Alas, there were some folks who thought it was more important to punish Democrats than it was to help lead the region to a two state solution.

Macron has made no secret of his goal of leading the region (indeed, the world) to an agreement in which both Israel and Palestine are recognized as legitimate states.

Most people are as unaware that the UN General Assembly never condemned Hamas's genocidal October 7 rape-torture-murder spree as they are that 28 UN member states still refuse to recognize Israel.

We have 12 who get together Weds for games. The convo today was how Macron has stepped into a global leadership role while America goes insane.

It's given very short shrift in the MSM and twitterverse.

I can't imagine anyone who wants the Gazans out of harms way would disagree with the PLO taking control of Hamas' weapons and Hamas stepping down.

or in the twitterverse.

All these Countries Calling Out Hamas on their Invasion of Butchering, Raping, and Stealing Israelis frm their homes and Murdering them.

Mahalo, lapucelle

putatively 60,000 Palestinians dead and many more wounded.

Hamas woke a giant sleeping beast with that Pogrom.

I think it might be the first time in history Jewish human beings ever retaliated for a Pogrom. Centuries of being hounded, exiled, murdered, blood libel just blew up in Hamas face.

It's intergenerational trauma that I would compare to what Black Americans have experienced. We've just never retaliated.

Israel is lucky to be getting out of this so soon. We were in Afghanistan for 20 years. 20 years.

For ten years AFTER Bin Laden's death.

Let this end now, and get those children fed.

Israel has absolutely responded to previous Hamas attacks and various attempts by neighboring countries to invade them.

Is it the scope of the October 7th attack which was a definite increase in the scale (if not the intent because Hamas has always been terrorists) of Hamas violence? The scope of Israel's response?

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That is what Hamas did on October 7, 2023. That wasn't another country attacking Israel.

That was a Pogrom of utter destruction.

Screams without words.

This is probably the first time those screams of a murderous pogrom was responded to by a Government.

For centuries - the Governments of Europe in particular were in on it.. I'm glad Europe is stepping up - their faces aren't clean.

Thanks for clarifying.

And nobody has clean hands. Not Europe, not the other Middle Eastern countries. Hopefully this is a legitimate change.

My husband is off the plane from Calabria. In the dialect - it means "intent" not actions.

Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the Palestinian Authority were close to normalizing relations in September 2023.

Shortly after the October 7 attacks, there were analysts saying that stopping the deal was one of Hamas's major motivations for their genocidal rape-torture-murder spree. Once Saudi Arabia recognized Israel's sovereignty and right to exist, Hamas knew that their game would be up and the "river to the sea" claims with it.

And this hate group Hamas had to fuck it up.

is the biggest threat to the extreme Islamist world. No way Iran was going to let that happen.

For The Terrorist cult Hamas.

Condemning the October 7 Pogrom is a big change. That's one hell of an olive branch they are extending to Israel.

Much sooner. Her heart would not have allowed children to starve. Its not in her DNA.

Trigger the big one for Krasnov.

to notice what happened at the UN yesterday.

But better late than never, I guess, although we’re pretty close to « never » at this point.

This puts immense pressure on Hamas, especially if Qatar begins to cut or condition its support. This shift in rhetoric looks to me pretty dramatic among players who previously either supported or tolerated Hamas, abd could further isolate Hamas diplomatically, narrowing its options and accelerating a push for new Palestinian leadership.

Not the Israeli national anthem - but the translation of the words
"The Hope."
It will be an opportunity for the left wing Israelis to regain power (boy, I miss Rabin)

If this happens, the repair of the Palestinian territories can begin.
Israel will have no excuse to withhold aid or to prevent aid to Palestinians

Trump's hopes of development will be dashed (yay!)
Netanyahu will not be able to avoid prosecution and jail

If this happens, then we all can celebrate and begin to heal
It will take generations, but it needs to start somewhere

Does anyone honestly believe Yahoo is going to relent? Eradication is the endgame here. The IDF will continue luring civilians into the open then slaughtering them.

Hamas cut the breast off a woman while they were raping her. They then kicked it around.

There is nothing anyone can say to make me believe that was okay or they had *reasons*.

In America George Floyd's lyncher had *reasons*. They are all bunk too.

If Hamas is gone - emerged from the Muslim Brotherhood in 1987 - be loses his reason to kill.

I don't understand why the PLO can't take over the Gaza strip and mete out harsh punishment to Hamas.

If I were an Israeli whose ancestors came after the Arab countries ejected them -I would never want to live as one with people who chant slogans which threaten my existence.

If I"m a Gazan - I never want to live with Israelis.

The bigger question is what a two state solution would look like. At this point, you'd have to say that any Palestinian state will be limited to the West Bank.

I think Israel should cede Gaza. Allow them to be Palestinians. The Arab League can work with Palestine to rebuild a Democratic Society.

One of.my dearest friend's daughter, son in law, and two grandbabies live just outside of Tel Aviv. I've known her daughter since she was a tween. And her husband's name?. Barack! No joke.

I want a big wall between her and Gaza. She's an American I want her and her little family safe.

The pro Gazans people want the same thing for the Gazans. Only way is a massive border wall armed guards on both sides. Visas to cross over.

Shit - I'd like to do that to red states - but our Democratic Party members would be sitting ducks abandoned to blood thirsty magapubs.We can't do that.

It works much better for them if they can have the narrative that the entire Arab world loves Hamas.

I always find it illuminating to see which threads receive little attention.

Morning crowd.

Doesn't solve Ukraine's problem from hell - but resolving this is a good start to focusing America's attention on what is happening here with the Krasnov Dictatorship implementing Fascism.