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Who was the main person to push Epstein Gate in the beginning? Putin pal Elon Musk. Make no mistake Putin knows everything that Krasnov did with Epstein.
Why did Epstein Gate happen? Krasnov started to bad mouth Putin publicly about the war in Ukraine. Krasnov talked about sending weapons to Ukraine again, talked about letting the EU buy US weapons and then transferring them to Ukraine. Krasnov talked about more sanctions on countries that do business with Russia.
BOOM - Epstein Gate
Guess what folks? Krasnov is backing away from sending more weapons to Ukraine. Krasnov is backing away from the EU buying our weapons deal. Krasnov is backing away from sanctions on doing business with Russia,
WHY? Epstein Gate. Putin reminded Krasnov who his daddy is.
We all knew that Krasnov was Epstein's best friend, we all knew that he flew on the Lolita Express, we all knew that he was in the little black book. Putin also knew, and that's why this resurfaced.

Chasstev365
(5,770 posts)AllaN01Bear
(26,545 posts)womanofthehills
(10,038 posts)He was smart enough not to be compromised. When you are compromising others you are probably super vigilant.
brush
(60,645 posts)he needs to release them. And if things get worse in the war with Ukraine, with trump now complaining about his actions, he just might to destroy trump forever.
And even I can't imagine trump sycophants brush off trump in a pee tape.
yardwork
(67,263 posts)Earlier I thought Trump was using the threat of releasing names to blackmail people. I'm starting to think I gave him too much credit.
It makes sense that Putin is doing this, since he's demonstrated that he controls a lot of online propaganda. This Epstein thing isn't slowing down.
johnnyfins
(2,471 posts)it was a warning. If the floodgates open and more stories are published, the PTB want TSF out.
Amaryllis
(10,580 posts)Botany
(74,802 posts)(The) Powers That Be
PatSeg
(50,638 posts)I would have never guessed it.
yardwork
(67,263 posts)I'm sure Musk is amplifying it like mad. He figures that he made Trump president and now he can destroy him.
Vance is waiting in the wings.
FakeNoose
(37,950 posts)... whether it has been Pootie all along, well that remains to be seen. The evidence is in Epstein's banking records and wire transfers.
Maybe Pootie is pulling the strings behind Musk? That wouldn't surprise me. Is Rupert Murdoch also in on this? I wouldn't know but there's definitely a conspiracy of ultra-wealthy ultra-conservative white men and it reaches beyond the borders of the USA.
What does Pootie gain by releasing the "pee-tape" or worse, and bringing Chump down totally? This is the part that doesn't make sense. He (or they) would only do that if they feel they don't need him anymore. That's when we'll see the entirely of the Epstein documents and not until then.
womanofthehills
(10,038 posts)Working with wealthy people all over the world - he was an expert in hiding their money.
PatSeg
(50,638 posts)Trump may have outlived his usefulness for Putin. It appears Donald thought he really was in power and that he could do whatever he wanted. Vlad probably has other ideas.
Fiendish Thingy
(20,112 posts)A thousand FBI agents worked long shifts for a month flagging the Epstein files for mentions of Trump.
Some of Those with a conscience leaked to the press after Pam Bondi, at Trumps direction, claimed there was nothing there and nothing would be released.
Thats what triggered this whole thing, and the fact that it originated from the Trump administration is what makes it so powerful and immortal.
If it had just been an isolated leak about a birthday card without Bondis unforced error, the MSM would have moved on by now.
FakeNoose
(37,950 posts)It might be politically corrupt at the top, but I want to believe that the rank-and-file are still dedicated to their mission. They are probably just as disgusted with Blondi as we are.
gab13by13
(28,904 posts)I believe that Putin used Musk to light the Epstein fire.
Musk made some very incriminating claims about Krasnov being on the Lolita Express, being in the little black book.
It absolutely was Musk who reignited Epstein Gate.
Krasnov was bad mouthing Putin about Ukraine. Krasnov was talking about sending weapons to Ukraine again. Krasnov was talking about the EU deal for weapons for Ukraine. Krasnov was talking about sanctioning countries that do business with Russia.
WTF changed Krasnov's mind?
Krasnov will not be bad mouthing Putin - let me know if he does.
Krasnov will not be sending weapons to Ukraine - let me know if he does.
Krasnov will not make a deal with the EU to buy our weapons and ship them to Ukraine - let me know if he does.
Krasnov will not be imposing sanctions on countries that do business with Russia - let me know if he does.
Krasnov got the message loud and clear so Putin will allow an escape hatch from Epstein Gate.
Epstein Gate will fizzle out as long as Krasnov backs off Ukraine and sanctions.
Fiendish Thingy
(20,112 posts)And he may re-reverse himself at some point in the future.
Im not seeing a connection between that and Epstein.
Musk may have rage- tweeted about Epstein, but that didnt ignite the current fiasco, it was Bondis blunder.
Are you suggesting that Putin controls the US and worldwide media, as well as the MAGA faithful, and can order them all to stand down and walk away from this story?
Bernardo de La Paz
(57,207 posts)You are behind on your news. This will help you catch up. I recommend you diversify what you admitted is mostly a single source which is prone to factual errors.
May 28: https://thehill.com/newsletters/the-movement/5320662-trump-putin-maga-movement-questions/ "President Trumps souring on Russian President Vladimir Putin saying he has gone absolutely CRAZY "
July 12: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2025/07/12/trump-putin-ukraine-war/84545680007/ "Now Donald Trump says Putin's words are 'meaningless.' "
https://apnews.com/article/trump-ukraine-russia-nato-patriot-misses-sanctions-a77b90143f2a3c667fde57884e6d3558
He did. See the link given.
TheProle
(3,524 posts)And best wishes to anyone playing a drinking game based on "Krasnov" references.
Alcohol poisoning is a bitch.
Fiendish Thingy
(20,112 posts)Others not so much, but generally I find they diminish whatever message the writer was intending to convey.
Sometimes the obscure nicknames remind me of this scene from A Day At The Races:
Getta your Tutsi frutsi ice cream!
kentuck
(114,446 posts)They had already been promised those weapons and Trump is going back on the promise.
IbogaProject
(4,678 posts)I don't recall the timing, but T is getting pulled back and forth by our own wealthy vs Putin and crooks T associates with.
Bernardo de La Paz
(57,207 posts)pecosbob
(8,038 posts)Plucked from obscurity by Alan Greenberg after being fired for poor performance from his teaching job, Epstein rose through the ranks at Bear Stearns until fired for Reg. D violations...money laundering for the Russians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein
FakeNoose
(37,950 posts)... and it's by none other than Vicky Ward!
https://web.archive.org/web/20150612144453/http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2003/03/jeffrey-epstein-200303
Ward goes into his early career at Bear Sterns, and includes Epstein's introduction to extremely wealthy men such as Leslie Wexner (among others). This article is quite an eye-opener to the fashionable life of young Jeffrey Epstein.
Vicky explained years later that her mentioning Epstein's attraction to underage girls was edited out of this article even though she had corroborated sources. She assumes that Epstein himself demanded that the girl-stuff be removed before publication.
womanofthehills
(10,038 posts)And said the editor of Vanity Fair at the time - found a bullet on his doorstep and another time a severed cats head. The part about the girls got left out.
Also, Wexler gave Epstein power of attorney. Some called Epstein Wexlers boyfriend.
FakeNoose
(37,950 posts)To me, it sounds false that Epstein ever had a sexual relationship with a man, but who knows? His friendship with Chump was certainly not sexual.
AntiFascist
(13,543 posts)JP Morgan Chase settled a lawsuit brought by the USVI for $75 million for failing to report human trafficking through Epstein's account.
Both lawsuits exposed deficiencies in JP Morgans oversight of clients, including many communications where employees urged the bank to stop doing business with Epstein.
...
JP Morgan had argued that the USVI was also to blame for enabling Epsteins sex trafficking by giving him tax incentives and waiving monitoring requirements, in exchange for cash and gifts to local officials, including a former first lady.
Epstein had owned two private islands within the territory, including one he allegedly bought to keep onlookers from spying on his misconduct on the other.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/sep/26/jpmorgan-jeffrey-epstein-lawsuit-settlement-us-virgin-islands
The transactions processed by the German bank included payments to alleged accomplices, lawyers, victims, Russian models and women with Eastern European surnames, and "suspicious" cash withdrawals averaging $200,000 a year.
...
New York said Epstein had more than 40 Deutsche Bank accounts, some of which were for the "Butterfly Trust", whose beneficiaries included co-conspirators in alleged sexual abuse.
This created a risk that payments could be used to "further or coverup criminal activity and perhaps even to endanger more young women," the New York settlement, which reflected Deutsche Bank's cooperation over several years, revealed.
https://www.reuters.com/article/business/epstein-red-flags-russian-models-land-deutsche-bank-150-million-fine-idUSKBN2481WA/
Who were these co-conspirators?
Bernardo de La Paz
(57,207 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(57,207 posts)Please provide links.
yardwork
(67,263 posts)Putin (and other billionaires) are easy go-tos when there is sustained amplification on the social media, and we're seeing that.
Bernardo de La Paz
(57,207 posts)yardwork
(67,263 posts)I really don't know. It's certain that there are bad actors with a lot of money and power. It's also certain that many of them are drug-addled incompetents. Do we give them too much credit? Not enough?
womanofthehills
(10,038 posts)He suddenly became wealthy. He might have been doing freelance work for Mossad thru Maxwell and also freelance for CIA. Sounds like he was moving money and weapons.
gab13by13
(28,904 posts)Pete Hegseth canceled weapons that were appropriated to Ukraine, twice,
Krasnov claims ignorance of what Hegseth did.
Oops wrong link, hold on.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pete-hegseth-approved-halt-of-weapons-shipments-to-ukraine-without-telling-trump/ar-AA1IePQC?ocid=BingNewsSerp
muriel_volestrangler
(104,171 posts)Well after that, Trump OKed the European purchase and transfer of weapons to Ukraine - which is what you're claiming he's going back on.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-celebrates-trumps-weapons-reversal-devils-details-2025-07-16/
It's not that we think Trump isn't capable of reversing that; it's just that you're claiming he already has, which seems to give up on Ukraine.
Bernardo de La Paz
(57,207 posts)Best to diversify your news source from the one (main one) you use as you wrote in this thread.
Hegseth cancelled the weapons before July 4 and tRump did not know about it, as stated.
But since then tRump reinstated or made a modified shipment deal. More than a week ago, 8 days, tRump announced the plan to send weapons to Ukraine via NATO. https://apnews.com/article/trump-ukraine-russia-nato-patriot-misses-sanctions-a77b90143f2a3c667fde57884e6d3558
I did not know you were unaware of this.
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ananda
(32,616 posts)Thank you
flamingdem
(40,564 posts)Worried about Ukraine.
muriel_volestrangler
(104,171 posts)I can find no news report about this - and it's far more important than "Putin is controlling Musk".
tritsofme
(19,384 posts)Emrys
(8,677 posts)Folks will no doubt have gathered I keep my ears close to the ground where Ukraine's concerned. Nobody's counting chickens until they've hatched, but I haven't caught a whiff to date of any such reversal on the impending shipments. If I do, I'll probably post about it if someone else hasn't already.
All the OP's cited in "support" is a week-old news story found by a Bing search from The US Mirror via MSN revisiting how Hegseth supposely freelanced in halting arms supplies to Ukraine. That's pretty old news by now.
applegrove
(126,949 posts)what Putin had on Trump was Epstein.
Irish_Dem
(72,599 posts)applegrove
(126,949 posts)they have to live so close to him.
Irish_Dem
(72,599 posts)Much more in touch with reality.
applegrove
(126,949 posts)Irish_Dem
(72,599 posts)We know Putin has been grooming Trump for decades to act as his puppet.
We know Putin loves blackmail material.
We know Trump is Putin's lap dog.
Connect the dots.
applegrove
(126,949 posts)FakeNoose
(37,950 posts)Our intelligence agencies already have those wire transfers and they're not making them public.... yet.
applegrove
(126,949 posts)Someone said Epstein introduced Melania to Trump. And that there was money going to Eastern European Countries like Slovenia. Not only Russia.
It is all very vague right now.
FakeNoose
(37,950 posts)"Senator Ron Wyden senate speech July 17. Over 4000 Epstein wire transfers are not "nothing to see here" YouTube''

Skittles
(166,154 posts)Trump trashes everyone, but defers to a short, bald fuck like Putin.....yeah, Putin has something over Trump, always has
applegrove
(126,949 posts)Mz Pip
(28,163 posts)Ive always suspected Putin had something on Trump, something personal and very damaging. A video of prostitutes peeing on a bed is gross but probably wouldnt move the needle much as far as his supporters go. A video of Trump and a 13 year old girl would be something most MAGAs would draw the line at.
AntiFascist
(13,543 posts)claims to have copies of hundreds of hours of video from Epstein's properties, scans of documents and other info. While he may not be a trustworthy source, the UK Times also reported that sources within MI6 were concerned that he passed compromising information to Russian authorities. The former sheriff also claims that the FBI is covering up information that was taken from his property before he fled:
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/fbi-is-involved-in-jeffrey-epstein-cover-up-x6b3fxgm9
MrWowWow
(617 posts)All roads lead to putin.
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