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Why is Trump so afraid of the revelations from Epstein?It's taken a little while to connect the dots on this for me, but consider the following. Trump and Epstein have been friends and neighbors for at least the last twenty years, but it's taken me a bit to figure that they were likely business partners.
Epstein and Maxwell ran a prostitution and human trafficking ring, quite possibly with external funding from foreign nationals. The purpose of this ring was only incidentally about sex trafficking (as well as drugs and other activities), it was about intelligence gathering. Why use "underage prostitutes" when there were ample numbers of women (and men) who were at least quasi-legal? Because solicitation of underage prostitutes is statutory rape - it can get you thrown into federal prison, and often the only way that you can tell someone is not at least 18 years of age is to take them at their word (you don't ask an attractive person at a party whether they are jailbait, especially if you are drunk or on drugs). Epstein and Maxwell ran a honey pot - put prominent people into positions where they could then be blackmailed, not just for money but for political favors.
I think that Epstein likely started this with a few key people. Trump was likely one of the earliest marks that he captured, but Trump turned around and said "Let me get a cut of this, give me part of this blackmail infomation, and I'll make it worth your while."
It's been evident to me for years that Trump was blackmailing others. The sudden conversions of political enemies into allies became a running theme throughout his political career. Trump is not that charismatic - he's basically a mob boss, when you get right down to it, but one that could suborn not only politicians but wealthy businesspeople, journalists, and others. His agreement with Epstein was simple - the latter would run Trump's "intelligence gathering" while Trump stayed (very relatively) clean - the popular front man.
Eventually Trump turned on Epstein, because he had become too much of a danger to Trump, but that would happen after he became president. Epstein had the most damaging evidence of all against Trump - that he was using sex trafficking and blackmail as a way to fuel his rise to the presidency.
Trump has been declining cognitively for a while. He's let slip hints of this inadvertently. It's also something that his political enemies are finally beginning to leverage against him (those who he's been blackmailing) but those same people have to move very carefully around as well, because they don't want to have their own secrets spilled. They also have their own self-interests to look after, which is part of why those same people have been using this as an opportunity to leverage power because the hen house is basically now unguarded. It will eventually be closed, of course, but in the turmoil following these revelations, they hope to profit then fade back into the shadows.
My guess is that all of this seemingly buried information is now surfacing now because those same people feel threatened. Trump has done his job - he got elected, he pushed through the Heritage Foundation's list, but now he's superfluous, and his actions are threatening the stability of the wealthy and powerful. All of a sudden, people are talking about Epstein, they're talking about how unhealthy Trump is looking, they're actively speculating that maybe Trump should retire. This didn't come out of the blue. They (both the opportunists and those snared in Epstein/Trump's web) are still afraid of the MAGA base - I think the attack on the UHG executive last year rattled them - but at the same time, this feels orchestrated to me. Trump needs to go away, whether in a jet to a country without extradition (on a flightpath over deep water, mind you) or in a pine box, is becoming increasingly irrelevant.
I'm not sure what happens with the "afterward". Power vacuums are inevitably messy, and I suspect strongly that as Trump's network collapses, it will lead to both a lot of revelations and perhaps the likelihood of a more overt power-grab. These things normally do. However, I really do believe Trump will not be President by Christmas.

johnnyfins
(2,471 posts)Metaphorical
(2,477 posts)Timelines are always hard to speculate on, especially as it becomes more and more evident that the wheels are coming off the bus. I think it comes down to how tenaciously Trump will fight it. What he wants out of it is total immunity from prosecution, and while the power rush has likely gotten to him, the reality is that he has neither the energy or temperament to be a total dictator, especially since he seems to be checked on most fronts even now, even with a comparatively friendly Congress. He's nearly eighty. Sometimes the hardest part of a grift is knowing when it's time to walk away, before karma catches up with you.
Captain Zero
(8,164 posts)on how to usher his orange ass out the door.
Even though immediately it stops a vote and looks like it's support for him. It may not be.
cachukis
(3,332 posts)remained closed is puzzling.
tanyev
(47,188 posts)which made me wonder if the Trump/Epstein relationship was more business partners than Trump simply being an Epstein client. I dont know if Trumps forays into running a sketchy modeling agency and beauty pageants pre-date his relationship with Epstein, but they certainly pre-date when his relationship with Epstein became commonly known.
The Guardian March 2020
Teen models, powerful men and private dinners: when Trump hosted Look of the Year
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/14/teen-models-powerful-men-when-donald-trump-hosted-look-of-the-year
Captain Zero
(8,164 posts)He was brokering girls/women into Epstein's operation.
That finally became apparent to me in the last 3 weeks or so.
It is really obvious if you think about it.
I'm guessing they shared some money laundering criminality as well since they both have done that and were doing it during the time they were "best friends".
Consider this too. With all that Trump had large pools of data on girls in the age brackets that Epstein sought. Whether they made it into one of Trumps 'pageants' or not. The data was there for the Epsteins and Casablanca as well to recruit them and they were possibly even more susceptible to a pitch from Epstein if they had failed to make it into a pageant. So, they fall for the pitch and pretty soon they are entrapped in a trafficking operation.
Metaphorical
(2,477 posts)I'd not really thought that much about the beauty pageants - I'd always assumed there was a perv aspect to it, but it never made a lot of sense to me from the standpoint even of running a gambling operation.
ms liberty
(10,409 posts)Javaman
(64,287 posts)he wasn't just a player, he was part of the biz.