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no_hypocrisy

(52,939 posts)
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 11:01 AM Friday

Crypto/Bitcoin Question

OK, I understand that I can't make counterfeit legal tender (bills) and put them into circulation. For one thing, it dilutes the value of the currency. For another, there's no federal backing behind it.

So here's my question: If crypto and Bitcoin don't have value other than trading in crypto and Bitcoin, why aren't they as illegal as counterfeit money?

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Johonny

(24,491 posts)
1. Why arent comic books and baseball cards illegal
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 11:09 AM
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There are a lot of valueless assets that trade on markets, many completely uncontrolled.

lame54

(38,336 posts)
11. Trump's going to...
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 03:42 PM
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Eliminate the dollar and make our national currency comic books?

It's worse than I thought

viva la

(4,268 posts)
2. What's really crazy is someone will just proclaim they've created a new crypto coin-- like Musk's "doge-coin"
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 11:13 AM
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and people swarm to buy it. Trump and his wife have both done it too.

I do see one advantage, because I know someone who lives in a country with currency that's almost worthless outside the country. If they'd years ago started filtering some money into Bitcoin, it would be available if they moved to Europe or the US. Of course, if it had plunged rather than exploded, they'd be out of luck. But because it's so unregulated, you can buy in secret and park it outside your country.

Good grief, I just realized that Trump named an entire new government "agency" after Musk's coin, and then put Musk in charge of it. The arrogance and triteness and griftiness of these people, and I use that last word knowing it's not really appropriate for these monsters.

Celerity

(51,773 posts)
3. Dogecoin was not Musk's creation and has been around since 2013
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 11:22 AM
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogecoin

Dogecoin (Abbreviation: DOGE; sign: Ð) is a cryptocurrency created by software engineers Billy Markus and Jackson Palmer, who decided to create a payment system as a joke, making fun of the wild speculation in cryptocurrencies at the time.

It is considered both the first "meme coin", and more specifically the first "dog coin". Despite its satirical nature, some consider it a legitimate investment prospect. Dogecoin features the face of Kabosu from the "doge" meme as its logo and namesake.

It was introduced on December 6, 2013, and quickly developed its own online community, reaching a peak market capitalization of over US$85 billion on May 5, 2021.

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viva la

(4,268 posts)
4. Wow, thanks for the info-
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 11:36 AM
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I see he did support it and invested in it, but he just clambered on the bandwagon, I guess.

Celerity

(51,773 posts)
6. Dogecoin Creator Jackson Palmer: 'I Wish It Was The End of Crypto, But It's Not' (May 2022)
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 12:32 PM
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In an interview promoting his new podcast, Dogecoin creator Jackson Palmer launched another scathing broadside against the crypto industry.

https://decrypt.co/101641/dogecoin-creator-jackson-palmer-i-wish-it-was-the-end-of-crypto-but-its-not

fujiyamasan

(609 posts)
5. There are no laws against using other forms of payment within the US for private transactions
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 11:58 AM
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However, you are required to accept US currency if offered and when reporting income to thr IRS the money must be converted to US dollars and if taxes are due, paid to the government in US dollars. What’s also interesting is that the IRS considers bitcoin and crypto to be property, rather than currency. Each transaction could potentially be a taxable event.

I wouldn’t consider paying or accepting bitcoin very practical though given the volatility alone.

republianmushroom

(21,271 posts)
9. Been wondering, thank you.
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 01:27 PM
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Amazing. 10:33 AM

Conclusion: Can Bitcoin Be Faked?
Bitcoin’s tricky setup, with its blockchain, secret codes, and miners all over the world, makes it super hard to fake. It’s like having everyone watch every transaction, with super-strong locks and a million computers protecting it. So, forget faking Bitcoin — it’s close to impossible!

While some worry about people messing with the market, Bitcoin’s special features, like everyone seeing every transaction, make it almost impossible to cheat. So, the answer is clear: you can’t really fake Bitcoin!

https://medium.com/@jelmersteen76/can-bitcoin-be-faked-a-deep-dive-into-satoshis-creation-646785aebe02

viva la

(4,268 posts)
10. But Bitcoins are often stolen-- "Razzlekhan" and husband stole 4.5 billion--
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 03:37 PM
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and lost-- QuadrigaCX in Canada (the CEO died mysteriously, leaving no access to client accounts).

There was some poor loser who lost the number of his "wallet" when he discarded a laptop hard drive, and went about crazy trying to get it from the landfill:

What happened to the guy who tossed a hard drive with 7500 bitcoins?
James Howells, from Newport, who claimed his ex-girlfriend mistakenly threw away a hard drive containing 8,000 bitcoins in 2013, has given up on retrieving the wallet, currently worth £695m, but has been hit with a £117,000 legal bill from his fight.Aug 7, 2025
Is this the end of the Newport tip Bitcoin saga? - BBC

BBC
https://www.bbc.com › news › articles



It's not that regular currency can't be stolen or lost, just usually not in that amount.

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