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dalton99a

(89,376 posts)
Mon Jul 14, 2025, 09:44 AM Monday

On Jeffrey Epstein, Trump rolls out a new conspiracy theory about the conspiracy theory

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/jeffrey-epstein-trump-rolls-new-conspiracy-theory-conspiracy-theory-rcna218606

On Jeffrey Epstein, Trump rolls out a new conspiracy theory about the conspiracy theory
The president has come up with a new conspiracy theory about the so-called Epstein Files, which is a bit like watching a snake eat its own tail.
July 14, 2025, 7:00 AM CDT
By Steve Benen

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Why are we giving publicity to Files written by Obama, Crooked Hillary, Comey, Brennan, and the Losers and Criminals of the Biden Administration. ... They created the Epstein Files, just like they created the FAKE Hillary Clinton/Christopher Steele Dossier that they used on me, and now my so-called ‘friends’ are playing right into their hands.

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/114842356238631061


To the extent that reality still has any relevance in the public discussion, it was the Trump administration that investigated, arrested and charged Epstein. It was during Trump’s first term when Epstein, facing sex trafficking and conspiracy charges, died in 2019 while in custody, and a medical examiner ruled his death a suicide.

But according to Trump, the so-called Epstein files were written by Barack Obama (who left office in early 2017), Hillary Clinton (who left office in early 2013), former FBI Director James Comey (who left office in 2017) and former CIA Director John Brennan (who left office in early 2017).

How could they have “created the Epstein Files” given that they were nowhere near public office when Trump’s own team tried to prosecute him? I haven’t the foggiest idea, and Trump’s weird tantrum never explained how this could even be possible.

Complicating matters, the president appeared to reinvigorate the story he wants to go away, but changing his administration’s official line. What started with (1) the “Epstein Files” are real and important, transformed into (2) the “Epstein Files” don’t actually exist so everyone should just move on, has now evolved into (3) the “Epstein Files” do exist, but they’re fake.

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On Jeffrey Epstein, Trump rolls out a new conspiracy theory about the conspiracy theory (Original Post) dalton99a Monday OP
Traitor moron mingles memories. Kid Berwyn Monday #1
Muddying the waters bucolic_frolic Monday #2
The Carnival Barker in Cheif relies too heavily on that flagpole Attilatheblond Monday #3
MAGA will always eventually salute whenever their dear leader tells them to PSPS Monday #4
I don't recall Barry, Hill and Sleepy Joe et al. getting subpoenas, or offices raided for said writings. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Monday #5
But, if so-called Epstein files were written by Barack Obama Emile Monday #6
Preemptive gaslighting genxlib Monday #7
+1 dalton99a Monday #8
Doesn't exist but if it did it was written by people we trained you to hate not a flat out angry denial of it all? Brainfodder Monday #9
Looney Toons...That's All Folks sheshe2 Monday #10
the core of his hardcore base is shrinking Javaman Monday #11
He could not tell on himself harder if he came right out and said "It's me. I'm in the files." RockRaven Monday #12
Aw shit, when I first read this post, I thought you were calling him "the frantic yam". calimary Monday #21
It's really time for Obama, Hillary, Comey and Brennan MLWR Monday #13
Throw it against the wall Nasruddin Monday #14
has the "medical examiner" who claimed it was "suicide" lost their license to practice yet? who the fuck was that orleans Monday #15
It's difficult to talk about him, or anyone associated with him, without using a lot of quotation marks. Harker Monday #18
yes it is. i'm equating this one to ronny jackson ("dr." ronny jackson) who said orleans Monday #22
All the outright lies and disinformation necessitate them. Harker Monday #23
Aren't all of his "friends" "so-called friends"? Harker Monday #16
Trump knows that simply mentioning Obama, Hillary and other scapegoats will suffice for 99% of his base Mr. Ected Monday #17
Krasnov is sounding super guilty IronLionZion Monday #19
So his "enemies" wrote a list that Pam Bondi says doesn't exist, and never has? rsdsharp Monday #20
here's what olbermann had to say about the back and forth of trump's excuses and lies on epstein orleans Monday #24

Kid Berwyn

(21,227 posts)
1. Traitor moron mingles memories.
Mon Jul 14, 2025, 09:49 AM
Monday

Russia Russia Russia was the fault of Steele Dossier.

Same for Epstein File.

Hey, DU! More folders!

Attilatheblond

(6,643 posts)
3. The Carnival Barker in Cheif relies too heavily on that flagpole
Mon Jul 14, 2025, 09:54 AM
Monday

he runs his harebrained ideas up to see if maga salutes.

5. I don't recall Barry, Hill and Sleepy Joe et al. getting subpoenas, or offices raided for said writings.
Mon Jul 14, 2025, 10:02 AM
Monday

Emile

(35,885 posts)
6. But, if so-called Epstein files were written by Barack Obama
Mon Jul 14, 2025, 10:03 AM
Monday

and others, using your common sense would tell you President Biden would have released it.

Trouble is MAGATS have no common sense. Like good little ass kissing followers, they'll believe anything he tells them.

genxlib

(5,929 posts)
7. Preemptive gaslighting
Mon Jul 14, 2025, 10:10 AM
Monday

So that when his name does show up on the list, his people will think it is fake.

Brainfodder

(7,519 posts)
9. Doesn't exist but if it did it was written by people we trained you to hate not a flat out angry denial of it all?
Mon Jul 14, 2025, 10:17 AM
Monday

He is truly a dunce.
Cat meet bag asshole!
He is exposed, now get them to look at all the other shit willingly!


Javaman

(64,244 posts)
11. the core of his hardcore base is shrinking
Mon Jul 14, 2025, 11:08 AM
Monday

he's trying to bring back some of that old "magic".

the problem is now, it's the same old song and dance.

they're heard this tune before and just want the documents.

RockRaven

(17,619 posts)
12. He could not tell on himself harder if he came right out and said "It's me. I'm in the files."
Mon Jul 14, 2025, 12:12 PM
Monday

The frantic yarn spinning gives it away (which we already knew anyway).

calimary

(87,030 posts)
21. Aw shit, when I first read this post, I thought you were calling him "the frantic yam".
Mon Jul 14, 2025, 12:53 PM
Monday

But then again, THAT fits, too! Good name for him, RockRaven!

All that distraction… he’ll do anything and say anything to throw anybody off the trail (that always inevitably leads straight back to him).

MLWR

(400 posts)
13. It's really time for Obama, Hillary, Comey and Brennan
Mon Jul 14, 2025, 12:13 PM
Monday

to file suit against him for defamation. They are now all private citizens and he has no right to make false accusations. I'd love to see his ugly mug when it comes time for him to put up or apologize.

orleans

(36,251 posts)
15. has the "medical examiner" who claimed it was "suicide" lost their license to practice yet? who the fuck was that
Mon Jul 14, 2025, 12:33 PM
Monday

loser "medical examiner" (maybe laura loomer? maybe pam bondi? obviously it was some dipshit liar)

Harker

(16,575 posts)
18. It's difficult to talk about him, or anyone associated with him, without using a lot of quotation marks.
Mon Jul 14, 2025, 12:38 PM
Monday

orleans

(36,251 posts)
22. yes it is. i'm equating this one to ronny jackson ("dr." ronny jackson) who said
Mon Jul 14, 2025, 04:30 PM
Monday

"Trump received a perfect score on a cognitive test designed to screen for neurological impairment, which he offered as evidence that Trump was mentally fit for office." (google AI; quotation marks are mine but looks like you already knew that)

Mr. Ected

(9,703 posts)
17. Trump knows that simply mentioning Obama, Hillary and other scapegoats will suffice for 99% of his base
Mon Jul 14, 2025, 12:36 PM
Monday

These are not serious people and cult behavior is as obvious as the facts are to us.

orleans

(36,251 posts)
24. here's what olbermann had to say about the back and forth of trump's excuses and lies on epstein
Mon Jul 14, 2025, 04:44 PM
Monday

transcript excerpt from his show below his bluesky post

TRUMP'S EPSTEIN DISASTER: Roasted and ratio by Ultra MAGA on his own site over his cover-up of the Epstein Files

It won't topple him; it will cost him his invincibility, and the midterms. He'll respond with more ICE.

GET THE ALL-NEW MONDAY COUNTDOWN PODCAST:
tinyurl.com/5avym8zn

Keith Olbermann (@olbermann.bsky.social) 2025-07-14T04:07:51.171Z





By the way, you did notice that Trump confessed to covering up the Epstein files, and Trump confessed to to being in the Epstein files. You know, the Epstein files. The Epstein files that Trump promised to release on day one, The Epstein files with the Epstein client list that Pam Bondi had on her desk and was reviewing. The Epstein files that Cash Patel said included a black book under direct control of the director of the FBI. The Epstein files that were backed up by the Epstein suicide video. The Epstein files that were backed up by the Epstein sewe side video that just happened to be missing the suicide minute. The Epstein files unaffected by all that because all the videos were missing that particular minute. The Epstein files with the missing suicide minute that it turned out the Trump Department of Justice had edited to make sure the missing suicide minute was missing. The Epstein files that Trump told you to stop asking him about the Epstein files. That wait, what Epstein files. There are no Epstein files. The Epstein files that exist, but they were made by never Barack Obama and the Democrats to fool you. The Epstein files the ones made by Barack Obama and the Democrats, even though Epstein was cleared during Bush's term by Trump's future Labor secretary. The Epstein Files the ones made by the Democrats, even though Epstein was arrested during Trump's first term. The Epstein Files the ones made by the Democrats, even though so Epstein killed himself in jail on the nine hundred and second day of Donald Trump's first presidency. The Epstein Files the ones not only not made by the Democrats, but made by Donald Trump's Department of Justice. Oh, those Epstein files. The Epstein Files that Trump is now telling his cult don't exist, or do exist but don't matter, or may exist, but the Democrats created them while he was president, or they do exist, but don't waste your energy on Jeffrey Epstein, somebody that nobody cares about, least of all me, Donald Trump, the guy who's in all the photos with Epstein looking at the girls, or all of the above, all at the same time. And here is the real selling point, the real convincing moment, the real point. Thank you for your attention to this matter. The Epstein Files the ones Trump Junior said contains the Epstein client list and asked, quote, why would anyone protect those scumbags? Ask yourselves these questions daily and the answer becomes very apparent. You bet it does. Dopey Musk has again bailed out on Trump. Didn't mention his name. That will happen later. Megan Kelly immediately bailed out on Trump, and Benny Johnson immediately bailed out on Trump, and Gunther Eagelman bailed out on Trump, and Matt Walsh blog from the Matt Walsh Blog bailed out, and dozens and dozens of mid level MAGA influencers, the morons who aren't making money off this, but just actually believe this crap. They bailed out on Trump and Trump's own followers on truth Social bailed out on Trump forty thousand comments to twelve thousand reposts by mid afternoon yesterday, Trump getting ratio to death on his own site, and Nick Fuentes bailed out on Trump. Nick Fuentes declared MAGA dead. And finally we see the kind of perfect storm required that can topple Trump, perhaps not overnight, but certainly in time to lose the mid terms, maybe both houses. When there is so much bullshit, so many different conspiracies. Finally it has to happen inevitably, inescapably, one pile of bullshit completely contradicts the other pile of bullshit. And when the brainwashed and the brain dead who have put us into this nightmare suddenly realize that both of these things can't be true at the same time, they short out they were promised pedophiles, they were promised politician pedophiles. They were promised that the politicians who were covering up Epstein were the pedophiles. And then one day Trump suddenly decided to announce that he was the politician who was covering up Epstein. And he scolded them and humiliated them and yelled at them for challenging his god ordained right to cover up Epstein. And they said, in their confusion, but you promised us that you would reveal the pedophile politicians that were covering up Epstein. And hey, wait a minute, And in Maga world, seventy seven million light bulbs went off over seventy seven million slightly alive heads, all at the same time, as bright as the Rockefeller Center Christmas Tree so o oh bright. Even the Maga morons couldn't missed it. Trump just confessed, well, not seventy seven million. Half of that two thirds one third, it's enough, whatever it is. The other half, two thirds one third, they're just dimming for now. They are bravely insisting that it's more important to believe in Trump than for Trump to tell them the truth or whatever it is they want him to tell them. But all you need now to push either group forever is to say two words, and you activate their uncertainty. And the two words are Epstein Files. And oh, by the way, anybody still want to contend that his threat the other day to revoke the citizenship of an American born thirty seven miles away from where he was born was just some kind of diversion to get you to stop talking about the Epstein Files, when hours later he brought up the Epstein files and he dared his own people to do something about it. That Trump did two of his top twenty all time most evil things at basically the same time does not mean one has to be cover for the other. It's not like human beings. That's not how Trump's mind works. It just means he's evil and crazy and long term planning for Donald Trump is now down to about what's gonna happen five minutes from now.

https://omny.fm/shows/countdown-with-keith-olbermann/trumps-base-attacks-him-over-his-epstein-cover-up-7-14-25



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