but as a spa attendant . Her job was to greet guests, hand out towels, etc., not give massages. Maxwell "hired" her for Epstein to do that but there's no evidence she or other kids ever actually gave massages at Trump's spa. The situation was still creepy but facts are facts.

The source is not named, but is apparently knowledgeable enough about the goings on at MAL that they knew Epstein was procuring girls from the spa. However, this source used the word masseuse and used the very cautious phrase "about 18 years old" instead of her real age. It sounds like something Trump would say and he was known to often call media to plant the story angles he wanted. If not Trump, then someone highly Trump-adjacent. It's all very strange.

It was clearly about some other unnamed person. The timing is completely wrong for Virginia Giuffee along with the reference to the girl's father which didn't happen with Giuffre.

The person who the quote was about was not a child. She was 18. The entire meme is bullshit

Since after all these years she decided to commit suicide earlier this year.

Mar-a-Lago and that she never observed any wrongdoing by Trump. Case Closed.

And the circumstances? Seems odd for jobs that probably churn through headcount year after year. I wonder if he remembers all the housekeepers and why they left?

He might remember her from when Epstein via Maxwell poached her from Mierda-Lardo, which would have been in 2000. She was the daughter of a MAL employee, which is how she got the job in the first place, so he might have been more likely to remember her for that reason; or he might remember her name from more recent events, including Maxwell's trial and her suicide a few months ago. But it's all kind of suspect, because he didn't offer the complaint that Epstein was "stealing" his employees as his reason for cutting off his friendship with Epstein until just recently. Previously he had claimed the reason was that Epstein had harassed the daughter of a MAL guest (this was in 2007). Or, it could have been due to a bidding war between them for some property in 2004. The reason for their falling-out remains unclear, and Trump keeps coming up with different explanations. Here's a timeline: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/the-facts-and-timeline-of-trump-and-epsteins-falling-out

People keep engaging in (the essentially futile) search for truth and accuracy in Trump's statements. It is not a commodity that he recognizes, or deals in.

Media dredges up something. He has no recollection of any of it but quickly makes up a lie to cover and / or embellish himself. Doesn't matter if the lie is logical or congruent with any other lie he's told on the same subject. He doesn't remember those either.

he makes up stuff and overexplains which digs him in deeper. Because his lies are not going to stand up to scrutiny. He's not used to having to answer for his lies, but it appears this time he might.

An innocent person would have said they didn't know names of low level employees or remember them 20 years later. Creating no further complications.

It was big news, with all the dirt, including that Maxwell met her at Mar a Lago.

We don't really know

Her last name was Roberts when she worked at MAL. She married Robert Giuffre in Australia after she left Epstein's "employment" in 2002, and had no further association with Trump after that.

Now, when I was at school, the towel guys (never girls) would hand out towels to naked teenage boys who had just gotten out of the shower.

Who’re those little girls handing out towels to at the rich old man country club?

(Like I said, I’ve never been to a country club, so maybe I’m way off…)

at the type of high class resort Trump pretends MAL is. Bussing tables in the restaurant? Sure. Caddies in training? Sure. Working retail in the pro shop? Sure, if there is a pro shop. Working in the spa? No, no, no.

Wouldn’t any customers who were not pervs be very uncomfortable with the possibility of running into a teenager while wearing only a towel? Maybe the MAL spa didn’t have any non-perv customers.

Children whose job is handing towels to naked old men is a bad thing.

Especially that crowd. But also…at all.

Weird as Trump is, I don't think he had teenage girls hanging out in the mens locker room to hand out towels. There is enough to go on without out imaginations getting away from us.

The spa would cater to both men and women, likely more women than men. Virginia Giuffre would have been dealing with women guests, NOT men.

It's hilarious that the AI search felt it necessary "yes, even Missouri," but that may be because it's my location.

and while they ask Trump questions, ask him if he plans to move Maxwell back to a more secure prison.

Seems that detail needs to be 'clarified'.

it was either 37 or 73 times, if I remember. I know, big difference in numbers, but I have dyslexia with numbers. Real pain in the butt when it comes to things like this. The only job I was ever fired from was in college... they'd put me in Accounts Payable. I didn't work out so well in that position... duh! (LOL)

Rec. Rec. Rec

comparing this BS to teen employment opportunities and teaching them responsibility and job skills. It's very deplorable to see them equate it to normal teen jobs.

“Nontheraputic” masseuse

when she was 14. She said the biggest money came when she was 14=15 and ended when she had a growth spurt up to 5'10" tall and couldn't be a little girl any more. She was trying to find her way out of the business, she'd aged out at 20.

I always figured there wasn't much wrong with her, she'd just grown up in an even sicker world than I did.

She’s 50 now and trying to navigate profound trauma with very few resources.

Her view of men was harsh, to say the least. I really hope she managed to get into some sort of therapy to help her process it all. I was her age when I knew her and unqualified to do anything but listen to her story without judging her.

The eye opener for me was that such families exist. My own extended family was completely bonkers, something my mother finally admitted shortly before she died, but they didn't sell their pubescent girl children to middle aged perverts.

at the time she worked at MAL her last name was Roberts. He had to have recognized the name Virginia Giuffre from more recent events because that wasn't her name in 2000.

Then I can see him remembering his victim quite clearly .

Wrongdoing from Trump.

when low-level employees move on to another job, much less the names of those employees? They *don’t*.

Watch this at the :20 mark. Not AI. Very disgusting. He clearly victimized his own daughter, and it has been normalized for her:

Please listen to completion. From The Godfather

So why all of a sudden does everyone want to believe what Trump said here? It was an obvious lie. He said Epstein "stole" his staff but Giuffre left Mar-A-Lago in 2000, at least 4 years before Trump stopped associating with Epstein. And he clearly didn't remember Giuffre's name. He was asked a question , and the reporter named her, he didn't. And his immediate response was "I don't know". As someone else pointed out, in 2000, her name was Virginia Roberts not Giuffre. He responded like he did because he clearly has been following the news about the Epstein files, and Virginia Giuffre's name has been in the media quite a lot recently detailing her story. He was lying about kicking Epstein out over "stealing" staff and then when her name came up, he viewed that as an opportunity to back up his lie. There is no evidence Virginia Roberts/Giuffre ever even met Trump during the very short time she worked there. I would bet any amount of money that he has no idea who she even is/was.

So when his lies get even more ridiculous about stuff people not into politics can understand, I hold out hope however faint that more people will come to understand that he is lying.

but when I said everybody knows Trump lies about everything, I was specifically referring to those people make it clear they know trump lies about everything, but for some reason, chose to believe what he said in this case.

and justify going along with hm. They don't connect the dots. That a person who does this shouldn't be trusted with that. That a person who will lie in one instance, is probably liying in another.

The other half of his voters believe he never lies, is their savior--practically Jesus Christ--and buy into Quanon, cabals of blood-drinking Democratic pedophiles, etc. and generally are shut off from reality.

I believe it's been reported that the redacted Epstein files may show that Epstein was supposed to act as an informant for the state of Florida, thus this may be the reason Acosta considered him "intelligence." I wouldn't be surprised if he was supposed to report on people like Trump.