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discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,682 posts)
Fri Aug 29, 2025, 12:06 AM Friday

"If ever...

...a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
- Samuel Adams

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"If ever... (Original Post) discntnt_irny_srcsm Friday OP
Yeah, we need them all right Oeditpus Rex Friday #1
You are right! ReRe Friday #4
great men but also slave owners MadameButterfly Friday #5
Yeah ReRe Friday #7
Yes. We have to judge people in the context of their times MadameButterfly Friday #8
And they are us. Joinfortmill Friday #2
Terrifying isn't it? jfz9580m Friday #3
These are the times that try men's souls MadameButterfly Friday #6
From the same guy: discntnt_irny_srcsm Friday #9
Those are good ones that I didn't know MadameButterfly Friday #10
I'm not sure. discntnt_irny_srcsm Friday #11

ReRe

(11,839 posts)
4. You are right!
Fri Aug 29, 2025, 02:46 AM
Friday

My top three favorite forefathers were #1 Thomas Jefferson #2 James Madison & #3 Samuel Adams (NOT John).

And sorry to say, they are probably all rolling in their graves at this time.

I do hope OUR TRUE PATRIOTS will rise and lead us out of this mire.

ReRe

(11,839 posts)
7. Yeah
Fri Aug 29, 2025, 03:59 AM
Friday

and we stole the land out from under the Indians after landing here. Great men did allot of bad things. But here we are smack dab in the first quarter of the 21st century. Democracy is a verb, and it's been busy for 249 yrs or so. We've outlawed slavery and honor the sovereignty of other countries (until djt, anyways.)
We did pretty good for 240 yrs, so I'm definitely not ready to give up the ship yet.

MadameButterfly

(3,493 posts)
8. Yes. We have to judge people in the context of their times
Fri Aug 29, 2025, 02:14 PM
Friday

and what these men did was a big leap in the right direction, making so much possible.
It took a war to outlaw slavery, though it would have been ended another way eventually.

I'm not ready to give up either. I can't imagine everyone hunkering down and taking it as the world falls down around us. I just can't quite figure out how we turn it around either.

I truly thought totalitarianism would be as obviously abhorrent to the world as slavery by now. They aren't bringing slavery back, right?

jfz9580m

(15,926 posts)
3. Terrifying isn't it?
Fri Aug 29, 2025, 01:59 AM
Friday

The times I have ever been the brightest person in the room were uniformly scary as all hell . It never used to happen 15 years or so ago..
Accelerationism gave us one form of acceleration anyway..accelerating stupidity.

MadameButterfly

(3,493 posts)
6. These are the times that try men's souls
Fri Aug 29, 2025, 03:41 AM
Friday

The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value...

Every Tory is a coward; for servile, slavish, self-interested fear is the foundation of Toryism; and a man under such influence, though he may be cruel, never can be brave....

We fight not to enslave, but to set a country free, and to make room upon the earth for honest men to live in.”

Thomas Paine

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,682 posts)
9. From the same guy:
Fri Aug 29, 2025, 02:50 PM
Friday

"A body of men holding themselves accountable to nobody ought not to be trusted by anybody."
"The greatest tyrannies are always perpetuated in the name of the noblest causes."

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,682 posts)
11. I'm not sure.
Fri Aug 29, 2025, 03:20 PM
Friday

I often read quotes from the famous, the infamous and the Founders.

Also from TP...truer words:
"Men who look upon themselves born to reign, and others to obey, soon grow insolent; selected from the rest of mankind their minds are early poisoned by importance; and the world they act in differs so materially from the world at large, that they have but little opportunity of knowing its true interests, and when they succeed to the government are frequently the most ignorant and unfit of any throughout the dominions."

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