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BlueWavePsych

(3,167 posts)
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 08:01 AM Sep 2

Americans Lose Faith That Hard Work Leads to Economic Gains, WSJ-NORC Poll Finds

Last edited Tue Sep 2, 2025, 12:41 PM - Edit history (1)

America is becoming a nation of economic pessimists.

A new Wall Street Journal-NORC poll finds that the share of people who say they have a good chance of improving their standard of living fell to 25%, a record low in surveys dating to 1987. More than three-quarters said they lack confidence that life for the next generation will be better than their own, the poll found.

https://www.wsj.com/economy/wsj-norc-economic-poll-73bce003

Poll data here ... https://prod-i.a.dj.com/public/resources/documents/WSJNORCJuly2025.pdf

Coming from WSJ, this is quite grim.

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Americans Lose Faith That Hard Work Leads to Economic Gains, WSJ-NORC Poll Finds (Original Post) BlueWavePsych Sep 2 OP
Well, that's what you get when Chasstev365 Sep 2 #1
WOW.............. Lovie777 Sep 2 #2
Some of us had already lost it. (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Sep 2 #3
Don't worry. Your hard work DOES lead to economic gain. Just not for you. Midnight Writer Sep 2 #4
Pedo Trump objected to federal holidays Farmer-Rick Sep 2 #8
Glad to see trump's bullshit propaganda isn't working. (nt) Paladin Sep 2 #5
In my experience as a worker the hardest workers are the ones who got the most work. Ping Tung Sep 2 #6
Figured that shit out decades ago. miyazaki Sep 2 #7
NORC is not a right leaning pollster Wiz Imp Sep 2 #9
Thanks for heads-up. Should be WSJ not NORC. BlueWavePsych Sep 2 #10
It's been obvious for years and years. BobTheSubgenius Sep 2 #11
Well if 75% of us believe this country is going in the wrong direction KS Toronado Sep 2 #12
The American Dream... lonely bird Sep 2 #13
The American Dream has always been bullshit. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2 #14

Chasstev365

(6,304 posts)
1. Well, that's what you get when
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 08:18 AM
Sep 2

you keep voting against your own interests over the last 43 years.

Unions have been gutted (33% of the workforce was unionized in 1947- today 9 %), supply-side economics has created the slow death of the Middle Class, and there is an unequal distribution of wealth that is approaching French Revolution.

However, the morons who watch Goebellsvision, aka Fox or listen to to their idiot brother in law get distracted with non issues such as Shira Law, Migrant Caravans, M13 Gang members, and Trans-Athletes that have ZERO effect on their lives.

THIS is what the Democratic Party needs to counter!

Lovie777

(20,381 posts)
2. WOW..............
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 08:22 AM
Sep 2

they got a poll for all the bullshit...........................

shithole and the GQP want US people overall as defeated.

Ain't gonna happen.

Midnight Writer

(24,742 posts)
4. Don't worry. Your hard work DOES lead to economic gain. Just not for you.
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 10:45 AM
Sep 2

We have hundreds of billionaires, trillion-dollar corporations, a level of wealth beyond any country in the history of the world.

And it is the hard work of common folks like me and you that made it happen.

But all that wealth is reserved for our betters. Too much wealth in our pockets will spoil us. Make us lazy. Make us uppity. Make us think about things other than keeping a roof over our heads or where our next meal will come from or how to pay for our children's upbringing. Dangerous things, like demanding a fair day's pay for a fair day's work.

Farmer-Rick

(12,078 posts)
8. Pedo Trump objected to federal holidays
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 11:51 AM
Sep 2

In a ranting post in June. He thinks Americans 11 days off a year is way too much. He thinks Americans need to work harder and longer to make billionaires like him richer. He wants poor hungry workers he and his pedo, filthy-rich, buddies can slap around like they do to their child rape victims.

Ping Tung

(3,686 posts)
6. In my experience as a worker the hardest workers are the ones who got the most work.
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 11:11 AM
Sep 2

The bosses weren't fools and would always choose the fireball workers to do the work. They didn't pay them more they just gave them more work and a pat on the head.

miyazaki

(2,538 posts)
7. Figured that shit out decades ago.
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 11:48 AM
Sep 2

I feed the machine as little as possible. Better for the ecology anyway.

BlueWavePsych

(3,167 posts)
10. Thanks for heads-up. Should be WSJ not NORC.
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 12:42 PM
Sep 2

NORC does professional work. WSJ curating and editing is a different story. Modified my comment in OP to reflect.

BobTheSubgenius

(12,094 posts)
11. It's been obvious for years and years.
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 01:57 PM
Sep 2

I'm afraid we boomers have had a LOT to do with the decline, but it really did seem that the good times would roll on indefinitely. We lived in a bubble - I was fortunate to grow up in a wonderful part of the world (SW BCPacific NW) at the absolute zenith of Western civilization, and life was, from this vantage point, embarrassingly easy. For my ex and I, at least. It's not that we were born into money, or were savvy investors, or world-class entertainers, but we didn't live large and had a good combined income.

After being a student forever (it seemed), getting a job as a technical specialist adjacent to the construction industry and making union money, and gf (at the time) working full time, money just piled up. After FINALLY being gainfully employed for less than 2 years, we had a 20% downpayment on a house, so we bought one. As I said....embarrassingly easy.

Those days are long gone, and forever, I'm afraid.

KS Toronado

(21,332 posts)
12. Well if 75% of us believe this country is going in the wrong direction
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 03:39 PM
Sep 2

because the standard of living isn't what they hoped for, should we as a party design our advertising
to paint a picture of Democrats always improve people's standard of living?

lonely bird

(2,548 posts)
13. The American Dream...
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 05:55 PM
Sep 2

Ben Franklin and Horacio Alger talked about rags-to-riches although Franklin may not have used that term. The idea that was being expressed was upward social mobility. The actual term came about in 1931 during the Great Depression. Imo, it flourished due to what helped the so-called Greatest Generation including the GI Bill, FDR’s programs and the development of Leavittown.

What is missing is that the post WW2 era was an outlier. The U.S. economy stood astride a world in rubble. When other countries shrugged off the impact of WW2 in the late ‘60’s and ‘70’s the end result was the collapse of Bretton Woods and the beginning of financialization. Sure, other countries have practiced regulated capitalism but even they are feeling the impacts of capitalism regressing to its “normal” functioning.

The dream was short lived because it had to be.

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,328 posts)
14. The American Dream has always been bullshit.
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 06:01 PM
Sep 2

I thought we covered that in The Great Gatsby. It has only ever been for the wealthy.

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