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underpants

(192,822 posts)
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 10:41 PM Sep 5

Eswatini- now they are shipping Kilmar Abrego Garcia to Eswatini

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eswatini


Trump administration tells Abrego Garcia he now faces deportation to African country of Eswatini

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kilmar-abrego-garcia-trump-eswatini-deportation/

Trump administration tells Abrego Garcia he now faces deportation to African country of Eswatini
The Trump administration told Kilmar Abrego Garcia on Friday it is now seeking to deport him to the tiny African kingdom of Eswatini, formerly known as Swaziland, according to an Immigration and Customs Enforcement email obtained by CBS News.

The email from a top ICE official noted that Abrego Garcia's attorneys have warned he fears being persecuted or tortured in Uganda, where federal authorities threatened to deport him last month after he was detained once again by immigration officials following his release from criminal custody.


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Eswatini- now they are shipping Kilmar Abrego Garcia to Eswatini (Original Post) underpants Sep 5 OP
its the human trafficking in reverse. follow the money nt msongs Sep 5 #1
As random of a choice that is, I get the feeling it was decided by throwing darts at a map. Lancero Sep 5 #2
There's something about all of this that stinks of slavery Hekate Sep 5 #3
the media keeps saying it is a "deportation" to send someone to a country they are not from Takket Sep 5 #4
The more you think about it, those random bussings a few years ago to marthas vineyard and other places... SSJVegeta Saturday #7
I honestly don't understand how shipping people to third party prisons is even legal Prairie Gates Sep 5 #5
It's not Diraven Sep 5 #6
It isn't legal. Deportation is a civil process. Kinda like, 'We have the right to refuse anyone". Or like eviction. LeftInTX Saturday #26
"... Garcia's attorneys have warned he fears being persecuted... " IcyPeas Saturday #8
Good article. underpants Saturday #10
How many of us had no idea... WestMichRad Saturday #9
I hadn't. underpants Saturday #11
Thanks for putting the Wikipedia link in the OP IcyPeas Saturday #12
27.1%. Yikes. Their prisons must be a nightmare underpants Saturday #15
Trump is a fucking sadist IcyPeas Saturday #16
I think it's the money underpants Saturday #20
I have never heard of it. LeftInTX Saturday #24
How much is DHS/Stephen Miller paying Eswatini (and other countries) allegorical oracle Saturday #13
Or were there tariffs involved. A little quid pro quo. IcyPeas Saturday #17
Trade with Eswatini underpants Saturday #22
When was his trial???? spanone Saturday #14
The whole point of this now is to avoid going to court underpants Saturday #21
Most corrupt administration ever. spanone Saturday #23
I think it's in January. Even if not guilty, he can still be deported, unless he is granted asylum. LeftInTX Saturday #27
Hate to say it, but if he ever gets free again, he needs to bluestarone Saturday #18
If there's ever a revolt on the White House IzzaNuDay Saturday #19
Donald Trump and Tom Homan are the ones who need to be shipped. Initech Saturday #25

Takket

(23,207 posts)
4. the media keeps saying it is a "deportation" to send someone to a country they are not from
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 11:12 PM
Sep 5

that's nonsense. it is human trafficing

SSJVegeta

(1,433 posts)
7. The more you think about it, those random bussings a few years ago to marthas vineyard and other places...
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 02:13 AM
Saturday

They were literally a test run for whatever the fuck this is

Prairie Gates

(6,208 posts)
5. I honestly don't understand how shipping people to third party prisons is even legal
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 11:18 PM
Sep 5

It seems manifestly immoral and unethical. It violates basic empathy (what would you do if a government shipped you to a country where you have no rights, no due process, no recourse, you don't speak the language, you have no connections?). How can any moral person accept this? And it's oddly supported most by people who have never left their state or even their county! The absence of basic human empathy is shocking beyond belief. Like, I seriously don't get it.

I guess Hannah Arendt was right: the first right you have to have is the right to have rights at all.

Diraven

(1,546 posts)
6. It's not
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 11:31 PM
Sep 5

But this administration has taken the position that undocumented immigrants have no rights whatsoever.

LeftInTX

(33,703 posts)
26. It isn't legal. Deportation is a civil process. Kinda like, 'We have the right to refuse anyone". Or like eviction.
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 01:01 PM
Saturday

It isn't the same as "We have the right to refuse anyone and then force you go to x,y,z bar".

Of course deportation is more complicated. However, it is civil process and in Abrego's case, it is illegal to send him to El Salvador. So they should find a similar country such as Costa Rico (which has agreed to accept him) or Mexico and send him on his way. Civil processes are just that and the parties come to consensus.

Unfortunately, if Abrego is found guilty, he can be deported to El Salvador, since the guilty verdict would erase the 2019 removal hold.

IcyPeas

(24,205 posts)
8. "... Garcia's attorneys have warned he fears being persecuted... "
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 03:00 AM
Saturday

He is already being persecuted by Donald trump.

Did trump offer the king of Eswatini some gold in exchange? No tariffs?

Eswatini: Outrage over arrival of foreign US deportees in tiny African nation | CNN


https://share.google/8GAWvxA0vMKG0XedU



underpants

(192,822 posts)
10. Good article.
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 07:06 AM
Saturday

Good article. I think Trump doesn’t see these people as humans (and/or you know- the cruelty) so he sends them to “shit hole countries”.

WestMichRad

(2,594 posts)
9. How many of us had no idea...
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 05:47 AM
Saturday

… where the f*k Eswatini even is?
(Raises hand)

That’s their point: ship him somewhere he’ll never be heard from again.

underpants

(192,822 posts)
11. I hadn't.
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 07:07 AM
Saturday

I didn't know about it. That's why I posted the Wikipedia link

I may have heard of Swaziland.

Good article. I think Trump doesn’t see these people as humans (and/or you know- the cruelty) so he sends them to “shit hole countries”.

IcyPeas

(24,205 posts)
12. Thanks for putting the Wikipedia link in the OP
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 08:02 AM
Saturday

Extremely high rates of HIV/AIDS.

As of 2019, Eswatini has the highest prevalence of HIV among people aged 15 to 49 in the world (27.1%).


The U.S. President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR) has identified priority and key populations as the most vulnerable to HIV infection, due to epidemiological, socioeconomic, and environmental and contextual factors.[5] In particular, PEPFAR identified three priority populations in Eswatini as the focus of HIV/AIDS prevention and treatment programs: adolescent girls and young women (aged nine to 29), men aged 15 to 39, and orphaned and vulnerable children (OVC). PEPFAR additionally identified three key populations: men who have sex with men (MSM), female sex workers (FSW), and transgender people. PEPFAR support was abruptly cut back in 2025, causing some people to go without HIV testing or treatment.[6]

In 2025, PEPFAR support was cut back as part of the second Trump Administration's dismantling of USAID.[6] Eswatini had targeted financial self-sufficiency of its HIV/AIDS response by 2030, but the abrupt cutoff resulted in staff firings and some people going without HIV testing or treatment.[6]


Fuckdonaldtrump he wants people to die.

IcyPeas

(24,205 posts)
16. Trump is a fucking sadist
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 10:21 AM
Saturday

He really is. Makes me wonder if the Epstein stuff has some real bad shit in there.... if there are pictures or videos....

Uuugggghhhhh

underpants

(192,822 posts)
20. I think it's the money
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 10:51 AM
Saturday

Epstein had lots of dealings with Russian interests. Some degree of laundering. I think it’s age to at that that’s been established.

It’s not that Trump has links to Russians, we know that - his own sons have said so, it could be that his whole success story is BS. We know all the failure stories. Is he just a propped up tool?

allegorical oracle

(5,686 posts)
13. How much is DHS/Stephen Miller paying Eswatini (and other countries)
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 08:04 AM
Saturday

per head to take our ICE-captured hostages?

underpants

(192,822 posts)
22. Trade with Eswatini
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 11:12 AM
Saturday

Trade
In June 2025, the top exports of United States to Eswatini were Valves ($181k), Unsaturated Acyclic Monocarboxylic Acids ($101k), and Other Processed Fruits and Nuts ($100k).

In June 2025, the main imports of United States from Eswatini were Machinery Having Individual Functions ($227k), Fruit Juice ($137k), and Knit T-shirts ($123k).

Growth
In June 2025, the year-on-year decline in United States's exports to Eswatini was driven mainly by exports of Cyclic Hydrocarbons ($-219k or -100%), Kraft Paper ($-446k or -100%), and Seats ($-481k or -100%). Meanwhile, in the same month, the drop in United States's imports from Eswatini was mainly attributed to imports of Bells and Other Metal Ornaments ($-69.9k or -100%), Knit T-shirts ($-166k or -57.5%), and Other Processed Fruits and Nuts ($-260k or -81%).

https://oec.world/en/profile/bilateral-country/usa/partner/swz

underpants

(192,822 posts)
21. The whole point of this now is to avoid going to court
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 11:07 AM
Saturday

The trafficking charge is made for social media cover BS.

LeftInTX

(33,703 posts)
27. I think it's in January. Even if not guilty, he can still be deported, unless he is granted asylum.
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 01:03 PM
Saturday

If found guilty he can also be deported to El Salvador because the guilty verdict will erase the "El Salvador hold".

He does have an active deportation order. He just can't be deported to El Salvador. However, he does have a trial coming up and in the US, you are expected to stick around and go to trial! The govt can drop the charges and deport him to a third country right now if they wanted. However, I think sending him to a hostile third country based on hearsay of MS13 is illegal. Right now, he could be deported to a country like Costa Rico. Mexico etc. but only if charges are dropped against him. Otherwise, he is required to stay here and go to trial.

bluestarone

(20,253 posts)
18. Hate to say it, but if he ever gets free again, he needs to
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 10:28 AM
Saturday

Head to Canada, or somewhere where this stinky fucker and his followers cannot touch him. Then return when TSF is finally in his coffin.

IzzaNuDay

(1,102 posts)
19. If there's ever a revolt on the White House
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 10:35 AM
Saturday

we now know where to send the orange menace and their minions!

Initech

(106,242 posts)
25. Donald Trump and Tom Homan are the ones who need to be shipped.
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 12:56 PM
Saturday

Fuck them both, no circle of hell is good enough for them.

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