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Swede

(37,198 posts)
Sun Aug 10, 2025, 12:56 PM Aug 10

Here is how gerrymandering works in two images.




Jim Jordan district in Ohio


End of lesson.
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Here is how gerrymandering works in two images. (Original Post) Swede Aug 10 OP
Ridiculous that it's even legal. bif Aug 10 #1
Gerrymandering is NOT legal in real democracies, like Canada and the UK. n/t SidneyR Aug 10 #16
Yes, it is totally avoided by putting it in the hands of independent committees. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 10 #17
If there is a complicated way to run something, Americans will find it and deploy it. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 10 #19
Our systems of measurement are further examples. nt Wednesdays Aug 10 #23
Yes. We all had the excuse of the king in olden times, but the world has moved on, except the US and Liberia. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 11 #29
Some would call it complicated ToxMarz Aug 11 #33
Complication opens opportunities for corruption. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 11 #36
Illinois has some very oddly shaped districts. 3catwoman3 Aug 10 #2
Almost every state does. lastlib Aug 10 #9
Looks like the geographic center of his district isn't even in his district unblock Aug 10 #3
Just FYI for people who want to repost that, they must have changed it, cuz it doesn't look like that now. CrispyQ Aug 10 #4
Wikipedia currently has the same map. KS Toronado Aug 10 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author sl8 Aug 10 #7
Here is a good article about the process used on Ohio Bluetus Aug 10 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author sl8 Aug 10 #6
Looks like Republican Mike Carey in District 15 has the most gerrymandered district. nt SunSeeker Aug 10 #12
This was the Ohio Congressional District map, that was used for the 2024 election. ... aggiesal Aug 10 #8
I've been under the impression that the gop gerrymanders more egregiously than dems. Is this not true? If it wiggs Aug 10 #10
GOP certainly has been more blatant about it in recent times WestMichRad Aug 10 #14
I don't like it when either side weaponizes gerrymandering, slightlv Aug 10 #26
Great point. Texas mid-cycle gerrymandering is just one part of an overall undemocratic effort by the goprs. I wiggs Aug 11 #34
I'm old; I hate to say it, slightlv Aug 11 #35
Yes. Because they are FAR more dependent on it for their political survival and have been for a while. Karasu Aug 10 #22
True, but... Random Boomer Aug 10 #24
What happened to Republicans wanting term limits? Emile Aug 10 #11
Origin Story Marcuse Aug 10 #13
Kicked and recommended Uncle Joe Aug 10 #15
Looks like cheating to me. Dave Bowman Aug 10 #18
We had in NC the I-85 district. mwooldri Aug 10 #20
Gerrymandering + electoral college Hornedfrog2000 Aug 10 #21
You know, normally I don't care who is doing the "gerrymandering" slightlv Aug 10 #25
maybe... myohmy2 Aug 10 #27
I am sure they are eagerly awaiting your check so that they can move. OldBaldy1701E Aug 11 #31
The hope is they over play this round of redisticting Johonny Aug 11 #30
New poster here Thunder Chicken Aug 11 #32
No. That's how Abbott is justifying his gerrymander. Do you agree with Abbott??? marble falls Aug 11 #37
Welcome to DU. Swede Aug 11 #38
Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote Aug 11 #39

Bernardo de La Paz

(57,831 posts)
19. If there is a complicated way to run something, Americans will find it and deploy it.
Sun Aug 10, 2025, 03:58 PM
Aug 10

Health care is another festering case.

Bernardo de La Paz

(57,831 posts)
29. Yes. We all had the excuse of the king in olden times, but the world has moved on, except the US and Liberia. . . . nt
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 06:36 AM
Aug 11

lastlib

(26,591 posts)
9. Almost every state does.
Sun Aug 10, 2025, 02:30 PM
Aug 10

The party in power creates the district--politicians choose their voters, instead of the other way around.

CrispyQ

(40,164 posts)
4. Just FYI for people who want to repost that, they must have changed it, cuz it doesn't look like that now.
Sun Aug 10, 2025, 01:24 PM
Aug 10

Last edited Sun Aug 10, 2025, 02:04 PM - Edit history (1)



Edited to add wiki link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio%27s_congressional_districts

Response to KS Toronado (Reply #5)

Response to CrispyQ (Reply #4)

SunSeeker

(56,526 posts)
12. Looks like Republican Mike Carey in District 15 has the most gerrymandered district. nt
Sun Aug 10, 2025, 02:36 PM
Aug 10

wiggs

(8,364 posts)
10. I've been under the impression that the gop gerrymanders more egregiously than dems. Is this not true? If it
Sun Aug 10, 2025, 02:35 PM
Aug 10

is true, why don't pundits, MSM, journalists, etc point this out every day? Another situation where dems and outlets fail to make an easy case?

WestMichRad

(2,552 posts)
14. GOP certainly has been more blatant about it in recent times
Sun Aug 10, 2025, 03:11 PM
Aug 10

… but Dems have done similar. As catwoman pointed out earlier in this thread, Dems have gerrymandered the districts in Illinois to their favor:

slightlv

(6,493 posts)
26. I don't like it when either side weaponizes gerrymandering,
Sun Aug 10, 2025, 10:01 PM
Aug 10

but at this point in time, I say "Go for it Democrats!" whenever they can get the opportunity. Most of it will just be us stealing back districts which have ripped away from us and the minorities that live there. It's just a way to minimize minority voices. Voting is under attack right now in so many ways, I have to wonder if we ARE going to have a 26 election... and if so, if the 28 election will be held or if the R's will simply install someone like DJT, Jr. in order to create their own dynasty. Bush was suppose to be that for the R's, but that fizzled because people get tired of being ripped off and demeaned. And the R's have always been jealous of the Kennedy name and dynasty. Too bad RFK jr broke the idiot mold!!

wiggs

(8,364 posts)
34. Great point. Texas mid-cycle gerrymandering is just one part of an overall undemocratic effort by the goprs. I
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 10:28 AM
Aug 11

remember Tom DeLay saying they were on the verge of a 100-year GOP rule...back then it was a fundraising system. Now there's media capture, extreme gerrymandering, lying, gutting of voting rights act, polarization and hate, citizen's united, foreign interference...and who knows what Elon was up to.

slightlv

(6,493 posts)
35. I'm old; I hate to say it,
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 11:34 AM
Aug 11

but I probably won't be around to see how this whole thing turns out. If nothing else, djt and his regime will set out to kill off as many of us as he can; we're just non-productive takers to him and his. But I worry about grandson. I hope when I kick off, he's still young enough to get out of the country and make a new life for himself someplace politically and civilly decent. In fact, I wish the village idiots would wake up one day to realize that they've lost at least one entire generation to other countries because of their sadistic rules and behavior. At least no one I know of child bearing years are planning on having any kids while all this crap is going on. One said it's hard enough to think about getting out of the country on your own, without having a child or two in tow, as well.

Karasu

(1,917 posts)
22. Yes. Because they are FAR more dependent on it for their political survival and have been for a while.
Sun Aug 10, 2025, 08:28 PM
Aug 10

Random Boomer

(4,355 posts)
24. True, but...
Sun Aug 10, 2025, 09:16 PM
Aug 10

I remember a Rachel Maddow show from years ago. Dems were the first to gerrymander a state or two, but the Republicans turned around and weaponized it across the country in a more organized a d aggressive way.

Emile

(37,126 posts)
11. What happened to Republicans wanting term limits?
Sun Aug 10, 2025, 02:36 PM
Aug 10

Republicans have always said we need term limits. My reply to that has always been, no they need to end gerrymandering.

Marcuse

(8,656 posts)
13. Origin Story
Sun Aug 10, 2025, 02:40 PM
Aug 10

The term, originally written as “Gerry-mander,” first was used on March 26, 1812, in the Boston Gazette — a reaction to the redrawing of Massachusetts state senate election districts under Gov. Elbridge Gerry.

Though the redistricting was done at the behest of his Democratic-Republican Party, it was Gerry who signed the bill in 1812. As a result, he received the dubious honor of attribution, along with its negative connotations.

Gerry, in fact, found the proposal “highly disagreeable.” He lost the next election, but the redistricting was a success: His party retained control of the legislature.https://blogs.loc.gov/loc/2024/07/gerrymandering-the-origin-story/

mwooldri

(10,697 posts)
20. We had in NC the I-85 district.
Sun Aug 10, 2025, 05:40 PM
Aug 10

Stretched from Greensboro to Charlotte, otherwise known as NC 12th District. It pretty much followed the path of the Interstate, as wide as the highway at its narrow points. The initial boundaries were drawn by Democrats. After a number of court cases, the 12th got redrawn.... Still a heavily Democratic district basically because Charlotte has tilted towards the Democrats in recent years and it served the Republicans in charge to sort of pay lip service to the law - compact area and one that's minority majority.... Still Cook Partisan Index puts it as D+24... In other words a snowballs chance for a Republican to win there as is.

What the district used to look like, picture from Wikipedia:

slightlv

(6,493 posts)
25. You know, normally I don't care who is doing the "gerrymandering"
Sun Aug 10, 2025, 09:57 PM
Aug 10

I don't think it's right. If you have to turn right for two blocks before turning left 3 blocks then right again by 4 blocks in order to get one color over the other, you've got problems that ain't gonna be solved by math. You're just cheating, period.

One thing I've learned since trump became prez, on the first time around. I never knew there were so many different ways for an election to be stolen... or attempted to be stolen. I remembered some of the history stuff I heard in school about the 30's and 40's and the backroom deals and Irish influence (which I saw even then as pretty slanted). But I've just never seen so much "in your face" criminal action during an election before. And the pre-election rigging I never dreamed of! From gerrymandering to an idiotic extent to deciding who in what quadrant can vote and kicking people off the roles for no good reason. It just floors me. Makes me wonder how we could EVER be sure we had a "free and fair election."

myohmy2

(3,651 posts)
27. maybe...
Sun Aug 10, 2025, 10:05 PM
Aug 10

...it's time for southern Dems and Progressives to move to Dem and Progressive northern states...

...they can't carve us up if there's nothing to carve...

...

OldBaldy1701E

(8,885 posts)
31. I am sure they are eagerly awaiting your check so that they can move.
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 07:57 AM
Aug 11

To leave is to signal defeat. Why do that?

I am not partial to allowing those animals to claim any part of the US.

Even the parts some of you don't like.

Johonny

(24,449 posts)
30. The hope is they over play this round of redisticting
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 07:33 AM
Aug 11

Cutting margins very low, in what is likely a low turn out election for the GOP.

Thunder Chicken

(2 posts)
32. New poster here
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 08:18 AM
Aug 11

Sorry new poster here. Typically just come here for the articles posted, but wouldn’t both the second and third image both be considered gerrymandered? If there are a total of five districts with 60% blue voters and 40% red voters, then shouldn’t the equitable split be three blue districts and two red districts? I don’t support any form of gerrymandering, so 5-0 split favoring blue voters in this scenario is just as illegal as 3-2 split favoring red voters correct?

Swede

(37,198 posts)
38. Welcome to DU.
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 01:07 PM
Aug 11

The second image is just straight up lines drawn without anyone knowing how the voters will vote. The third one is knowing exactly how they will vote and drawing the lines to get the results that you want. Maybe districts should all be just grids?

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