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applegrove

(128,401 posts)
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 08:08 PM Jul 22

Linda McMahon's answer on Holocaust denialism should scare us

Linda McMahon’s answer on Holocaust denialism should scare us

by Rep. Mark Takano (D-Calif.), opinion contributor - 07/21/25 2:30 PM

WH on Harvard civil rights anti-semitism violations

https://thehill.com/opinion/education/5410977-harvard-faculty-hiring-holocaust-denial/


Questioner: “Madam Secretary, does refusing to hire a Holocaust denier as a member of Harvard’s history department faculty count as an ‘ideological litmus test?’”

Witness: “I believe that there should be diversity of viewpoints relative to teachings and opinions on campuses.”

Had I just heard that correctly? Had Education Secretary Linda McMahon really just said Holocaust denialism was just a diverse view point?

I was shocked. But just recently, this exchange really happened.
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Linda McMahon's answer on Holocaust denialism should scare us (Original Post) applegrove Jul 22 OP
That is scary and repulsive...It is truly, "Springtime for Hitler" in the Trump cabinet... wcmagumba Jul 22 #1
Tragically true... pat_k Jul 22 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Dayenu Jul 22 #2
Excellent! Haggard Celine Jul 22 #6
Duzy!! 🏆🥇👏 littlemissmartypants Jul 22 #15
should the Astronomy Department hire someone who believes in a geocentric universe? DBoon Jul 22 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Dayenu Jul 22 #7
I think that would be the Geography Department DBoon Jul 22 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Dayenu Jul 22 #37
Good. I would never want to work for Trump anyway DBoon Jul 22 #38
I think they would be 100% behind hiring a creationist. Shipwack Jul 23 #46
Opinions are not facts dlk Jul 22 #4
Would she hire someone who said... lame54 Jul 22 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Dayenu Jul 22 #8
Just another popsdenver Jul 22 #11
And you know this how? Gimpyknee Jul 22 #14
lol she is just a Brainless Bimbo Trump Appointee !!!!! stonecutter357 Jul 22 #25
But, but, but, but......antisemitism on the "left" is the problem maxrandb Jul 22 #9
Ummm... antisemitism is the problem. Beastly Boy Jul 22 #24
These aren't the drones you are looking for maxrandb Jul 22 #30
Do I understand you correctly? Is antisemitism contingent on government appointments? Beastly Boy Jul 22 #35
YES! maxrandb Jul 23 #40
If you believe nazis ar the only antisemites that ever existed, Beastly Boy Jul 23 #41
Oh, that's when they support diversity? tanyev Jul 22 #10
Conservatives have reduced EVERYTHING to a matter of opinion. Our society is fucked. Karasu Jul 22 #12
She's just a right-wing dumbass mdbl Jul 22 #13
They're feral and they're everywhere you don't want them to be. littlemissmartypants Jul 22 #16
No words for this Joinfortmill Jul 22 #17
Ugghh! She was an answer on Jeopardy last night. IcyPeas Jul 22 #18
Wasn't the FIRST MAGA psychopath to say something like that, B.See Jul 22 #19
Making Outrage Great Again. BurnDoubt Jul 22 #20
They are on record being against DIVERSITY, except of course when they are not against diversity. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 22 #21
Exactly. Diversity for the right wing but not for liberals. applegrove Jul 22 #23
"Good people on both sides." Orrex Jul 22 #22
This is who is in charge of investigating alleged antisemitism at universities across the US nt. iemanja Jul 22 #26
I keep saying there's only one way to deal with Nazis. BlueTsunami2018 Jul 22 #27
I guess this means then she thinks Qanon is just a bunch of diverse viewpoints. KY_EnviroGuy Jul 22 #28
Eisenhower wanted the Holocaust and death camps thoroughly documented because he knew there would be these evil scum who Norrrm Jul 22 #29
Fuck no!!! This is one viewpoint that should not be! Initech Jul 22 #31
Some right wingers deny the Holocaust. Others openly brag about it. Norrrm Jul 22 #32
K&R spanone Jul 22 #34
Not at all surprising. Behind the Aegis Jul 23 #39
My parents' generation surfered Jul 23 #42
She's also the one that said Figarosmom Jul 23 #43
They've pulled out all stops and are going full fascism. If anybody has any doubt about that, I hope this will disabuse Martin68 Jul 23 #44
Next they'll appoint a "Flat Earther" to head NASA, LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jul 23 #45
Gods, Issac Asimov had it right. OldBaldy1701E Jul 23 #47
Its a non-answer answer. She probably prepped that response. maxsolomon Jul 23 #48
I am so tired MorbidButterflyTat Jul 23 #49
Gross Scott Alan Swaggerty Jul 23 #50
Pisses me off more than scares me. It is sickening. Solly Mack Jul 23 #51

wcmagumba

(4,759 posts)
1. That is scary and repulsive...It is truly, "Springtime for Hitler" in the Trump cabinet...
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 08:11 PM
Jul 22

She seems nice, for a Nazi...Un effing believable...

pat_k

(11,917 posts)
33. Tragically true...
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 10:46 PM
Jul 22

But you reminded me how good the Producers was. The 1968 version:



Although the 2005 version with John Barrowman and Nathan Lane is is quite fun too!


Response to applegrove (Original post)

DBoon

(24,321 posts)
3. should the Astronomy Department hire someone who believes in a geocentric universe?
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 08:13 PM
Jul 22

Should the Evolutionary Biology Department hire a creationist?

Response to DBoon (Reply #3)

Response to DBoon (Reply #36)

Shipwack

(2,866 posts)
46. I think they would be 100% behind hiring a creationist.
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 02:43 PM
Jul 23

In fact, it will eventually be mandatory, if they get their way.

dlk

(12,972 posts)
4. Opinions are not facts
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 08:16 PM
Jul 22

If someone doesn’t know the difference, they don’t belong at Harvard, or on any other faculty.

Response to lame54 (Reply #5)

popsdenver

(544 posts)
11. Just another
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 08:38 PM
Jul 22

Brainless Bimbo Trump Appointee.............Anyone who watches WWE is definitely a Trumphumper and has an IQ under 70.....seriously

That's why she fits in so well...........Heaven Help Us.........

maxrandb

(16,870 posts)
9. But, but, but, but......antisemitism on the "left" is the problem
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 08:35 PM
Jul 22

At least that's what I see REPEATEDLY on DU.

The Retrumplicans and the right aren't Nazis, they just think we should respect Nazi views...and when given the POWER OF THE STATE, they make sure we do.

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
24. Ummm... antisemitism is the problem.
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 09:26 PM
Jul 22

Denying that the problem exists on the left covers up only half of it.

maxrandb

(16,870 posts)
30. These aren't the drones you are looking for
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 10:31 PM
Jul 22

Not a left appointed Secretary of Education!

Not a left appointed Secretary of Homeland Security!

Not a left appointed Secretary of Defense!

Not a left appointed Confederate Majority Supreme Court!

Not even a drag queen.

I will admit that the left has an antisemitism problem, as soon as the left uses its political power to appoint actual fucking Nazis to positions of state sanctioned power, like the Reich has done repeatedly.

Until then, you're doing nothing but tilting at windmills,

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
35. Do I understand you correctly? Is antisemitism contingent on government appointments?
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 11:02 PM
Jul 22

I am curious, were you in denial of right wing antisemitism when the Obama administration was making the appointments?

Do your views on antisemitism regularly change with each new administration?

That's hilarious!

maxrandb

(16,870 posts)
40. YES!
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 05:27 AM
Jul 23

If one side (the Reich) repeatedly and continuously appoints Nazis to positions of power when they run the most powerful country in the world, and the other side (the left) NEVER appoints Nazis to positions of power when they run the most powerful country in the world, then yes, YES A THOUSAND TIMES.

I have NEVER denied antisemitism on the Reich. Shit, that's what I am talking about.

Discrimination and ethnic bias is disgusting. Antisemites, racists, fascists, misogynists, etc., have lost their souls, BUT, without the power of the state behind them, they are nothing but individually broken people.

Sorry, but I don't waste my time on morally broken people, but I will fight to my last breath when those broken people have the power of the state on their side.

You can't fix souls that have surrendered to evil, but you can make sure they never have state sanctioned power. That's why I am a proud leftist, progressive Democrat.

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
41. If you believe nazis ar the only antisemites that ever existed,
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 07:54 AM
Jul 23

you are in denial of literally thousands of years of history, and are only aware of the past 100 or so years of it.

That's even more hilarious!

Karasu

(2,003 posts)
12. Conservatives have reduced EVERYTHING to a matter of opinion. Our society is fucked.
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 08:43 PM
Jul 22

Last edited Tue Jul 22, 2025, 10:55 PM - Edit history (1)

I despise this post-factual reality we're all living in.

littlemissmartypants

(29,900 posts)
16. They're feral and they're everywhere you don't want them to be.
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 08:56 PM
Jul 22

At least that's my experience.

IcyPeas

(24,303 posts)
18. Ugghh! She was an answer on Jeopardy last night.
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 09:11 PM
Jul 22

They showed her picture.... the clue was about accepting a job in a department that the administration wants to get rid of.... something to that effect.

Ugghh. I hate when any clue on jeopardy is trump related. I wish they wouldn't. (Unless it was to ridicule him/them). I doubt many magats watch jeopardy.

B.See

(6,786 posts)
19. Wasn't the FIRST MAGA psychopath to say something like that,
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 09:12 PM
Jul 22

and certainly won't be the LAST. MANY of em are Nazis, and Nazi sympathizers too. In spite of pretense to the contrary.

BurnDoubt

(1,066 posts)
20. Making Outrage Great Again.
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 09:16 PM
Jul 22

I think the Idea is to make Outrage so commonplace that it becomes meaningless.

Bernardo de La Paz

(58,955 posts)
21. They are on record being against DIVERSITY, except of course when they are not against diversity. . . . . nt
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 09:16 PM
Jul 22

iemanja

(56,815 posts)
26. This is who is in charge of investigating alleged antisemitism at universities across the US nt.
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 09:32 PM
Jul 22

BlueTsunami2018

(4,640 posts)
27. I keep saying there's only one way to deal with Nazis.
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 09:36 PM
Jul 22

And people keep telling me this can be solved some other way.

It can’t.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,740 posts)
28. I guess this means then she thinks Qanon is just a bunch of diverse viewpoints.
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 10:27 PM
Jul 22

These MAGATs are simply brainwashed batshit crazy.

KY

Norrrm

(3,054 posts)
29. Eisenhower wanted the Holocaust and death camps thoroughly documented because he knew there would be these evil scum who
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 10:30 PM
Jul 22
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142813132

Books on Holocaust should be balanced with 'opposing' views, school leader tells teachers

Eisenhower wanted the Holocaust and death camps thoroughly documented because he knew there would be these evil scum who would try to deny it.

Yet Trump has his 6MWE and Camp Auschwitz followers. That's anti-denial in his own camp. (6 Million Wasn't Enough)

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=6mwe

Initech

(106,423 posts)
31. Fuck no!!! This is one viewpoint that should not be!
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 10:36 PM
Jul 22

Fuck Nazis, they all belong in the trash!

Norrrm

(3,054 posts)
32. Some right wingers deny the Holocaust. Others openly brag about it.
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 10:39 PM
Jul 22
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217450492

Some right wingers deny the Holocaust. Others openly brag about it.

The Trumpsters marching in Charlottesville were yelling about the ovens ready for the Jews again.

“We killed six million Jews the last time,” he answered. “Eleven million is nothing.”

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029494753

We also have Trumpsters wearing 'Camp Auschwitz' shirts and 6MWE to remind us.

Behind the Aegis

(55,656 posts)
39. Not at all surprising.
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 12:20 AM
Jul 23

Holocaust denial, minimalization, revisionism, and misappropriation, are all popular now. Frankly, the survivors can't die quick enough for some.

Martin68

(26,519 posts)
44. They've pulled out all stops and are going full fascism. If anybody has any doubt about that, I hope this will disabuse
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 12:26 PM
Jul 23

them of that foolish notion.

45. Next they'll appoint a "Flat Earther" to head NASA,
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 01:50 PM
Jul 23

and someone who states that the Earth is 8,000 years old to control the National Science Foundation.

OldBaldy1701E

(9,153 posts)
47. Gods, Issac Asimov had it right.
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 02:55 PM
Jul 23
“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”

maxsolomon

(37,426 posts)
48. Its a non-answer answer. She probably prepped that response.
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 03:27 PM
Jul 23

She doesn't want to answer a hypothetical.

MorbidButterflyTat

(3,722 posts)
49. I am so tired
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 06:34 PM
Jul 23

of being told I'm supposed to be "scared."

Why does so many media demand that "we" be "scared," terrified, etc.?

Fuck that.

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