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Scrivener7

(56,514 posts)
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 08:27 AM Yesterday

The Grand Jury transcripts ARE NOT THE EPSTEIN FILES!

THIS IS THEIR DODGE.

They're dithering about the Grand Jury transcripts. There will be much back and forth about releasing them. Then they will be released to much fanfare about transparency and, lo and behold, Cankles will be nowhere in them. Then they will throw up their hands and say he's innocent.

Because BY DEFINITION he won't be in them. Those are transcripts about the charges against Epstein, and maybe Maxwell.

The REAL Epstein files are the videos that were taken by those cameras that were embedded in the walls of every house Epstein owned.

They're the photos Michael Wolf claims he's seen showing topless Epstein girls cavorting on Cankles's lap until there was a large stain on his pants.

They're the bank records that Senator Wyden described on this barn-burner speech that you owe it to yourself to watch.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220496968

They're the massive amounts of money ($1.1 billion in just one account) Epstein moved via traceable wire transfers.

They're the testimonies of dozens of girls and women who have accused Cankles and Epstein of sexual assault or misconduct.

They're the records from Cankles's "modeling agency" that he ran for a while in the 90's, a period when "modeling agencies" were notorious pipelines bringing very young girls into the orbits of old creepy rich men. And they're any records of the intersection of that "modeling agency" and Epstein's network.

They're the

"links between Epstein and sanctioned Russian banks, and payments tied to women and girls from countries like Russia, Belarus, Turkey, and Turkmenistan. “These are not conspiracy theories,” Wyden said. “These are real leads pointing to an international sex trafficking operation.”


They're the instructions, however they were transmitted to Acosta, demanding that Epstein get a ridiculously lenient and illegal deal after his first arrest. They're the records of how Cankles then decided to put Acosta in his cabinet a few years later.

They're the separate Treasury file, that has nothing to do with the Grand Jury, that Senator Wyden says has hundreds of pieces of "actionable information that should be investigated."

The Grand Jury file is the thing they're going to trick their base with. We need to not fall into the trap.
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The Grand Jury transcripts ARE NOT THE EPSTEIN FILES! (Original Post) Scrivener7 Yesterday OP
of course they aren't. Javaman Yesterday #1
Yep JustAnotherGen Yesterday #2
Several of Epstein's "little black books" have existed, and a few have already been released FakeNoose Yesterday #8
He was a total dirtbag JustAnotherGen 23 hrs ago #12
Massive coverup pfitz59 Yesterday #3
Yep! Posts from Bluesky... CaptainTruth Yesterday #4
Exactly right, and Senator Wydon needs to pursue the Treasury's Epstein records also FakeNoose Yesterday #5
You're likely to be very disappointed if/when the "Epstein files" actually are released. Wiz Imp Yesterday #6
Also, there is a strong possibility that the courts will NOT grant permission to release the grand jury transcripts. Wiz Imp Yesterday #7
LOL! Captain Bonespurs just got promoted Seinan Sensei Yesterday #9
"Yes!!!" times 1,000!! Grins 23 hrs ago #10
Recommended. H2O Man 23 hrs ago #11

Javaman

(64,287 posts)
1. of course they aren't.
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 09:28 AM
Yesterday

the orange asshole and his room full of dopes are frantically waving their hands trying to distract us all.

JustAnotherGen

(35,755 posts)
2. Yep
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 09:39 AM
Yesterday

And the use of the word 'list'.

Epstein did not have a line by line, ticked off list on one piece of paper. It's the files, the little black book, the video, the photos, etc. etc.

#EpsteinFiles

FakeNoose

(37,950 posts)
8. Several of Epstein's "little black books" have existed, and a few have already been released
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 10:51 AM
Yesterday

You're right, there never was a definitive list of his "friends."

Many of the friends who became customers, and subsequently became blackmail targets ... well let's just say that it led to Epstein being their investment banker. Epstein used to brag that he never handled anyone's account unless they were worth over $1 million.

JustAnotherGen

(35,755 posts)
12. He was a total dirtbag
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 11:49 AM
23 hrs ago

Along with his buddy Krasnov. The maga pubs might be dummies who fall for everything - but we most definitely are NOT.

FakeNoose

(37,950 posts)
5. Exactly right, and Senator Wydon needs to pursue the Treasury's Epstein records also
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 10:44 AM
Yesterday

The Treasury investigation into Epstein's wire transfers should tell us where and how Epstein got so incredibly wealthy. It's something that must come out, whether or not it leads to Chump.

Wiz Imp

(6,134 posts)
6. You're likely to be very disappointed if/when the "Epstein files" actually are released.
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 10:44 AM
Yesterday

There is currently no public information proving that the Federal Government is even in possession of some of the items you mention. Some items - Absolutely YES; others- Not so Much. Also keep in mind that Trump had absolutely nothing to do with the "sweetheart deal" that Acosta agreed to with Epstein. That was under the Justice Department of George W. Bush.

MAGAs are upset because they had convinced themselves that there was a treasure trove of information in the files implicating powerful Democrats. Of course, that was stoked by Trump and others on the right. Thus, it is ironic now that many on the left have similarly convinced themselves that there is a treasure trove of of information implicating Trump. That despite there being no public proof of exactly what the Government is in possession of AND the Democrats have NOT stoked those rumors. I'm not saying there is no information implicating Trump in the files. I honestly don't know. I DO suspect there is some "incriminating" evidence against Trump in the files. I'm just saying people are setting themselves up to be disappointed if their expectations aren't met, which inevitably will lead to many more conspiracy theories about Trump.

Wiz Imp

(6,134 posts)
7. Also, there is a strong possibility that the courts will NOT grant permission to release the grand jury transcripts.
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 10:50 AM
Yesterday
https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-blog/epstein-grand-jury-transcripts-maxwell-trump-motions-judges-rcna220298
Judges deem Trump motions to unseal Epstein, Maxwell grand jury transcripts inadequate
But the judges gave the Trump DOJ the chance to do better by July 29. Maxwell, an Epstein representative and the victims can weigh in, too.

Two federal judges sent a message to the Trump administration about its attempt to unseal grand jury transcripts related to Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell: Try again.

Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche had filed unsealing motions on both the Epstein and Maxwell dockets amid the political backlash President Donald Trump has faced for his administration’s refusal to make public all Epstein-related materials as promised.

Of course, unsealing these grand jury materials wouldn’t disclose all known government information related to Epstein, who died in custody in 2019 in what the medical examiner deemed a suicide.

But even this relatively limited grand jury information won’t be forthcoming, at least not until the DOJ satisfies legal requirements that it failed to fulfill in Blanche’s unsealing motions.

Grins

(8,628 posts)
10. "Yes!!!" times 1,000!!
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 11:12 AM
23 hrs ago

Still don’t understand why the media - especially the Reich-wing MAGA - don’t emphasize that.

H2O Man

(77,391 posts)
11. Recommended.
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 11:15 AM
23 hrs ago

Actually, the best information is to be found in the filings of the civil cases against Epstein, in terms of his relationship with the felon.

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