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LetMyPeopleVote

(169,983 posts)
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 09:41 AM Aug 27

A DC grand jury declined to indict sandwich guy!

Piro literally failed to get an indictment on a sandwich



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A DC grand jury declined to indict sandwich guy! (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote Aug 27 OP
"Piro literally failed to get an indictment on a sandwich" sop Aug 27 #1
Yes. I hope it was a ham sandwich. Liberal In Texas Aug 27 #8
Bologna. sheshe2 Aug 27 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author sheshe2 Aug 27 #14
Why do republicons hate American sandwiches? BoRaGard Aug 27 #2
The Gestapo probably wants it illegal steelyboo Aug 27 #20
Excellent point. nt moniss Aug 27 #32
It was a ridiculous charge Prairie Gates Aug 27 #3
You can't pretend ICE officers are being assaulted unless you file assault charges. travelingthrulife Aug 27 #9
Her stupid-clown show costs taxpayers a lot more. Justice matters. Aug 27 #16
Although she prolly wasn't the decision maker not fooled Aug 27 #34
Yes! Solly Mack Aug 27 #4
Yes, we can be heroes, just for one day. (n/t) thesquanderer Aug 27 #22
Yes Solly Mack Aug 27 #37
Heh, heh oasis Aug 27 #5
This surfered Aug 27 #6
Yeah. Yeah. underpants Aug 28 #53
That federal agent is a Fragile Ass Snowflake! 😂 Emile Aug 27 #7
The federal agents were just Dr. T Aug 27 #11
Turns out you can't indict a ham sandwich. LetMyPeopleVote Aug 27 #10
Love it! yardwork Aug 28 #56
Good malaise Aug 27 #12
She'll have to drink two boxes of wine to drown her sorrows Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 27 #15
The Earl of Sandwich Tetrachloride Aug 27 #17
The Flag Burning Veteran was not charged Mr.WeRP Aug 27 #18
Subway is now featuring a new "$5 Footlong Felony." LetMyPeopleVote Aug 27 #19
lol!!! wolfie001 Aug 27 #40
The Indictment Nazi Endlessmike56 Aug 27 #21
"Can't we indict this guy on something... WestMichRad Aug 27 #23
Sandwich Resistance gfarber Aug 27 #24
Burma Shave. nt moniss Aug 27 #30
Many boxes of wine will be emptied today Aviation Pro Aug 27 #25
He lost his job and will be hounded by those bastards Klarkashton Aug 27 #26
A boost to his career? 2na fisherman Aug 27 #28
I remember hot dog vendors throwing hot dogs at the ball park. Then the money would be handed from person to person to twodogsbarking Aug 27 #27
Lettuce rejoice!! nt moniss Aug 27 #29
A real hero IronLionZion Aug 27 #31
And THIS is how we fight! llmart Aug 27 #33
Open and shut bun orangecrush Aug 27 #35
thanks for the laugh. barbtries Aug 27 #36
HAHAHA! OldBaldy1701E Aug 27 #38
Trump's Carnival of prosecutors failed to get an indictment against sandwich throwing man. LetMyPeopleVote Aug 27 #39
Myth Busted lame54 Aug 27 #41
Grand jury declines to indict man who threw a sandwich at federal officer in D.C. LetMyPeopleVote Aug 27 #42
He's been re-indicted for inappropriate use of force jmowreader Aug 27 #43
I got money on still no indictment Captain Zero Aug 28 #47
I said from the beginning that the only thing this rated Warpy Aug 27 #44
Attacked by a sandwich. Meanwhile, adult rifles are killing children and you're issuing prayers. Martin68 Aug 27 #45
A Hero is Born Mad Linguist Aug 28 #46
Force-feeding law enforcement is only a misdemeanor DFW Aug 28 #54
Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote Aug 28 #55
Teachable moment otchmoson Aug 28 #48
Snowflakes with a badge, a mask, a gun ToxMarz Aug 28 #49
They over charged him. Usually a rookie mistake. JohnnyRingo Aug 28 #50
law and order was wrong keroro gunsou Aug 28 #51
What did the SUB-stitute jurors think? GreenWave Aug 28 #52
Deadline: Legal Blog-It matters why the grand jury in D.C. declined to indict sandwich thrower Sean Dunn LetMyPeopleVote Aug 28 #57
After failing to get felony indictment, feds charge DC sandwich thrower with a misdemeanor LetMyPeopleVote Aug 28 #58
Deadline: Legal Blog-Grand jury rejects yet another felony indictment in Trump's D.C. crackdown LetMyPeopleVote Aug 31 #59

Response to Liberal In Texas (Reply #8)

steelyboo

(645 posts)
20. The Gestapo probably wants it illegal
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 11:22 AM
Aug 27

because they are afraid it might ricochet off the ICE asshole, land on a homeless guy and accidentally feed the hungry. They can't have that shit going on while they are in charge!

Prairie Gates

(6,300 posts)
3. It was a ridiculous charge
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 09:51 AM
Aug 27

He should get a $55 summons for disorderly conduct.

Felony assault on a federal agent? Pirro is a laughable drunk.

travelingthrulife

(3,291 posts)
9. You can't pretend ICE officers are being assaulted unless you file assault charges.
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 10:25 AM
Aug 27

I am guessing 99.9% of those charges are bogus.

Justice matters.

(8,894 posts)
16. Her stupid-clown show costs taxpayers a lot more.
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 11:00 AM
Aug 27

But hey, (fake sensational) news at 6 get more attention and perhaps more ads revenue...

not fooled

(6,471 posts)
34. Although she prolly wasn't the decision maker
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 01:04 PM
Aug 27

Word came from the fascists above her to go after this guy, I'll bet.

The only decisions she makes on her own are "red or white?"

Dr. T

(411 posts)
11. The federal agents were just
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 10:41 AM
Aug 27

following President Snowflake's lead.

Hey MAGAts, are you sure you want your children to be just like Snowflake Donny? Do you want them to cry and have a text tantrum when someone says something mean about them?

Mr.WeRP

(950 posts)
18. The Flag Burning Veteran was not charged
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 11:14 AM
Aug 27

And several protesters who’ve been charged with crimes against ICE have also been released after prosecutors failed to get grand jury indictments, sometimes multiple times.

From the NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/27/us/politics/trump-sandwich-assault-indictment-justice-department.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

On Monday, for instance, prosecutors refiled a felony assault charge as a misdemeanor in the case of a woman who was accused of injuring an F.B.I. agent during a protest last month against immigration officials at the local jail in Washington.

The charges were reduced against the woman, Sidney Lori Reid, after prosecutors failed not just once but three times to obtain an indictment in the case.

That same day, at the request of prosecutors, a federal magistrate judge dismissed all charges against a man who was arrested at a Trader Joe’s grocery store last week for what the police said was possession of two handguns in his bag.

WestMichRad

(2,630 posts)
23. "Can't we indict this guy on something...
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 11:57 AM
Aug 27

… that will make him eligible for deportation?”

(barely)

gfarber

(100 posts)
24. Sandwich Resistance
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 12:05 PM
Aug 27

In D.C., a sandwich took flight,
A footlong launched deep in the night.
With mayo and bread,
It struck feds with dread—
Now it’s memed as resistance with bite.

A rebel in pink took a stand,
With a hoagie gripped firm in his hand.
He hurled lunch with flair,
Caused federal scare—
Now he's “armed” and the law's in demand.

He launched a bold hoagie with flair,
Prompting feds to respond with a stare.
Now murals proclaim
His sandwich-toss fame—
A deli revolt fills the air!

2na fisherman

(96 posts)
28. A boost to his career?
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 12:37 PM
Aug 27

I hope one of the prestigious big law firms fighting against this regime will hire him on their legal team to direct his passionate assistance as a paralegal on the field of battles against Trump policies in court. He would make a highly motivated employee in this new career path.

twodogsbarking

(15,880 posts)
27. I remember hot dog vendors throwing hot dogs at the ball park. Then the money would be handed from person to person to
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 12:21 PM
Aug 27

the vendor. As a child this was a treat.

IronLionZion

(49,919 posts)
31. A real hero
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 12:44 PM
Aug 27


They can indict a ham sandwich but not a guy who throws a sub sandwich.

DC is covered in Banksy style sub thrower guy parody images these days if anyone wants a chuckle. They are posters not real graffiti.

https://www.washingtonian.com/2025/08/18/sandwich-guy-has-become-dcs-hero/

barbtries

(30,771 posts)
36. thanks for the laugh.
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 01:13 PM
Aug 27

bless his heart, and i mean that in the kindest possible way.

gawd this administration wastes money.

LetMyPeopleVote

(169,983 posts)
42. Grand jury declines to indict man who threw a sandwich at federal officer in D.C.
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 06:39 PM
Aug 27

The former Justice Department employee, who threw a sub at federal officers in Washington and came to be known as "Sandwich Guy," wasn't indicted on a federal felony charge.

Grand jury declines to indict man who threw a sandwich at federal officer in D.C.

The former Justice Department attorney who threw a sub at federal officers in Washington, and came to be known as "Sandwich Guy," was not indicted on a federal felony charge.

www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...

Raymond Norman (@raymondnorman.bsky.social) 2025-08-27T16:08:26.164Z

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/grand-jury-declines-indict-sandwich-guy-threw-sub-dc-federal-officer-rcna227464

WASHINGTON — You could get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich, the saying goes, but, in Washington, a federal grand jury just declined to indict a man for throwing a salami sub.

The grand jury did not return an indictment against a former Justice Department employee who was seen on camera throwing a hoagie at the chest of one of the federal officers President Donald Trump has deployed in the nation’s capital, according to two people familiar with the matter.

The grand jury’s decision not to indict Sean Dunn is another sign of pushback from Washington, D.C., residents over Trump's deployment of the National Guard and other federal law enforcement agencies in the city, who have put a particular focus on immigration enforcement. The New York Times was first to report the news.......

It's not the first time federal prosecutors have had trouble getting a Washington-based grand jury to indict a resident who opposed the new law enforcement presence in D.C. Federal prosecutors failed to obtain an indictment of a woman who was arrested for allegedly assaulting an FBI special agent at an immigration-related protest, the Times reported.

It is highly unusual for grand juries not to indict, given that the standard is probable cause rather than beyond a reasonable doubt as it would be at trial, and because grand jurors typically hear only from prosecutors.

jmowreader

(52,671 posts)
43. He's been re-indicted for inappropriate use of force
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 06:43 PM
Aug 27

"Mr. Dunn, you were supposed to throw a brick. What good is throwing a sandwich going to do?"

Warpy

(113,927 posts)
44. I said from the beginning that the only thing this rated
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 09:47 PM
Aug 27

was the presentation of a bill to the sandwich thrower for professionally cleaning that uniform.

I do wish all attacks against LEOs were this non lethal.

Martin68

(26,485 posts)
45. Attacked by a sandwich. Meanwhile, adult rifles are killing children and you're issuing prayers.
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 09:52 PM
Aug 27

Mad Linguist

(4 posts)
46. A Hero is Born
Thu Aug 28, 2025, 12:50 AM
Aug 28

That Po' Boy was a real Hero!

He never should have been charged with a crime. Assault and battery? No, salty and buttery!

A hardworking man like that is a real hustle and Grinder!

At the end of the day, he was free to take the Subway home.

otchmoson

(217 posts)
48. Teachable moment
Thu Aug 28, 2025, 07:29 AM
Aug 28

I applaud the grand jury . . . but this needs to be a teachable moment. The ENTIRE pool of potential jurors need to read and understand the power of JURY NULLIFICATION. Lawyers and judges intentionally do not speak of this power. I would like to see a Democratic Underground lawyer explain to all of us the ins-and-outs of jury nullification in a powerful and succinct resistance moment.

ToxMarz

(2,564 posts)
49. Snowflakes with a badge, a mask, a gun
Thu Aug 28, 2025, 08:27 AM
Aug 28

and an autocratic mission are the most dangerous snowflakes.

JohnnyRingo

(20,164 posts)
50. They over charged him. Usually a rookie mistake.
Thu Aug 28, 2025, 09:14 AM
Aug 28

It's like hoping a grand jury would have given the nod to an attempted murder charge.
Clearly the GJ didn't feel a felony was warranted in this case. I'll be surprised if Trump doesn't sign an XO giving him the right to bypass the process when he sees fit.

keroro gunsou

(2,287 posts)
51. law and order was wrong
Thu Aug 28, 2025, 09:22 AM
Aug 28

a DA cannot indict a ham or any other sandwich, nor can a grand jury it seems

LetMyPeopleVote

(169,983 posts)
57. Deadline: Legal Blog-It matters why the grand jury in D.C. declined to indict sandwich thrower Sean Dunn
Thu Aug 28, 2025, 05:48 PM
Aug 28

There are different ways of reading the stunning action by a Washington grand jury amid Trump’s federal crackdown on the nation’s capital.



https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-blog/dc-sandwich-thrower-grand-jury-indictment-decline-matters-rcna227748

We know that a grand jury in Washington refused to indict sandwich thrower Sean Dunn. But we don’t necessarily know why.

It’s a stunning result with serious implications no matter what motivated the rejection. Yet, what those implications are, exactly, could depend on the rationale for refusing to approve a felony charge against the man who became a folk hero in D.C. amid the Trump administration’s federal crackdown in the nation’s capital......

But something bigger may have been at play: jury nullification. That’s when jurors believe that prosecutors have proved the technical elements of the case but, nonetheless, the jury renders a moral objection by way of a not guilty verdict (or in the case of a grand jury, a “no true bill”).

To put the question one way: Did grand jurors think the government did a bad job, or a bad thing?.....

Importantly, we have more than Dunn’s case to go on in analyzing this phenomenon. There’s the even more shocking recent failure of D.C. prosecutors to get an indictment against Sidney Reid a whopping three times. She was initially charged under the same federal assault statute as Dunn. After striking out in the grand jury, prosecutors reduced her case to a misdemeanor, which doesn’t require grand jury approval.

Let’s assume for a moment that grand jurors in both the Dunn and Reid cases just thought there wasn’t enough proof to charge them with felonies. The known facts of both cases certainly allow for that possibility. Through that lens, the message to prosecutors is that they need to more carefully evaluate the quality of cases they bring.

But if the message is that the people of D.C. are declining to approve charges despite the evidence presented to them, that’s something that should worry prosecutors even more.

I am personally voting that both cases are jury nullification and Piro needs to worry if she takes these cases to trial.

LetMyPeopleVote

(169,983 posts)
58. After failing to get felony indictment, feds charge DC sandwich thrower with a misdemeanor
Thu Aug 28, 2025, 07:59 PM
Aug 28

Piro loses again. This lady cannot indict a ham sandwich for a felony and so is going for a misdemeanor (where she does not have to go to a grand jury)



https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/after-failing-felony-indictment-feds-charge-dc-sandwich/story

Federal prosecutors have charged the man accused of throwing a sandwich at a Customs and Border Patrol agent in Washington, D.C., earlier this month with a misdemeanor after a grand jury refused to indict him on a more serious felony assault charge on Wednesday, according to court records filed Thursday.

Sean Dunn has now been charged through a criminal information, which did not require sign-off by a D.C. grand jury.

Prosecutors failed to convince a grand jury to charge Dunn with a felony, sources familiar with the matter confirmed to ABC News on Wednesday......

The incident came amid heightened tensions over federal law enforcement presence in the District after President Donald Trump deployed federal law enforcement agents and National Guard troops to Washington declaring a public safety emergency and putting the Metropolitan Police Department under partial federal oversight.

Dunn's attorney and the D.C. U.S. Attorney's Office did not immediately respond to a request for comment from ABC News.

LetMyPeopleVote

(169,983 posts)
59. Deadline: Legal Blog-Grand jury rejects yet another felony indictment in Trump's D.C. crackdown
Sun Aug 31, 2025, 07:22 PM
Aug 31

In at least three cases so far, grand jurors have refused to approve felony charges against people the administration said assaulted law enforcement.

Strike four … Trump’s unqualified DOJ may please him, but they’re losing like nobody’s ever seen before in front of the Grand Jury.

Grand jury rejects yet another felony indictment in Trump's D.C. crackdown www.msnbc.com/deadline-whi...

@jimrissmiller.bsky.social 2025-08-31T20:16:33.324Z

https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-blog/trump-dc-crackdown-grand-jury-reject-felony-indictment-rcna228104

Whatever is happening, it’s not normal. That’s true of much else these days, but this latest stark chapter goes to the heart of the justice system. While it’s well understood that trial juries wield significant power, grand juries can shape, curb or kill cases at their inception. Most cases easily move past the grand jury stage. But grand jurors in D.C. aren’t acting as a rubber stamp.

We already knew about the whopping triple failure to indict Sidney Reid, as well as the failure to do the same against sandwich thrower Sean Dunn. Both cases are proceeding as misdemeanors instead of felonies after grand juries rejected more serious charges of assaulting law enforcement.

Now, grand jurors have declined to approve another indictment in a case charged under that same assault statute. This one involves Alvin Summers, whose case prosecutors actually moved to dismiss (though “without prejudice,” meaning they could try again later, a distinction that dominated the saga surrounding New York City Mayor Eric Adams). Seeking a permanent dismissal on Thursday, Summers’ lawyers wrote that the officer’s testimony “was rejected by the grand jury, presumably after reviewing the body-worn camera video.”....

That previously led me to wonder, in examining the Reid and Dunn cases, whether grand jurors simply thought prosecutors couldn’t satisfy the relatively low evidentiary burden at this preliminary stage of a case, or whether grand jurors were making more profound statements of nullification, the latter referring to situations in which jurors believe prosecutors have proved their cases but nonetheless reject them because they find the prosecutions or what they represent offensive.

The implications of either scenario are striking. And remember, this is just what we know about what has happened so far. This incredible story is still being written, but it’s one that can’t be ignored amid everything else that’s abnormal in these times.
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