If they believed it was the right move last time to keep courts open, etc. then why would they change course now?

But by now the good programs have been shut or defunded. USAID is gone. CFPB, NLRB, anything that helps us. Things like CDC, DOJ, Homeland Security have all been turned against us. Maybe TSF can say ICE agents are essential, but they won't have clerks and so on. So shut it down!

no matter how hard they try. No sense in trying. The whole country is doomed.

I often forget about doing the archive thing. I'm still figuring it all out.

People who are begging them to fight. Sadly that won't happen.

Democrats could have shut it down in March until they got protections for the safety net, they would have had the country behind them. A slim minority of Senate Democrats gave Krasnov everything he wanted.

What are Democrats going to ask for this time? Last time they asked for nothing. How about shutting down the government until the entire Epstein files are released? We have a majority of Americans in favor of that.

I think there are more important things going on than the Epstein files...but....it might be effective.

The old guard will put on a show for the optics, then cave to donor-class pressure. Then they'll wonder why everybody is mad at them.

...most supported the shutdown.

A handful made that impossible.

When people question 'Democrats; they need to explain who they mean; who is responsible for the fault they're expressing.

...and let's not forget that critics of that action never bothered to account for the fact that the shut down government would be in the hands of Project 2025 architect Russell Vought.

How does an out-of-power party get the government started again after it's vacated?

...one of the courageous people who want to shut the government down might tell me what that acquiescence to Trump would result in, other than Trump getting the eviscerated government he wants without lifting a finger?

The OMB director who will be in charge of government during the shutdown, and responsible for what closes, reopens, and how, btw, has already said he wants federal workers in 'trauma'.

“We want the bureaucrats to be traumatically affected,” he said. “When they wake up in the morning, we want them to not want to go to work because they are increasingly viewed as the villains.

Why should we enable this man to put furloughed workers through trauma?

What's the actual end game to a shutdown that protects these workers' jobs? I don't actually understand the strategy of making them suffer for our 'courageous' political plan to leave the federal government bare for the pickings.

What's the over and under on enabling THIS architect of Project 2025?

Is it really such a slam dunk to put the fate of furloughed wokers in the hands of close Trump ally and Project 2025 architect Russell Vought who recently axed Biden-era guidance on shutdown procedures from its website?

___The Washington Post reported that it's not yet clear which parts of the government would close in the event of a shutdown this weekend. The White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB), spearheaded by close Trump ally and Project 2025 architect Russell Vought, recently axed Biden-era guidance on shutdown procedures from its website, the Post reported.

In the event of a shutdown, the OMB would have wide latitude to decide what is deemed "essential" government work. With the president's blessing, OMB could determine that DOGE was doing essential government work and keep it open while other agencies did furloughs, for instance, making it easier for Musk's team of employees to access internal systems and operate freely.

https://www.newsweek.com/doge-government-shutdown-donald-trump-2044442


“Put Them In Trauma”: Inside MAGA Leader Russell Vought’s Plans For A New Trump Agenda
A key Trump ally detailed plans to deploy the military in response to domestic unrest, defund the EPA and put career civil servants “in trauma” in a series of previously unreported speeches that provide a sweeping vision for a second Trump term.

In private speeches delivered in 2023 and 2024, Russell Vought, who served as Trump’s director of the Office of Management and Budget, described his work crafting legal justifications so that military leaders or government lawyers would not stop Trump’s executive actions.

He said the plans are a response to a “Marxist takeover” of the country; likened the moment to 1776 and 1860, when the country was at war or on the brink of it; and said the timing of Trump’s candidacy was a “gift of God.”

Another priority, according to Vought, was to “defund” certain independent federal agencies and demonize career civil servants, which include scientists and subject matter experts. Project 2025’s plan to revive Schedule F, an attempt to make it easier to fire a large swath of government workers who currently have civil service protections, aligns with Vought’s vision.

“We want the bureaucrats to be traumatically affected,” he said. “When they wake up in the morning, we want them to not want to go to work because they are increasingly viewed as the villains. We want their funding to be shut down so that the EPA can’t do all of the rules against our energy industry because they have no bandwidth financially to do so.

“We want to put them in trauma.”

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-key-ally-russell-vought-agenda_n_671fed62e4b0a55cb4cdec09

"Once again, what Republicans are proposing is so odious that Democrats cannot be seen to have voted for it, lest their own voters turn on them."

"The president, he has asserted, has the power to cancel congressionally-approved spending by using a 'pocket rescission,' which would see the administration refusing to spend money on programs it doesn’t support.

Under those circumstances, why should Democrats sign on to a deal with the Republicans when Trump will simply refuse to honor it? Any compromise struck with the president is not worth the paper it’s printed on."

but I expect that they will do just that.