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usonian

(19,388 posts)
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 05:51 PM Jul 23

Los Angeles no longer ranks as worst US city for traffic (BBC)

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c39zg3j38y0o

Washington DC has overtaken Los Angeles as the US city with the worst traffic, in annual rankings from Consumer Affairs.

Drivers around the US capital spend more time in traffic than in any other city, with average daily commute times of 33.4 minutes, according to traffic data from the 50 biggest metropolitan areas in the nation.

Washington's average length of weekday congestion - the morning and evening rush hours - is six hours and 35 minutes, second only to Los Angeles, according to the report. That adds up to 71 days' worth of sitting in traffic.

Miami, San Francisco and Atlanta round out the top five cities for worst traffic. Boston, Denver, Portland (Oregon), Chicago and Austin are the best.


BOSTON? Surely, you can't be serious.
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hlthe2b

(110,818 posts)
2. Denver among the best? As one who has spent a LOT of time in Atlanta and LA/DC--albeit not so recently for the last,
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 06:18 PM
Jul 23

I find this surprising at a minimum... Maybe the outer suburbs of Denver, but...

(But you surely won't get an argument from me about Atlanta traffic, which has been getting worse and worse and worse for decades--ever since legislators decided it would be bringing "crime to the suburbs" to build light rail throughout.

CoopersDad

(3,205 posts)
5. They should poll service class workers. Their commute is 3X as bad or worse.
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 10:30 PM
Jul 23

In my area, Santa Cruz County and the Silicon Valley, workers travel 100 miles each way and more, with 2.5 to 3 hour travel times, each way.
Housing is that unaffordable.
And I suspect it's true in other major cities.

33.4 minutes is a walk in the park.

usonian

(19,388 posts)
8. I think that "San Francisco" counts as the bay area.
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 11:07 PM
Jul 23

Big commute on 580 from the Central Valley.
Fresno and similar Central Valley cities are about 1/2 the CA median, which is roughly 860 (Fresno is around 430)
The Bay Area is more ..... Lots more.

I found this chart that seems fairly current. The original was 404'ed, of course.



I had to enlarge it, and it's not very legible, but if you know your counties, you can make them out. (except by the bay)

CoopersDad

(3,205 posts)
9. Absolutely.
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 12:08 AM
Jul 24

I've lived with and watched decades of change along the 580-205 route into the Central Valley.
Over the past 12 years it's been watching how people who work in the cities of San Jose and Santa Cruz have had to go further and further to find affordability, now traveling from as far away as Merced.
Gilroy was affordable, then that moved outward to Hollister, then Los Banos and now Merced.
High salaries and poor public planning policies have not served workers well.

CoopersDad

(3,205 posts)
17. Excellent news!
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 09:07 AM
Jul 24

I'm surprised that I didn't know this!
I'm very involved in my county and Monterey County politics, less so the central valley but I try to keep up.
Thanks for letting me know!

Renew Deal

(84,320 posts)
7. I believe it
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 10:34 PM
Jul 23

DC area is rough. Takes forever to get through even in the middle of the day.

Is Portland even a city?

Tree Lady

(12,570 posts)
10. My daughter told me it was horrible when she worked there
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 01:55 AM
Jul 24

Used to listen to audio books. Her husband worked at Pentagon and she accounting firm. I think she was glad Air Force moved them to CO.

usonian

(19,388 posts)
11. I hear that traffic is lighter with the sacking of "Rome"
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 02:26 AM
Jul 24

I commuted for years on Rte 128 in Mass and then Highways 101 and 280 in the SF Bay area. Some commutes were over 30 miles including the two lane San Mateo Bridge. I watched it being widened for quite some time.

Oddest drive was the "backroad" Foothill Expressway on the peninsula. At some of the many stoplights, there would be Maserati's and Lamborghini's. Very impractical!

Now, I dodge deer in the mountains. One leaped onto a four lane highway at 10 or 11 a.m. it finished off my 20 year old pickup by hitting it mostly side-on and taking out all the glass on the right side. The rear view mirror flew through the window and landed in the back seat just behind my head.


Whatcha gonna do?

GReedDiamond

(5,472 posts)
13. That is likely because I have stopped commuting...
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 02:52 AM
Jul 24

...to my job, starting right before the covid pandemic.

I am perfectly able to execute my job requirements from home.

So I told my "boss" that he would not see me, ever again.

He has seen me again, but he came to me to do it.

And all we did was go have lunch.

Since stopping the commute, I have saved literally thousands of $$$ on gas on my 90 minute round-trip, 5 days a week.

Also saved myself from the total aggravation and danger of driving in L.A.

Or walking.

DET

(2,126 posts)
14. Not Surprising
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 03:05 AM
Jul 24

I live in Northern Virginia, not DC proper. Rush hour is from an hour or two before sunup to sundown. Everything revolves around the traffic, and how to avoid it. At one point I had a job in Tyson’s Corner (an upscale NOVA inside the Beltway mixed use complex that is larger than most cities). My commute from Western Fairfax was unpredictable - anything from 45 minutes one way on a good day to two hours one way during the worst of the rush. I couldn’t handle it and finally had to quit. Lucked out on my last job - a predictable 20 minute commute each way pretty close to home. It was heaven.

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,230 posts)
18. I'm in NOVA as well...
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 09:17 AM
Jul 24

...Lee District of Fairfax County. The federal job I'm about to retire from (took the DRP in March) is located in Reston. Being able to go against traffic in the morning and afternoon cut about 40 minutes/day off my commute.

DFW

(58,603 posts)
16. I grew up in Virginia near DC, spent serious time in Atlanta, Boston, been in L.A.
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 07:19 AM
Jul 24

Yeah, DC is bad. Whaddya expect with a federal government that has expanded by leaps and bounds since WWII, and streets and highways that, in far too many places, have not?

But it is, in my experience, nothing compared to the vast parking lots that go by the names of Boston, Atlanta and Los Angeles.

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