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gab13by13

(28,906 posts)
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 08:21 AM Yesterday

FEMA Removed 30 Camp Mystic Buildings From Its Flood Plain Map

I wrote a flood plain ordinance for our borough, wrote the regulations and guidelines.

I do not understand how 30 structures can be removed from a flood plain? The 100 year flood plain map is drawn out, marked. If you have buildings located in that flood plain how the hell can those buildings be deemed to not be in the flood plain?

30 structures were removed from the FEMA 100 year flood plain map in 2013, 2019, and 2020 at the request of Camp Mystic's owners.

At least 28 people from the Camp died. Would it have made a difference? I don't think so, but it depends how the local flood plain ordinance was drawn up. Ordinances may allow buildings in a flood plain but no basements for example. I'm guessing it may have to do with insurance. Insuring buildings located in a flood plain would be very costly. I am also guessing that maybe having those camps in the flood plain violated the ordinance seeing as this flood plain was dangerous. Maybe it didn't even have an ordinance?



Camp Mystic removed from flood plain
Camp Mystic's buildings were removed from FEMA's 100-year flood map due to repeated appeals by the camp, which had been operating in a dangerous flood plain. The camp's buildings were removed from the flood map in 2013, 2019, and 2020, with a total of 30 structures being removed. The camp's owner, Dick Eastland, and at least 27 campers and counselors were killed in the flooding that occurred on July 4, 2025. The camp has called the flood an "unimaginable tragedy" and has restored power for communication with its supporters.
The Texas Tribune

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FEMA Removed 30 Camp Mystic Buildings From Its Flood Plain Map (Original Post) gab13by13 Yesterday OP
Powerful people get what they want... LakeVermilion Yesterday #1
Eastland gambled he'd be outta there before the killer flood came. Girard442 Yesterday #2
I'm guessing that was for insurance reasons. underpants Yesterday #3
Negligence at Camp Mystic MagickMuffin Yesterday #4
I'm certain there are lawsuits. yardwork Yesterday #5
Won't be exposed as 'careless authoritarians'. Headlines will describe it as a 'mistake', a bungling federal agency lostnfound Yesterday #6
FEMA's map updates are insurance related and sarisataka Yesterday #7

Girard442

(6,721 posts)
2. Eastland gambled he'd be outta there before the killer flood came.
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 09:24 AM
Yesterday

Funny thing, if his religion turns out to be true, he's in Hell.

MagickMuffin

(17,821 posts)
4. Negligence at Camp Mystic
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 11:10 AM
Yesterday


I guess we’ll have to wait and see if Camp Mystic gets sued by the parents for negligence. As they should be. Camp Mystic bet on the safety of their visitors, and yet they provided no escape, no alert system, to the Council who played politics with these little girls.

They will be exposed as the careless authoritarians that they are, politics and powerful money behind their betrayal.


yardwork

(67,263 posts)
5. I'm certain there are lawsuits.
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 11:27 AM
Yesterday

We may not hear the results. I assume the insurance company will settle. Then they'll pass the cost onto the rest of us in increased premiums.

lostnfound

(17,094 posts)
6. Won't be exposed as 'careless authoritarians'. Headlines will describe it as a 'mistake', a bungling federal agency
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 11:34 AM
Yesterday

Rightwingers might occasionally ‘make a mistake’; only liberals get challenged on their policies and priorities.

sarisataka

(21,810 posts)
7. FEMA's map updates are insurance related and
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 11:48 AM
Yesterday

To look at flood zones drawn many decades ago . In many cases the old maps were very much out of date.
Rivers and streams change courses over the years so some buildings are no longer in flood zones while others which had been built outside of such zones now were in them.

The maps have as much to do with a building being affected by a flood as a deer crossing sign has with a deer getting struck by a car. The event happens independent of the map/sign.

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