Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

applegrove

(126,770 posts)
Mon Jul 14, 2025, 01:39 AM Monday

Tomi Lahren Ha ha ha!

Tomi Lahren just posted on the other place that the federal government should “let California go” and that California should get “not one dime.” Where does she think the federal government gets most of its dimes?

Mueller, She Wrote (@muellershewrote.com) 2025-07-14T02:33:12.744Z
5 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Tomi Lahren Ha ha ha! (Original Post) applegrove Monday OP
That's MTG level stupidity. brush Monday #1
I totally support this! fujiyamasan Monday #2
Something tells me... 2naSalit Monday #3
Please don't do that! SickOfTheOnePct Monday #5
What's CA's alleged offense? BoRaGard Monday #4

fujiyamasan

(413 posts)
2. I totally support this!
Mon Jul 14, 2025, 03:40 AM
Monday

As a CA taxpayer, I’d love to stop paying federal taxes…after all, why pay if we’re not getting anything in return?

And this woman has a JD from Harvard? So why am I supposed to respect the university?

2naSalit

(97,315 posts)
3. Something tells me...
Mon Jul 14, 2025, 04:34 AM
Monday

That somebody must have either paid for her degree or her willful ignorance.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,825 posts)
5. Please don't do that!
Mon Jul 14, 2025, 07:07 AM
Monday

California pretty much pays for Virginia - thank you!

Seriously though, someone posted yesterday that California should leave, and although I don't want any state to leave the Union, I do wonder about the financial mechanics of it all, since it can't be looked at in a static manner. I think about this kind of stuff whenever a state (usually Texas LOL) talks about leaving.

Yes, in 2023 California paid about $78B more in federal taxes than they got back (~$2k/capita), but it's not like that $79B would suddenly become available if California seceded. All of the military members stationed in California (~155,000) as well as ~140,000 federal civilian employees will either be gone from the new country, or they'll leave the U.S. military/government and stay; either way, those federal payments don't come to California any longer, and if they leave the new country, the local & state taxes as well as the economic activity they participate in will be gone. Major defense contractors could well decide that relocating into the new U.S. from the new California would be best for their businesses - again, an unknown.

Some people (and businesses) will leave California because they want to remain in the U.S., and some people (and businesses) will leave the U.S. and come to the new Nation of California because they want to be California citizens. That will have an impact - no idea whether it would be a net positive or negative financial impact, from a California perspective.

California currently has a trade deficit within the U.S. - if California becomes its own country, would that become better or worse, since now we're talking the potential of tariffs? Again, no idea.

Water rights - will the interstate compacts that currently govern much of the water that flows into southern California remain the same, or will California have to pay more for water since they're now a sovereign nation? No idea.

National defense for the Nation of California - at the very least, California will need a coast guard/navy, and perhaps an army and air force as well. None of that will be cheap.

I'm not saying that California couldn't become its own nation and do just fine, rather, I'm pointing out that it's not as simple as it seems, and from a purely financial perspective, not sure it would be worth it for ~$2,000 per person.



BoRaGard

(6,234 posts)
4. What's CA's alleged offense?
Mon Jul 14, 2025, 06:29 AM
Monday

Resisting fascist G.O.P. Stormtrooper Gicetapo?

How American is that?

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Tomi Lahren Ha ha ha!