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cbabe

(5,271 posts)
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 11:32 AM Jul 15

Irish tourist jailed by Ice for months after overstaying US visit by three days: 'Nobody is safe'

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/15/irish-tourist-ice-detention

Irish tourist jailed by Ice for months after overstaying US visit by three days: ‘Nobody is safe’

Exclusive: For roughly 100 days, Thomas says he faced harsh detention conditions, despite agreeing to deportation

Sam Levin
Tue 15 Jul 2025 06.00 EDT

Thomas, a 35-year-old tech worker and father of three from Ireland, came to West Virginia to visit his girlfriend last fall. It was one of many trips he had taken to the US, and he was authorized to travel under a visa waiver program that allows tourists to stay in the country for 90 days.

He had planned to return to Ireland in December, but was briefly unable to fly due to a health issue, his medical records show. He was only three days overdue to leave the US when an encounter with police landed him in Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) custody.

From there, what should have been a minor incident became a nightmarish ordeal: he was detained by Ice in three different facilities, ultimately spending roughly 100 days behind bars with little understanding of why he was being held – or when he’d get out.



He obtained paperwork from his physician and contacted the Irish and US embassies and Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to seek an extension, but it was short notice and he did not hear back, he said. “I did everything I could with the online tools available to notify the authorities that this was happening,” he said, explaining that by the time his deadline to leave the US had approached, he was nearly healed and planning to soon return. “I thought they would understand because I had the correct paperwork. It was just a couple of days for medical reasons.”

… more … held in prison not ice detention… brutal treatment… barred from us for ten years …
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Irish tourist jailed by Ice for months after overstaying US visit by three days: 'Nobody is safe' (Original Post) cbabe Jul 15 OP
Go after the real criminals Blue Full Moon Jul 15 #1
Real criminals are scary. Not like the taco truck guy or flower seller lady. cbabe Jul 15 #6
They might get hurt. LiberalArkie Jul 15 #21
Real criminals might fight back. The proud boys who joined ICE are not that brave IronLionZion Jul 15 #24
Who benefits and how from the US being hated around the world? Irish_Dem Jul 15 #2
I wish the media was asking those questions. yardwork Jul 15 #15
The US Media works for the Putin/Trump GOP. Irish_Dem Jul 15 #17
Other countries have strict visa rules newdeal2 Jul 15 #3
True. But. Doctor said not to fly. Plus he had paperwork. Vicious bully tactics are causing US more harm than good. cbabe Jul 15 #4
So are you suggesting Biden was a vicious bully? Ms. Toad Jul 15 #12
Of course not. cbabe Jul 15 #13
You did read the article, Ms. Toad Jul 15 #18
ICE was taking their time awaiting Jan 20th IbogaProject Jul 15 #25
Got some evidence for this? Ms. Toad Jul 15 #28
IMHO if Capital can fly freely over borders ... Dave says Jul 15 #40
I agree (completely disconnected from whether capital can fly freely over borders) Ms. Toad Jul 15 #41
During the Biden administration, the ICE and DOJ was really Trumps. LiberalArkie Jul 15 #23
Right. The deep state. Ms. Toad Jul 15 #30
As a party and I believe why we loose is we try to out-Republican the Republicans. I think it we had our beliefs back LiberalArkie Jul 15 #35
I don't know that we would win everytime, but our values are fundamentally different. Ms. Toad Jul 15 #39
Also it's not about saving money. It's about putting money in jailer pockets. cbabe Jul 15 #10
How about just issuing a citation for visa overstays - For these specific situations tulipsandroses Jul 15 #16
He was put in in late December 2024 IbogaProject Jul 15 #42
They're making money off of people's misery. poli-junkie Jul 15 #5
He's lucky they didn't send him to El Salvador or South Sudan dalton99a Jul 15 #7
Still inexcusable - but there is a little more to the story. Ms. Toad Jul 15 #8
Beyond Stupid! Put Him on the No Entry List and on the Next Flight to Ireland. MineralMan Jul 15 #9
That initial decision was made in December 2024. Ms. Toad Jul 15 #14
In any case, the situation should never have occurred. MineralMan Jul 15 #19
I agree that it should absolutely have never occurred. Ms. Toad Jul 15 #31
I'm not coming back malaise Jul 15 #11
Good decision, I think. MineralMan Jul 15 #20
My brother is planning his wedding but the guest list might be short IronLionZion Jul 15 #26
I have spent many lovely holidays in the US with family and friends malaise Jul 15 #34
Cruelty is the point Botany Jul 15 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 15 #27
His girlfriend did not support the accusation of false imprisonment. chowder66 Jul 15 #33
Due process? Presumption of innocence? marble falls Jul 15 #36
Sounds like... SickOfTheOnePct Jul 15 #38
Odd angle. Torchlight Jul 15 #37
ICE misunderstood the term "black Irish". marble falls Jul 15 #29
White Guy Deep State Witch Jul 15 #32

Blue Full Moon

(2,475 posts)
1. Go after the real criminals
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 11:36 AM
Jul 15

Why doesn't ICE go after the real criminals. The drug lords that trump paid money for them to move to the USA.

IronLionZion

(49,488 posts)
24. Real criminals might fight back. The proud boys who joined ICE are not that brave
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 02:09 PM
Jul 15

so they get a sick fellow on a tourist visa visiting his girlfriend. Much easier

newdeal2

(3,437 posts)
3. Other countries have strict visa rules
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 11:42 AM
Jul 15

You do have to respect them. But I don’t know what benefit there is to keeping him for 100 days. Just deport him asap and save the time and money.

cbabe

(5,271 posts)
4. True. But. Doctor said not to fly. Plus he had paperwork. Vicious bully tactics are causing US more harm than good.
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 11:45 AM
Jul 15

Plus wonder how much money was made and by whom holding him for 100 days.

Ms. Toad

(37,345 posts)
12. So are you suggesting Biden was a vicious bully?
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 11:57 AM
Jul 15

He voluntarily signed removal papers on December 17, when Biden still had more than a month in office.

Something is not right with this story.

Ms. Toad

(37,345 posts)
18. You did read the article,
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 12:05 PM
Jul 15

To see that the initial decision was made December 17, since he signed voluntary removal papers on that day - and the initial 1/3 of the detention was still while Biden was president, right?

There's a lot of confirmation bias going on in the article (which implied Trump made the decision), and this thread.

Immigration policy has been inhuman for a long time, including under Democratic leadership. It is undeniably worse now - but our hands are not clean in this case.

Ms. Toad

(37,345 posts)
28. Got some evidence for this?
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 02:24 PM
Jul 15

Biden was no slouch, unfortunately, on deportation

From May 2023 through March 2024, 316,000 migrants were processed via expedited removal, more than in any prior full fiscal year. And for the first time since FY 2010, in FY 2023 more migrants were returned directly across the border, mostly to Mexico, than were removed from the U.S. interior. Whereas President Barack Obama was labeled by some as the “deporter in chief,” this new trend may earn President Joe Biden the title of “returner in chief.” Notably, authorities have deported migrants to more than 170 countries during the current administration, which may be the most ever.


https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-deportation-record

We need to own it when we are wrong on things, and not try to explain them away by saying some rogue deep state agency was holding this man in detention until Trump was inaugurated. This smacks of the first Trump tin foil blankets (pictures taken during Obama presidency) and stolen religious articles (collected during several administrations, including Democratic ones)

Dave says

(5,187 posts)
40. IMHO if Capital can fly freely over borders ...
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 03:09 PM
Jul 15

… then people should be able to freely cross borders, too. ‘Cmon CEOs, you call us “human capital”, let us fly. Freely!

Ms. Toad

(37,345 posts)
41. I agree (completely disconnected from whether capital can fly freely over borders)
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 03:23 PM
Jul 15

It's not a popular opinion, but I don't believe my parents' location should determine where I am allowed to live.

Ms. Toad

(37,345 posts)
30. Right. The deep state.
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 02:27 PM
Jul 15

Democrats have had disgusting anti-immigration practices for decades, to some extent trying to outdo Trump to win votes by proving we are tough on illegal immigration.

From May 2023 through March 2024, 316,000 migrants were processed via expedited removal, more than in any prior full fiscal year. And for the first time since FY 2010, in FY 2023 more migrants were returned directly across the border, mostly to Mexico, than were removed from the U.S. interior. Whereas President Barack Obama was labeled by some as the “deporter in chief,” this new trend may earn President Joe Biden the title of “returner in chief.” Notably, authorities have deported migrants to more than 170 countries during the current administration, which may be the most ever.


Mihttps://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-deportation-record

LiberalArkie

(18,624 posts)
35. As a party and I believe why we loose is we try to out-Republican the Republicans. I think it we had our beliefs back
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 02:36 PM
Jul 15

to where they used to be (Kennedy?) we would win every time.

Ms. Toad

(37,345 posts)
39. I don't know that we would win everytime, but our values are fundamentally different.
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 02:43 PM
Jul 15

It is never a good idea to try to win by stealing the other side's (bad) ideas. It just turns us into a lesser version of them - and I don't want to be (or vote for) any version of them.

tulipsandroses

(7,709 posts)
16. How about just issuing a citation for visa overstays - For these specific situations
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 12:00 PM
Jul 15

Why are we incarcerating people for civil issues. Issue a fine. If you have not paid your fine then you can't be granted another visa.
Exceptions should be made for illnesses and situations out of people's control. If he had Covid or other infectious disease, do you really want him on a plane?
This administration's harsh tactics make no sense. Well, it makes sense for the people profiting. The private prisons and every company that has a contract with these private prisons.

IbogaProject

(4,678 posts)
42. He was put in in late December 2024
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 05:38 PM
Jul 15

And I got some disdain for suggesting ice may have slowed down releasing or deporting people the final weeks of the Biden administration.

Ms. Toad

(37,345 posts)
8. Still inexcusable - but there is a little more to the story.
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 11:54 AM
Jul 15

His medical injury was in October, and his doctors ordered him not to fly for 8-12 weeks. He was planning to leave December 8. The summary makes it seem like he had a fee days notice to seek an extension - when he actually had close to 8 weeks. It isn't clear when he started to seek an extension.

He agreed to be removed on December 17, while Biden was still president for a month . . . So this isn't all on Trump, despite the article focusing on Trump's default to detention over removal.

He referenced a minor engagement with police as the trigger for the initial ICE detention. No description as to what it was. I'm suspicious they is more to this story to have the Biden administration detain him, rather than just grant the voluntary removal.

MineralMan

(149,506 posts)
9. Beyond Stupid! Put Him on the No Entry List and on the Next Flight to Ireland.
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 11:55 AM
Jul 15

Cost? Maybe $1500.

Keep him in jail for 100 days? Who knows how much that cost?

We are truly stupid. We make the absolute worst decisions and then complain about the decisions we make.

Ms. Toad

(37,345 posts)
14. That initial decision was made in December 2024.
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 11:59 AM
Jul 15

Think about it.

Something is fishy here.

MineralMan

(149,506 posts)
19. In any case, the situation should never have occurred.
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 01:43 PM
Jul 15

We, as a nation, often do very stupid things for very stupid reasons. I try not to second guess why that is, but it continues through the years.

Common sense is not highly valued here, I'm afraid.

Ms. Toad

(37,345 posts)
31. I agree that it should absolutely have never occurred.
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 02:31 PM
Jul 15

I just think that people living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones - or at least should not throw stones while pretending their own house is rock solid.

Our (Democratic) policies on immigration have been nearly as bad as Republicans for years - we're just less explicitly racist about it. Trump is a whole other level, but more than 30% of this particular horrendous story is on us. (You could make a reasonable argument that all of it is on us, since had we taken his voluntary removal offer, Trump would not have had a chance to continue the detention once he took office.

IronLionZion

(49,488 posts)
26. My brother is planning his wedding but the guest list might be short
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 02:18 PM
Jul 15

our relatives overseas don't want to come to America because of this shit.

malaise

(286,899 posts)
34. I have spent many lovely holidays in the US with family and friends
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 02:33 PM
Jul 15

Not worth the bother anymore - tgey can come down here

Botany

(74,802 posts)
22. Cruelty is the point
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 02:08 PM
Jul 15

I wonder if his phone or laptop had a browser history of anti Trump or liberal
discussions?

Trump has his thugs in ICE. I wonder how many are former J-6th members or
part of the 150,000 fired law enforcement officials who Trump had their federal
records expunged.

Not gonna be long till more Americans are picked up, shipped out of the country,
and killed.

Response to cbabe (Original post)

chowder66

(10,988 posts)
33. His girlfriend did not support the accusation of false imprisonment.
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 02:33 PM
Jul 15

Thomas and his girlfriend, Malone, were visiting her family in Savannah, Georgia, when Thomas suffered a mental health episode, he and Malone recalled. The two had a conflict in their hotel room and someone overheard it and called the police, they said.

Malone, who requested to use her middle name to protect her boyfriend’s identity, said she was hoping officers would get him treatment and did not want to see him face criminal charges. But police took him to jail, accusing him of “falsely imprisoning” his girlfriend in the hotel room, a charge Malone said she did not support. He was soon released on bond, but instead of walking free, was picked up by US immigration authorities, who transported him 100 miles away to an Ice processing center in Folkston, Georgia. The facility is operated by the private prison company Geo Group on behalf of Ice, with capacity to hold more than 1,000 people.

........

Malone, his girlfriend, said she plans to move to Ireland to live with him. “It’s not an option for him to come here and I don’t want to be in America anymore,” she said.

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,032 posts)
38. Sounds like...
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 02:40 PM
Jul 15

…he had more due process than was necessary. He agreed to the removal order in December, they should have just removed him then.

Deep State Witch

(12,017 posts)
32. White Guy
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 02:32 PM
Jul 15

I'm assuming that he was white. This is one of the few times I've heard about them going after white people.

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