.

But you are not grasping the distinction between a state, a government and a people. Lots of conflation and now a straw man too, all intended to absolve the STATE of Israel. I'm now done with this.

when there are posts about antisemitism do certain people bring up the actions of Israel?

Because anti-semitism has been redefined to include people like me. Just for criticizing Israel.

We have to defend ourselves by pointing to the obvious: that the criticism is legitimate, warranted and necessary. Not criticizing would be abandoning Palestinians as if they had no human rights or value.

and I don't consider you antisemitic.
You do have to admit though, that antisemites use the actions of Israel to justify their hate of all Jewish people.

As I just responded to you in another thread, while it's true what you say, it applies to the right-wing anti-semites and the operative word is they "use" it. It's exploitative. So not because they care about human rights, justice or Palestinians but because it fans their hatred of Jews and they make good use of Israel's bad actions (you have to admit to that) to further their cause, which is to increase anti-semitism and hurt Jews.

This is far different than those on the left criticizing Israel for its human rights record or treatment of Palestinians in this war or before it.

There are so many people here who don't believe there is any difference, and that is unbelievable to me. It's hurtful and insulting too.

Importantly, I do see that the Gaza war will lead to more anti-semitism as the animus towards Israel might, in some cases, slip into anti-semitism. I read that recently and I agree with that. And of course that will be exploited too.

All the more reason to stop this insanity in Gaza and the OPT.

the only ways out of Gaza are dead or into the Sinai

Sort of makes sense to me. Likewise, I’m guessing if there was a missile attack on an ice cream truck in this country, there might only be video from after the attack.

Read it today.

They don't even deserve to cool off or play in the water, the only relief in Gaza.

How do you tell kids they can't play in the sea that is right THERE?

And if they go in, will they be shot?

Hideous.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/israeli-strikes-kill-at-least-30-in-gaza-as-palestinian-death-toll-tops-58000-since-start-of-war


More from a few days ago ...

A Lethal Israeli Airstrike Hits Near a Gaza Aid Clinic

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/10/world/middleeast/israel-strike-gaza-clinic.html

July 10, 2025

"An Israeli airstrike near a health clinic run by an American aid group killed more than a dozen people in Gaza on Thursday, according to the hospital that received many of the dead.

The strike hit near a clinic operated by Project HOPE, an American aid organization, in the central town of Deir al-Balah, according to Natia Deisadze, its regional director. Civilians, including children, were gathering outside the clinic at the time of the attack “to receive essential nutrition support,” she said.

The Israeli military said that it had struck a Hamas fighter who participated in the Hamas-led Oct. 7, 2023 attack on Israel, which ignited the Gaza war. It added that it was still reviewing the strike and regretted any “harm to uninvolved individuals” in the strike in Deir al-Balah.

The Israeli military has said its bombing campaign in Gaza has targeted militants and their weapons infrastructure while seeking to minimize harm to civilians. The military has frequently carried out strikes on densely populated areas, killing many civilians but Israeli officials have accused militant groups of operating in civilian areas..."