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LymphocyteLover

(8,653 posts)
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 07:53 AM Aug 26

We have become an authoritarian state, and our top newsrooms are in denial

Important piece from Dan Froomkin

The top story of the moment is the one story that our most influential newsrooms won’t touch: That the United State has become an authoritarian state.
At some point, the evidence becomes overwhelming — and we have reached that point. The frog in the metaphorical pot of water has boiled to death.

Armed soldiers patrol the streets of the nation’s capital, with more cities apparently to come. Immigrants who have done nobody any harm are abducted and disappeared by masked agents. The state is seizing stakes of national companies. Election integrity is under attack. Political opponents are targeted with criminal probes. Federal judges’ orders are ignored. Educational institutions are extorted into obedience. Key functions of the government are politicized and degraded. Expertise and science are devalued. Trump speaks of serving an unconstitutional third term. Media organizations are paying tribute to the ruler.

Most significantly, perhaps, there are no guardrails anymore. No one inside the executive branch will tell Trump no. No one in in the ruling party in Congress will tell him no. The right-wing majority of the Supreme Court won’t tell him no.

And our dominant media institutions won’t call him out. Rather, they obscure reality under a haze of incremental stories, each one presented as if what is going on is fairly normal. As if it’s just politics. Every outrage is just one more thing Trump has done, rather than the ever-mounting evidence of a corrupt dictatorship. The coverage is a play-by-play as the burners click upward, rather than a check to see if the frog is still alive, which it is not.

https://presswatchers.org/2025/08/we-have-become-an-authoritarian-state-and-our-top-newsrooms-are-in-denial/
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We have become an authoritarian state, and our top newsrooms are in denial (Original Post) LymphocyteLover Aug 26 OP
The media is NOT in denial. They are the propaganda arm for the fascist regime. Irish_Dem Aug 26 #1
MSM - complicit corporations (r) BoRaGard Aug 26 #2
Who was it again who signed gab13by13 Aug 26 #4
1996 - Bill Clinton. Layzeebeaver Aug 26 #15
The best Just Jerome Aug 26 #19
Yes, Bill Clinton. Wednesdays Aug 26 #22
State media Hornedfrog2000 Aug 26 #8
Yes edhopper Aug 26 #9
CorpoMedia IS compromised. annabanana Aug 26 #13
the bosses, yes... but reporters are all corrupt? or they are all being repressed? LymphocyteLover Aug 26 #25
Doesn't matter, the result is the same. Irish_Dem Wednesday #35
I think it does matter if we ever want to try to fix the MSM ... my feeling is it's less reporters LymphocyteLover Wednesday #36
"Maintaining access" is just a lie. Irish_Dem Wednesday #38
100% LymphocyteLover Wednesday #41
... Oeditpus Rex Aug 26 #30
yup, they are owned by the billionaires who directly are benefiting from the orange assholes bullshit. nt Javaman Wednesday #37
Several months ago, gab13by13 Aug 26 #3
Yes there is SO MUCH MORE that Elected Democrats could be doing. Be creative!!! LiberalLovinLug Aug 26 #26
Our top ratings/entertainment/as rooms? News no more NewHendoLib Aug 26 #5
The aren't in denial orangecrush Aug 26 #6
And this is nothing new. J_William_Ryan Aug 26 #7
Not in denial. They are afraid to report it, to call it out... themaguffin Aug 26 #10
either way Skittles Wednesday #34
Isn't the main stream media owned by billionaires? SupportSanity Aug 26 #11
I get so sick of all this denialism bullshit. The MSM is complicit. It is actively engaging in treason against the USA. Scalded Nun Aug 26 #12
Dan Froomkin is part of the problem. annabanana Aug 26 #14
The msm is actively complicit. They have been for a long time. Clouds Passing Aug 26 #16
Not denial. They're collaborators! IrishAfricanAmerican Aug 26 #17
Thank you for the post. Joinfortmill Aug 26 #18
Not to mention the Dem - bashing marybourg Aug 26 #21
You misspelled complicit relayerbob Aug 26 #20
As long as the courts are fighting back, we are not an authoritarian country. Don't give up the fight! Martin68 Aug 26 #23
I'm not! But I wish the MSM was on our side! LymphocyteLover Aug 26 #24
The Washington Post and NYT have a number of editorialists and columnists that are constantly on our side. Martin68 Wednesday #45
They are. It's the right-wing mongrels like Fox and the rest of the right-wing trash bags that are killing this country. ificandream Aug 26 #29
For-profit media has one goal: profit Torchlight Aug 26 #27
I say b.s. on this opinion piece. There are people in the media calling him out. ificandream Aug 26 #28
Absolutely agree. While sure the alphabet newz isnt doing shit, MSNBC from 4-12 every day is calling it what it is n/t Cheezoholic Aug 26 #31
Dan Rather is 93, and was fired in 2006 from a "top newsroom" muriel_volestrangler Wednesday #40
Are they really in denial or complicit? donheld Aug 26 #32
This steady erosion of standards has brought us here jfz9580m Wednesday #33
MSM serves its oligarch owners. diane in sf Wednesday #39
seems like that is their main goal though not what the free press was supposed to be about LymphocyteLover Wednesday #43
The dangers of corporate media. Passages Wednesday #42
K&R UTUSN Wednesday #44
They are not in denial SocialDemocrat61 Wednesday #46

Irish_Dem

(73,702 posts)
1. The media is NOT in denial. They are the propaganda arm for the fascist regime.
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 08:04 AM
Aug 26

We are the ones in denial if we think there is still such a thing as a free press.

annabanana

(52,799 posts)
13. CorpoMedia IS compromised.
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 09:39 AM
Aug 26

NBC, ABC & CBS are all just "loss-leaders" for massive corporations, which are owned by the richest of the rich. Corporations, BY LAW, have to prioritize the pocketbooks of their shareholders. There is ZERO incentive to "speak truth to power."
Journalism, as understood by the founders cannot be practiced in that environment.

LymphocyteLover

(8,653 posts)
36. I think it does matter if we ever want to try to fix the MSM ... my feeling is it's less reporters
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 07:07 AM
Wednesday

than the editors and higher ups, though most reporters haven't exactly covered themselves in glory either. They need to maintain their almighty access, is the usual explanation.

Still it's the big picture that most media outlets are falling down on.

Irish_Dem

(73,702 posts)
38. "Maintaining access" is just a lie.
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 10:26 AM
Wednesday

Reporters don't need access to report on the reality we see every day in plain sight.

Javaman

(64,425 posts)
37. yup, they are owned by the billionaires who directly are benefiting from the orange assholes bullshit. nt
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 07:44 AM
Wednesday

gab13by13

(29,570 posts)
3. Several months ago,
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 08:10 AM
Aug 26

many people here were screaming an alarm that we were on the verge of a dictatorship, and many of us were called "doom and gloomers.

Congressional Democrats are the minority, I get it, but they can sway pubic opinion, including swaying Magat public opinion.

Hold an event and invite the victims of Maxwell/Epstein who want to participate, invite the families of victims, invite the lawyers for the victims, invite the prosecutors of Epstein/Maxwell. (c'mon Comey you can come too)

Don't tell me the MSM won't cover that event, the victims deserve and demand an event like this happen or Epstein Gate will fade away.

The monster Maxwell is living in a country club for crying out loud. Did the head of the federal bureau of prisons ever give the reasons for moving her?

Do something besides sending stern letters, the letters were necessary but let's follow up on them.

It will take a public event like this to take back the narrative and show the victims, show the country, that the Democratic party is fighting to expose the Epstein/Maxwell sex trafficking while the Republican has become the party that protects pedophiles.

This is what I call Democrats fighting. I will donate money to an event like this if you need it.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,501 posts)
26. Yes there is SO MUCH MORE that Elected Democrats could be doing. Be creative!!!
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 02:08 PM
Aug 26

I fear the old guard who live in a Washington bubble, are either shell shocked, or just too stuck in their ways to even move. Or approve any out-of-the-box ideas. They are crouched down in a state of paralysis until the 2026 mid-terms where they think a blue wave will make them relevant again. And they can continue to pretend its all just simple politics. Schumer can get back to his bicycle gym routine next to his Republican buddies and work his magic.

There are even reports that that old guard wants Democrats to stop talking about Epstein. Focus on the issues. They just don't get it. In today's social media hyped world, that is the door you can open to destabilize the opposition so that THEN you open the window to enlighten folks about the issues that are important to everyone

Make a sensationalist production. What Newsom is doing is great. But why not even more Democrats mocking Trump like that? Trump makes a new headline every day. We should be as well. Cowering in the corner hoping that the election process even is running fairly in 2026 is a fools quest

J_William_Ryan

(2,950 posts)
7. And this is nothing new.
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 08:56 AM
Aug 26

The media contributed to the return of the fascist Trump to power – by treating him as a legitimate candidate and failing to denounce him as unfit to hold any public office.

SupportSanity

(1,511 posts)
11. Isn't the main stream media owned by billionaires?
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 09:26 AM
Aug 26

The same ones that Trump is giving tax breaks to?

And whose side are they on?

Scalded Nun

(1,482 posts)
12. I get so sick of all this denialism bullshit. The MSM is complicit. It is actively engaging in treason against the USA.
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 09:27 AM
Aug 26

Joinfortmill

(18,805 posts)
18. Thank you for the post.
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 10:23 AM
Aug 26

Some of the responses are disheartening with their nitpicking of one or two words, sometimes very rudely, and often without offering anything constructive beyond howling at the wind.

Martin68

(26,391 posts)
23. As long as the courts are fighting back, we are not an authoritarian country. Don't give up the fight!
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 11:53 AM
Aug 26

Martin68

(26,391 posts)
45. The Washington Post and NYT have a number of editorialists and columnists that are constantly on our side.
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 09:45 PM
Wednesday

But we can't depend on the media alone.

ificandream

(11,329 posts)
29. They are. It's the right-wing mongrels like Fox and the rest of the right-wing trash bags that are killing this country.
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 07:40 PM
Aug 26

The lies told by the traitors at Fox, OSN and the rest are what's hurting America. And despite the social media rants, there are people in the media working very hard to show what Trump is doing. It's there if you take the time to look for it.

I'll take MSNBC, CNN and AP over any of those right-wing dirtbags.

And a word to the wise: Opinion pieces are one person's opinion. They don't represent the whole media, just themselves. That's why for the most part I ignore the pundits. So many of them are in it for themselves and the money. The ones that ask you to subscribe in every other sentence aren't there for you, that's for sure.

Torchlight

(5,496 posts)
27. For-profit media has one goal: profit
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 02:16 PM
Aug 26

Anything legal (and a few things that aren't) are fair game in a free market. Carrying water for the Gestapo may not bring a person pride or a sense of accomplishment, but it does get a ton of views in first hour and puts the newest Smart Gegaw 3.1 in our pockets. Priorities, man. Priorities.

Accuracy and objectivity do not require sponsor or commercial breaks, for-profits do.

ificandream

(11,329 posts)
28. I say b.s. on this opinion piece. There are people in the media calling him out.
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 07:33 PM
Aug 26

Dan Rather is one. Rachel Maddow is another. So are Chris Hayes and Laurence O'Donnell.

But the real fault here is not the media but the Congress. The fact we don't have majority rule in both houses -- and I go along with others who say Trump messed with the election -- really ties our hands. I'm very glad to see Gavin Newsome throttling Trump -- I hope he runs for president -- but other Democrats are speaking out too.

If you want to blame the media, blame the young, inexperienced members. Their writing and reporting style leaves a lot to be desired. It was much better in the days when I was working at a daily paper (for over 30 years, if you must ask.) The senior members of the media have been through this before with Nixon. What few that are left are speaking out. (Again, Dan Rather.)

And when the election comes around next year, we need everyone to vote against Trump and the Republicans. Don't let them separate us like they did in 2024. And every one of you who stupidly stayed away from the booth in 2024 better get your asses out to vote this time. Especially you younger voters.

The voters are the ones who lost the election, not the media.

Cheezoholic

(3,261 posts)
31. Absolutely agree. While sure the alphabet newz isnt doing shit, MSNBC from 4-12 every day is calling it what it is n/t
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 11:45 PM
Aug 26

muriel_volestrangler

(104,477 posts)
40. Dan Rather is 93, and was fired in 2006 from a "top newsroom"
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 05:11 PM
Wednesday

Rachel Maddow is a commentator on a cable news channel ("top"? Not really. Or it wouldn't be rebranding as the awful "MS NOW" ), not a reporter (the article does note her saying the right thing - "MSNBC host", as it calls her - and says she's worth watching); so are Hayes and O'Donnell. The article is complaining about "newsrooms" and "news organizations".

donheld

(21,328 posts)
32. Are they really in denial or complicit?
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 11:48 PM
Aug 26

They have given him free advertising for many years. They have badgered about President Biden's mental and physical health while ignoring tRump's. The media hasn't stood up to tRump at all.

jfz9580m

(15,911 posts)
33. This steady erosion of standards has brought us here
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 12:26 AM
Wednesday

I was concerned recently to see that one of the few media figures I trust and respect: Yasha Levine seems to be having an existential crisis.

And is even talking about going to med school. That alarmed me. We already have honest doctors and scientists. It’s honest journalists -that too ones specifically dissecting this media environment-who are missing.

If it is not directly like being Reporters without Borders-it’s no less important. What should be absurdities seem to having a disproportionate real world impact. Just logging off alone won’t stop that without someone (like Yasha or Evgenia) addressing it.

I wouldn’t bother with fawning on a media figure if I didn’t consider their work important. (well it’s hard to not like Yasha-he is a good man. But in our shallow social media fueled heart and love and like saturated culture I have become reflexively wary of having anything serious denigrated by superficiality. I remember when i had to write a rec for my postdoc mentor I deliberately tried to sound as dispassionate as possible though he was one of the rare people who roused me to something almost enthusiasm adjacent).

I don’t post Yasha’s stuff here because it could violate TOS. Not because Yasha is a Trumper or anything. But he is pretty independent and a journalist. He really doesn’t spare anyone and is not very bullshit friendly.

I respect DU’s TOS and in a one party state like the US understand where the admins are coming from.
But after the election EarlG wrote that its gaming of algorithms that’s shifting society steadily rightward and it’s tied to the stuff Yasha works on related to these technologies.

It’s never going to be a pleasant job. But it’s nothing like being whatever the hell an influencer is. It’s just that he won’t be hired by what passes for the media.

Yasha is never going to not be independent. But he gets so much and I have a lot of faith in him and I was alarmed to see him start to have self-doubt.

He is one of the few honest and disinterested voices out there and he needn’t worry that he will become a “sell-out”. I don’t think he can.

I have seen self-doubt in scientists and doctors too and feel impatient and exasperated a bit.
The last thing you want is have the few remaining people who are sources of trust give up.

I have self doubt all the time because it’s entirely valid and not some sort of out of control imposter syndrome. I really barely pass many tests beyond basic self awareness as a professional. It’s why I sneer at authenticity and stuff that is all about people’s opinions and disconnected from any objective reality.

People’s opinions don’t count for shit (well okay I didn’t mean to put it quite like that). Objective realities count and the things that are making them spuriously harder to find consensus around are worth inspecting..

You can’t “game” objective realities..still it is true that this is rough world..

But it is not a good sign when the remaining adults and honest and functional people start falling prey to ridiculous notions like they are part of the system.

I respect that and all. It’s part of what makes people sources of trust. But if everyone gives up then the rest of us are stuck with only with these creeps. And the creeps are good at manipulating anxieties people have over being human.

I am worried that as society becomes more unequal it will be the best people who continue to be picked off-due to their own internal quandaries and conscience etc while the truly shameless or brainless will be fine. That’s not helpful.

I don’t know where that line is but it definitely is very far from Yasha or most scientists and doctors etc.

I keep hoping everyone decent who is still managing continues to do so.

It isn’t the time for: The Best Lack All Conviction While the Worst Are Full of Passionate Intensity

One problem with seeing everything from Trump to ChatGPT be confidently wrong all the time is that it makes people who at least think about stuff like that more dubious about their own bs.
If you are human you will have some bs about you and in this hyper surveilled reality, it will disproportionately affect the least shameless and least overconfident people.

And as much as I wish the internet was less of a presence in our lives, when it is, at its best it has people like Yasha and Evgenia. So I hope they continue their work.

In my experience, science, education and medicine are some of the few honest professions out there and in science and medicine at least it’s not very political. All said and done the training that makes you uncomfortable with lies has an effect.
But journalism isn’t like that apparently and it is showing..

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