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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(128,196 posts)
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 08:10 PM Wednesday

Pentagon Promises More Cartel Strikes After Deadly Boat Raid

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth warned of further U.S. military action against cartels following a strike that killed 11 people on a boat in the Caribbean that the Pentagon claimed was transporting drugs.

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Is it legal to bomb cartels?

Ever since Trump raised the possibility of launching military strikes on drug cartels, legal experts have questioned whether there was a basis in law to do so.

Brian Finucane, a senior adviser at the International Crisis Group who worked for a decade in the Office of the Legal Adviser at the State Department, said that the Trump Administration’s attempt to use drug-related deaths as a justification for using military force against cartels was illegal under international law.

“The tragic deaths of Americans from the opioid epidemic do not provide any legal basis for the use of force against Mexico in supposed self-defense,” he wrote in Just Security in February. “In the absence of such an armed attack, any use of force by the United States on Mexican territory—even if directed at the personnel and facilities of drug trafficking organizations—would violate the UN Charter.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/pentagon-promises-more-cartel-strikes-162642251.html

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bucolic_frolic

(52,234 posts)
1. Meanwhile no reports on smuggling through the Wall
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 08:17 PM
Wednesday

A curious lack of information and no apparent seizures.

Liberty Belle

(9,688 posts)
2. Who has standing to sue over this?
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 08:18 PM
Wednesday

This must violate a slew of laws.

If traffickers, they should have been intercepted and arrested, not murdered.

If not traffickers, then this and future such actions clearly put innocent people at risk--fisherman and pleasure boats, for starters, as well as perhaps migrants trying to enter the U.S. via boats.

We know this administration has a history of accusing people of being members of cartels without adequate evidence. It should be up to the courts to determine guilt and sentence--and drug trafficking is not a death penalty offense.

LetMyPeopleVote

(169,276 posts)
3. Legal Issues Raised by a Lethal U.S. Military Attack in the Caribbean
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 08:28 PM
Wednesday

Here is a good discussion of the legal issues in the use of lethal military force when we are NOT at war.

Legal Issues Raised by a Lethal U.S. Military Attack in the Caribbean
->Just Security | More info from EcoSearch

Climate, Ecology, War and More by Dr. Glen Barry (@bigearthdata.bsky.social) 2025-09-03T22:56:03.506423+00:00

https://www.justsecurity.org/119982/legal-issues-military-attack-carribean/

On Sept. 2nd, the Trump administration announced what it described as a “lethal strike” against an alleged drug smuggling vessel in the Caribbean. In a post on social media accompanied with a video of the strike, President Donald Trump stated that the attack was “against positively identified Tren de Aragua Narcoterrorists.” Trump also noted that Tren de Aragua had previously been designated as a foreign terrorist organization (FTO). The social media post also asserted that the strike had occurred in international waters and killed “11 terrorists.”

Although the facts are still emerging, the Trump administration’s extraordinary lethal attack on this purported smuggling vessel – and its vow that the strike was a start of a campaign – raise a number of significant potential legal issues. And even apart from these legal concerns, the strike constitutes a deeply troubling gratuitous use of the military that resulted in the unnecessary killing of 11 individuals. ......

A U.S. president may direct the use of military force pursuant to either (1) a congressional authorization for the use of force/declaration of war or (2) inherent authority under Article II of the Constitution, typically as commander in chief of the U.S. military. The scope of the president’s authority to direct the use of force under Article II in the absence of congressional authorization is contested. Although there is broad agreement that the president may use force to repel “sudden attack,” the U.S. executive branch has taken a much more expansive view of the president’s unilateral war powers.

Here the Trump administration will almost certainly rely solely on Article II of the Constitution as the source of authority for the attack on this vessel. Despite labelling the targets “narcoterrorists,” there is no plausible argument under which the principle legal authority for the U.S. so-called “war on terror”—the 2001 Authorization for the Use of Military Force—authorizes military action against the Venezuelan criminal entity Tren de Aragua.

Under the executive branch’s two-prong test for when a president may use force without congressional authorization, the contemplated operation must advance an important “national interest” and must not amount to “war in the constitutional sense,” which the Department of Justice’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) has recognized as an outer limit on the president’s unilateral warmaking authority. That said, OLC precedent marks out remarkably wide latitude, with the first prong in particular having been critiqued as being unconstraining, and it is not clear whether it would have limited the president in this instance even assuming OLC advice was sought before the strike took place.

Further, though Trump and others in his administration have emphasized the prior designation of Tren de Aragua as an FTO, such designation does not by itself convey authority to use force. Nonetheless, such FTO designations are widely and mistakenly perceived as authorizing such action within the executive branch. Thus, designation of Tren de Aragua and a number of other Latin American criminal entities as FTOs in February foreshadowed this week’s attack in the Caribbean, despite providing no actual legal authority for it.

This is a well done legal article that also goes into the use of force if we were at war



I think that trump appears to have committed a crime or war crime in this attack.

WhiskeyGrinder

(25,611 posts)
7. There's some speculation that it was actually smuggling humans.
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 09:15 PM
Wednesday

All the evidence has been destroyed, of course.

doc03

(38,334 posts)
9. Smuggling people sounds more like it. I wasn't aware we could just judge people
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 06:46 PM
Thursday

without a trial and execute them.

Bernardo de La Paz

(58,012 posts)
8. Were there children in the boat? If you could afford it, would you walk your children through jungles or go by boat?
Wed Sep 3, 2025, 11:16 PM
Wednesday
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