Rashida Tlaib publicly refused to endorse VP Harris against trump for the Presidency?

but by all means, keep posting divisions among Democrats. I am sure that will help us in the upcoming midterns,

I guess when Nina Turner compared President Biden to a "bowl of s**t", and her refusal to vote for Hillary in 2016, was that bothersome?

and unlike Nina Turner who refused to vote for Hillary in 2016 in the general election, Jefferies never said he would NOT vote for Mamdani in the general election.

Is the OP suggesting it is OK "not to vote Democratic" in the general election?

Do not put words in the OP's mouth.

withholding support (or refusing to vote) doesn't just go in one direction - and the poster points that out quite nicely.

but thanks for your concern.

Has he compared voting for him to eating a bowl of shit?

Our democracy stands in the balance.

that in 2016 when the Supreme Court was at stake.

and those protesters who refused to vote for Harris, along with labor who split the vote, Latinos who split the vote, and others weren't that concerned about "our democracy" when it mattered in 2024. In fact, both 2016 and 2024 were watershed moments effectively working toward giving trump unitary executive rule.

It is a day late and a dollar short to suddenly "be concerned" about our Democracy.

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What are you talking about?

not Bernie. I can't believe this nonsense is being rehashed here.

More Democrats voted for her than Bernie.

I still think that was a mistake---

and her white-male choice for VP was her own mistake---
which ignored the African-American voters who delivered the nomination to her

Some of us were not enamored of Bernie, we did not vote for him or his minions in the primary. This nonsense reminds me of another populist who said it was stolen.

Sanders did end up pissing me off though.

Saying that others are/were also hypocritical does not excuse one’s own (or in this case Jeffries’ and Schumer’s) hypocrisy.

Yes, it is true that the majority of the party's primary/caucus voters chose Hillary for the nomination.

It is ALSO true that the majority of the DNC members
tried to put their finger on the scale to get Hillary nominated,
that is a well-known FACT....

As it happens, I don't think they made any difference.

African-American voters delivered the 2016 nomination to Hillary,
after which she promptly ignored them, trying to pursue
the "moderate white vote"---- and she LOST.

I supported her in the general election, and thought we were winning---
but at the time of the convention I argued that she MUST
choose an African-American for the VP spot, for the sake of VOTER TURNOUT----

Any African-American whom she might have chosen would have
become an instant STAR----

but she decided to try to "play it safe",
and the diminished AA turnout in 2016 made the losing difference in that election.


Even an older white guy like me knew what should have been done....

"Majority of the DNC members tried to put their finger on the scale"

He spent the lion’s share of his campaign funds on advertising and under resourced turnout efforts. That’s a guaranteed way to lose.

How did the DNC refused to allow Sanders to win? I saw the delegate vote.

We had 8 years under Dubya polluting the hell out of the country. There were also people who could be blamed for Trump getting in the first time.

That is a propagandist's trick.

That trick is why the Democratic party lose elections that should have been won.

Why minority demographics and young voters chose to be less than thrilled with the Democratic Party or consider themselves independent or lose faith.

Better to relate why one should vote Democratic.

Better to acknowledge the issues of others and work to make the nation and world egalitarian and non-violent.

Schumer and Jefferies are.

It’s a rant against progressives. You’re out of touch with the electorate and upset that they don’t follow your marching orders. The party of the 2000s is a losing one. That is what you’re desperate to preserve. Many of us, however, actually want to win. The voters determine the direction of the party, not those tethered to the past.

They are who he actually despises.

Some of those leftist Dems are among the few holding Trump’s feet to the fire.

Absent invention of a time machine, we cannot go back to prior election and change the outcome, nor can we change others' past lack of support for Democrats.

The NYC election is in the near future. We can affect the outcome and we can support the nominee chosen by the Democratic voters.

When Rashida Talib won’t endorse Biden, she gets dog piled into oblivion. When Hakeem Jeffries won’t endorse Mamdani, only a few progressives object.

After the election, go nuts, but at this point, the whole line of argument is just pointless and divisive.

It's Mamdani who is running in the campaign, not Jeffries or Schumer. If you want party unity, then they need to support him now. And then if you want them to "go nuts", then tell them to disown him (if they must) *after* the election.

Disappointed that they aren't endorsing, but where on earth would we get a new House and Senate Minority leader?

Let's throw the House and Senate Dems into disarray and have elections!


Are other members complaining and clambering for the job??

Is Tlaib itching to be minority leader? How has she been at opposing Trump?

Maybe more outspoken members don't want the leadership positions!

And is he even a Democrat or just a critic?

We probably don’t know if there’s been others seeking leadership positions since Dems have been very open about making sure younger ambitious Dems know their place.

It takes time to build seniority and AOC was deserving to be cochair.

But to try to "shake things up" right now in the middle of the term would cause chaos.

I have never found the perfect candidate but I vote for who will try to make a better country and a better world. Your principles don’t mean shit to people in developing countries who are starving and without vaccines because of trump and musk. How about education, healthcare, food, agriculture, science and so many other things our country needs. You can pat yourself on the back, but the morgue don’t care . That is what is and will be occurring.

I'm willing to hold my nose when the party runs to the right to get elected. But, there are limits to that. This is a democracy (of sorts) and my vote is mine to cast as I please. If any candidate in any party states they are against a woman's right to control her own body, or to deny medical care to poor people,, or deny the first amendment rights to citizens, they won't get my vote.

I'm not a True Believer, Dogmatist, My Party Right or Wrong, kind of guy. I'm flexible and weigh my votes and have done so since 1965.

You?

But I have never seen a Republican stand for any of those things, I don’t care for a certain senator who doesn’t get the big picture but I would vote for him over any republican. Sinema I don’t think I could vote for her but I would not vote for a Republican. I don’t have to like a candidate but he must vote with democrats to make this country better.

It seems clear to me that the donor class is very much at odds with the will of the voters.

However one chooses to define “blue no matter who”, Mamdani is not the only “blue” candidate running for NYC mayor. Without passing judgement on the circumstances that created this anomaly, we have three candidates in this race whose ideologies do not necessarily, or do not precisely, match the respective party tickets they are running on.

This is not unheard of. It is one of the inherent shortcomings of a two-party system.

are running either as independents or republicans.

Of course, that begs the question about those who identify as independents, but caucus with the Democrats.

My point being, it can be argued either way.

He's the Democratic nominee. There is no question "begged". You need to support him* - that is the DU argument. So do Jeffries and Schumer. Because they're Democratic leaders.

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And Tlaib did not support Kamala, so does that mean we should ask to her quit congress? No!!!

Municipal elections are very different from state and federal elections. Cities are not legislative bodies.

Also, they are not working against Mamdani. They seem lukewarm, but they aren't saying negative things about him.

Both have congratulated him and Jeffries is wishing him success if he wins, but had concerns about a few of his proposals, but hope they can work things out.

The caucus leaders in congress. They don't "run the party". Municipal is quite different. They are not the head of the DNC or the NY State Democratic Party, the New York County Democratic Party or the Queens County Democratic Party. It's the parties who are responsible for campaigns. Not elected officials.

It's these guys job to endorse:
https://manhattandemocrats.org/2025/07/manhattan-democrats-endorse-democratic-nominees/

"Jeffries is wishing him success if he wins" - that's not leadership, that's trying to distance himself. The USA is in its biggest constitutional crisis since the Civil War, and Jeffries is forgetting the meaning of "party", because he and his backers are uncomfortable with what New York Democratic voters want for taxation, despite sitting in a leadership role. The country, and the world, needs him to shape up.

I am also assuming that by “coordinating” you mean working together in concert.

What are the specifics of either one coordinating with reps?

Collaborating with Trump is the worst thing any American can do. Anyone who does must be shunned and kept from any form of power or influence.

If you are, and if one or more of them is not Sliwa, what would be the specific examples of their collaboration with Trump?

One call in recent weeks, not clear who initiated it, not clear about the extent or relevance of their previous associations, not clear of its content. For all we know, it amounts to one not hanging up on the other. At best, much innuendo and not much grounds to imply collaboration, which usually takes more than a single phone call in the course of “recent weeks”.

And regarding Adam’s, not clear who initiated the meeting, or whether the discussion that took place amounted to any kind of collaboration. The latest I’ve heard, Adams stated yesterday that he is staying in the race. Hardly a move that suggests collaboration with Trump.

Innuendo is hardly sufficient to accuse anyone, let alone life-long Democrats, with collaborating with Trump or being a danger to democracy.

... to Trump’s migrant crackdown

I still don’t see any signs of collaboration in any of the excerpts you cited.

And if associating with Trump is a sign of endangering democracy, every politician who ever had contact with Trump in any context is just as guilty.

And it's the word we use for people who work with fascists. Bill Ackman, billionaire backer of Trump, is now backing Cuomo: https://brooklyn.news12.com/hedge-fund-manager-bill-ackman-endorses-cuomo-for-nyc-mayor

This is not about "contact", as you know full well. It's about being on the side of the fascists. Don't try and call it "association" and then say "but association means contact".

That would make your accusation accurate. Otherwise, it’s guilt by association, the same as your other attempts.

Really, I wasn’t expecting such zeal in discrediting Democrats, flawed as they are, when I joined Democratic Underground.

I will even support Democratic nominees who are not Democrats.

I can do all this without classifying other Democrats as enemies.

And I am glad other DUers don’t tell me what I signed up for.

So do Independents running for office as Democrats against other Democrats.

Like I stated before, this is not unheard of. It is an inadvertent consequence of a two-party system.

A poor stance for the Partys' future but pretty much my experience after 50 plus years as a Democratic voter.

Then when Democrats lose elections that should be won handily, the Moderates blame the demographics where reciprocal support has been refused.

Sames as it ever was.

McGovern did well..right?
Are you mad that Carter won?

This is their election and they will decide who is best for the city.

voter’s choice and we’re to be thankful they are critiquing our party. I wonder what happened to that world view.

Some of the things we hear are designed to make us not think. I believe the gentleman running for mayor as a democrat has the best interests of the people of the city, but I no longer live there so I am going to watch from the sidelines.

Continuing this firing squad mentality is only self defeating as it was in 2024 with the “Genocide Joe” shit that helped getting this disaster elected.
Jeffries has done soo much good, why cast shade because he doesn’t do what YOU want? No matter what, NYC is “blue” no matter who is the Dem. Don’t allow a Republican in

If no one gets to 50%, then the lowest candidate's votes go to those voters' second choice, rinse, repeat until someone goes over 50%.

If we'd had that in 2000, Al Gore would be President, 2004--John Kerry, 2016--Hillary Clinton. Of course, in all those elections, a simple popular vote--no electoral college--would have those results also.

...if you weaken a candidate to the point where his seat is at risk then you're not doing anything but engineering another republican majority.

Moving past the outrageousness that this black man isn't any different from any of the other speakers we've had, and that he's not good enough for some Democrats who couldn't care less about representation for the black community at the highest levels of our politics, and continually sabatoge our black leaders - picking at and trying to weaken and overthrow the Democratic party leader in the House is the republicans job; or at least I used to think so.

Tlaib was a delegate to the DNC. It was a tight presidential race and so much was at stake. As a delegate, she is obligated to vote for a presidential candidate, even if she abstains, it is still an "obligation". She used her influence to actively turn voters away from Kamala.

In this case Schumer and Jeffries are not trying to turn voters away from Mandami. It seems like Hasan is using his influence to force Schumer and Jeffries to endorse.

Municipal races are not the same as other races. Schumer and Jeffries are not delegates in the mayor's race.

They aren't obligated to endorse because the race is "different". As long as they aren't bashing Mamdani. And I don't hear them bashing Mamdani.

I assume Schumer will vote for him. Is Schumer campaigning against him?



Is your goal to get rid of Schumer?


Maybe you will get what you wish for! Maybe you can shake up the Democratic Party and see how that turns out!

Gool luck. Been there done that. 1972 was a good election. ”So was 1968.

I warned people in 2024. Got in fights here. Scared we were gonna lose.

This is really, really important!!!

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I listened to an interview with a Democratic lady who is considering running for Hoyer's seat, assuming he will be retiring, as he should.

The upshot of that interview is that the Party's interests often do not align with the grass roots. The Party consistently tries to run candidates that are uninspiring, but will toe the Party Line. And they do everything in their power to block people whom they see as a threat to their generations-old power. That is to say, party insiders always seem to have jobs whether we win or lose. Ironically, that inner circle may actually be more employable when we are OUT of power, trying to get back in.

We see this growing gap between the Dem Party establishment and what I would call the voices of grass roots Americans. We see this played out with the ousting of David Hogg, Pelosi's frequent kneecapping of AOC, and the constant attacks on Bernie. And we're now seeing the same things with Mamdani and Plattner who are laying our EXACTLY the populist messages we need in order to win.

This Maryland Democrat (and I'm sorry I didn't get her name) is giving voice to the things that most people are so angry about in today's America. And sadly, she has decided that if she runs, it will be as an Independent because the Party will do everything possible to promote a milquetoast person ahead of her.

It should not be this way. I have voted for Democrats in almost every election since 1976, and have campaigned for many of them. But I cannot stand with how the party operates and I decided several elections ago that I had to make my donations directly to candidates, and will never give another penny to the Party's various committees and PACs.

His rhetoric is rather positive and not radical bomb throwing. Makes you wonder why so many oppose him.

I think they're just reluctant to publicly endorse him probably because they're known the Cuomo family for so many decades. (I know how that goes)

Plus it's still early.

The local Democratic parties are supporting him and that is what matters!

There is that one Rep in NY who is acting like a jerk, but this article is about Schumer and Jeffries and how "They must go" because they haven't endorsed Mamdani. I'm pretty sure Mamdani is going to win.

I wouldn't be surprised if the author of the article starts bashing the DNC if they haven't endorsed in this race. But usually the DNC does not get involved in city elections! Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if the author starts bashing the Texas Democratic Party because it hasn't endorsed Mamdani in the NYC mayor's race! I felt that the author was "off point"....

Mamdani won the DEMOCRATIC PARTY PRIMARY running away 56-44. Since when is it acceptable for the two most prominent Democrats in NY state to NOT endorse the DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY WINNER?

These are the things that have driven so many people to give up identifying as Democrats.

Whose side are Schumer and Jeffries on, anyway?

I'm old. The young people can take over! Maybe Chuck will throw in the towel. Maybe Jeffries will throw in the towel. Maybe everyone will get sick of this bickering and just quit. Maybe all the other Dems that you don't like will quit.

Heck with it. I'm old. I'm gonna die soon. Hell with it. I won't be around anyway. I wanted to make the world a better place, but throwing everyone out radical style is not my legacy in life. Hate to see it end this way....But it's your game now.

I doubt if anybody ever asked him. But if one is a candidate running as a Democrat or if one is holding an office as Democrat, I would expect that person to accept the will of the people, period.

When a Democrat winds the Party's primary, especially in such a decisive way, every elected Dem had better either give the winner their full-throated support or at least STFU and stay out of the way. Schumer and Jeffries are actively working AGAINST the clear primary winner. F those guys.

Wasn’t Momdani part of an organized group against Harris? Edit: Uncommitted Movement and Leave it Blank. What a waste.

that accusation? It sounds like you don’t even know of it’s true.

Are you pissed off because the sexual predator and Trump collaborator didn’t get the Dem nomination?

Does that mean you'll support another candidate: the sexual predator and Trump collaborator. the criminal, or the Republican?

"Uncommitted" movements, seems from his tweets he did. I'm not in NYC and the mayoral race there is up to them.

I think it is okay for us to differentiate between the primary and the general. I mean, the primary election is *all* blue candidates. "Vote blue no matter who" doesn't seem as applicable there as it does for the general election.

If Mamdani needs the endorsement of Jeffries to win a race in what should be a very blue NYC, that worries me about the claims that he is the type of leader we need to motivate voters and his policies are the future...

Is a sh*tshiw and should have been locked for refighting prior elections. Not your fault or anything, just DU being DU.
Geez, people.

no matter what level of government - is telling us very clearly that they don't really understand what is going on in the country today.

There's a lot of questions in this thread about whether this one endorsed that one. That isn't the point. Democrats were ASKED. And when asked, they failed to give full-throated support to the Democratic candidate.

That's lunacy. Any Democrat that doesn't give full-throated support to another Democratic candidate when asked by the press right now is an idiot and is not serving our country.

I put him right up there with Mark Twain, use to say “I’ve been a Democrat all my life, I vote for them or against them”.
One way to look at it.

I don't think either has changed their party affiliation.

Of course all this is missing the point of the phrase, which is both "don't let republicans win by voting for spoilers" and "ensure the democrats have a governing majority". Neither concern is relevant for city politics in general and NYC politics in particular.

People might not like to hear this but it’s the truth.

Mamdani represents some truly “frightening” ideas to the ruling class. Public transportation, free? Housing the homeless? Feeding the poor? Paying for it by taxing the rulers more? OMG! Noooooo! How “radical.”

We have Democratic representatives openly saying they don’t want Memdani in the party at all. Those ideas have no place in the party and he should form his own.

Fuck that. Those ideas are exactly what the Democratic Party should be embracing and more.

Most everyone here was full square behind OWS, here’s a candidate that embraces a lot of those ideals and somehow HE’S the problem.

We need to be stressing the class war because that’s what it’s all about. We get so distracted with all the culture war nonsense that we lose sight of what actually matters and we give the fascists easy potshots.

But the ruling class lives off those distractions, that infighting among the workers, whatever party they belong to.

We need to not only embrace Memdani and his platform but spread it far and wide. Workers first!

That should be the platform and the answer to every idiotic culture war “gotcha” question.

But that’s not going to happen unless WE force it.

We’d better figure this out quick before we’re all crushed under the jackboots.