But we've seen plenty of other odd examples: Gays for Trump, Latinos for Trump, etc.

It just doesn't end

Voting that way is bad for them.

There’s only one stinking person in the whole wide universe trump cares about, and it’s the one he sees in the mirror.

The sooner people see that, the more sense everything makes.

He has yet to show any limits to his depravity or that any low is too low for him.

Hopefully.

anything in Civic or Government or Political Science classes. I hope someone helps her understand the job of a president.

I guess she never heard about Krasnov being sued for sexual battery and sexual assault of a minor. I'm shocked any of them voted for trump given his long time association with their rapist. It makes no damn sense.

He’d have been laughed off the stage in 2015 and would’ve been locked up for all his crimes.

Maybe in an alternate, fairer universe, he is.

in front of the Capitol that she still deals with issues of blaming herself. And I think that mindset is related to the mental frame of many maga women, whether or not they've been the victims of child sexual assault/rape.

I suppose one could ask, "What were you thinking, dear .. ?"

But, really ... Why bother ?

she believed the campaign promise to make the Epstein files public.

Sorry. Brain is still bleeding ...

( In fairness - which I generally lean real hard toward - there is probably always a way to construct something semi-plausible ... Rationale, justification ... If one works at it hard enough. But, frankly - with this situation - I'm just not going to bother. )

Blaming victims for future questionable behavior is an unattractive way of viewing others.

Wrong is now OK - if you have enough check marks and qualifiers by your name? Nope. Not thinking that works all that well either.

How about we just say she's another Trump supporting assh*le .. and be done with it? They're a dime a dozen anyway. And, as stated previously - I really don't have the time, energy - or indeed the interest ... To deconstruct the various rationale ...

The OP handled quite nicely. 'Victims For Trump!" Step right up! Line forms to the right ...

What if we discovered tomorrow that What's-his-felon was the victim of abuse when he was younger, which drives his behavior today. I certainly wouldn't let him off the hook.

Epstein & Maxwell were predators who would target vulnerable girls. The girls were then exploited sexually (aka raped) by powerful adults. It amazes me that anyone would be so shallow to anticipate that many of them would not be well-rounded adults.

are republican because of the abuse. I don't think they voted for trump because of the abuse. I just think they're like so many other people in their demo who are rote republicans.

They testified in court (at least one of them did) against Maxwell. They hold Maxwell and Epstein accountable for their crimes. That alone shows an ability to overcome some of that trauma. I don't take their courage to come forward for granted. But I also don't find it unreasonable or shallow to note their political support of such a close associate of Epstein and Maxwell knowing what we know about said associate.

Not every observation about someone in this case is blaming the victim.

I started my career in social work dealing with domestic -- or family -- violence. Children, parents, spouses/SO, and a few grandparents. Mainly children & teens who were neglected and/or abused. Many of those cases ended up with kids being put in foster care. Without a single exception, every single one wanted to return to the abusive situation. This was almost always true with abused spouses. They identified their being in terms of their abusers.

Judging people is a common sport these days. It is one thing, in my opinion, to judge an abuser ..... an Epstein, Maxwell, and felon in the White House. Or the Stephen Millers of the world. It is quite another to blame victims. And I did not say "every observation about someone in this case is blaming the victim," any more than you have.

Malcolm X said don't judge people for not knowing something you know, for there was a time when you didn't know it, either. One of the greatest things about Malcolm was that his ministry wasn't with the high & mighty, but to rescue broken people, most often found on the margins of society. That included drug addicts and people in jail. The victims of Epstein, no matter how strong and intelligent, still have to deal with the incarcertion of their being in years past.

I was careful not to judge. I simply made an observation that stoked my curiosity. Am I critical of her choice? absolutely as I'm sure many other people would be.

Just to dig a little deeper though, it seems you're assuming she voted for trump as a result of the abuse. That's what I'm getting from your inclusion of your experience with abused people. I'm not making that same assumption.

I have a friend who, as an adult is finally realizing that he can't have a relationship with a father who did a lot of damage. He readily attributes dysfunctional behavior in anyone he sympathizes with as trauma since that's his experience. I've explained to him that trauma is not the only root of dysfunction in the population. As Malcolm X also said, some people are just figgin' pricks. OK, I can't find that he said that, but I'm pretty sure he thought it once or twice.

Seems to be a pattern of attributing things people didn't say.

Complete lack of judgement.

To me, his flaws and criminality are so obvious and blatant. Why do so many people, including sexual assault survivors, have a hard time seeing it? What am I missing?

Is that still a thing?

Just peculiar how they (those specific republicans) would be willing to come forward and hold Epstein and Maxwell accountable while giving trump the pass.

a fool will learn in no other.

-Ben Franklin
* Grammer School Graduate
* Founder, U.S. Post Office
* Co-Founder, USA's Form of Govt.

like they sucker everyone

Will his voters ever wake up?