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CTyankee

(66,548 posts)
Mon Jul 14, 2025, 12:12 PM Monday

It is not worth arguing with the religiously insane who voted for and respect Trump.

Just forget about arguing with them. They have "eternal reward" for believing as they do.

I have given up on having a dialog with these people. They just smile their knowing smile and sit back with a blank stare.

By contrast, the voters who are not religiously insane struggle to make a sane argument without coming across as a racist monster so they keep that to themselves and struggle to make a lame economic case.

Just my usual rant today....

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Girard442

(6,711 posts)
1. Yup. No point in arguing with people who come to the table with their own facts...
Mon Jul 14, 2025, 12:40 PM
Monday

...and their own logic.

Bernardo de La Paz

(57,015 posts)
2. It is worth it by using mental ju-jitsu
Mon Jul 14, 2025, 12:47 PM
Monday

Don't appear to be arguing. Agree where you can.
But slip in emotional triggers, because only emotion works with simpletons.

tRumpanzee: "Oh, finally eggs are coming down."

Us: "Yeah, finally. You like coffee? Now that will go wild because we'll be paying 50% more on Brazilian coffee." (Notice the use of "we" and not "you"; for the emotion of solidarity, and no blaming -- they'll get around to that.)

t: "But the coffee companies will pay it!"

Now you can let a little logic creep in by putting it in personal emotional terms, and disagree by seeming to agree:

Us: "Sure. Say you have a coffee company. You have three options: 1) Sell to other countries and skip the US, 2) Pay the tariffs yourself and go out of business, 3) Raise prices because you have an addicted market. Which would you choose?"

t: "But I'd start growing coffee in Hawaii!"

Us: "And you would just wait years for coffee bushes to grow with no money coming in? Me, I'm stocking up on coffee while I can. Are you going to do that too?" (Puts it back in the here-and-now, prompting action that can only make them think of and acknowledge tariff impacts. Stocking up gets emotions involved. Buy five cans and cut back on date night?)


(There are other arguments to use but they require some receptivity to economic logic: Land in Hawaii would become hellishly expensive as every US coffee company suddenly wants to grow there. Or they'd just raise prices.)

Torchlight

(5,072 posts)
5. In eight years, I've met one trump voter who would listen
Mon Jul 14, 2025, 02:18 PM
Monday

the rest simply recite bumper stickers given to them weekly, and have pretty much shut down when it comes to examining all things and holding fast to that which is good in favor of being told who, what, and why to hate.

Idolatry (of others or the self) is a leading reason I'll dismiss anyone's opinion, regardless.

Aristus

(70,392 posts)
6. You could have just put a period after the "religiously insane".
Mon Jul 14, 2025, 02:26 PM
Monday

You can't argue with them about anything.

CTyankee

(66,548 posts)
9. I mean the ones who have left their senses as we know it over religious belief. they are locked into their religious
Mon Jul 14, 2025, 03:15 PM
Monday

beliefs and can't be shaken loose by using reason. No point in engaging; religion tells them what to think and they robotically submit.

ancianita

(41,013 posts)
11. They might do it "over religious belief," but they're doing it wrong. And that's totally on them, because they don't
Mon Jul 14, 2025, 04:20 PM
Monday

want to make the effort to understand. Religion teaches sanity. Reason. Not blind faith and ignorance. It's the people or pastors or even their leaders who get it wrong. The final word is always the Bible, but that 2,000 year old text takes a lot of time to understand, and religious people are as lazy as anyone else. More's the pity.

This is the best on sanity -- emphasizing the human intellect -- I've ever read, by Frank Sheed:
(sorry I can't get an image with smaller pixillation)

ancianita

(41,013 posts)
7. As a Catholic I'm taking fellow Catholics on about it, since they should never have been one issue voters to begin with.
Mon Jul 14, 2025, 02:56 PM
Monday

I've got a lot to say, and if they're afraid to hear it, too bad. (It's called a corrective remonstrance, and I've got many.)

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