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niyad

(127,357 posts)
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 10:11 AM Sep 9

Question: Why is the release of that revolting birthday card such a big,

surprising deal??? We saw it here on DU several months ago. Or is it just that it is in wider distribution?

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tinrobot

(11,778 posts)
2. We saw the text, not the drawing and not his signature.
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 10:23 AM
Sep 9

The drawing was reported to be of a "woman". The actual drawing seems to be younger than that.

Plus, the creep signed it.

newdeal2

(4,125 posts)
7. We did not. The image back then was fake
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 10:51 AM
Sep 9

WSJ only gave the text and described the drawing. Someone else made up the rest.

Now the real letter and drawing has been exposed thanks to the Dems.

malaise

(289,222 posts)
18. No we didn't - we saw a drawing of the drawing
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 09:08 PM
Sep 9

What we’re seeing now is the complete book

global1

(26,220 posts)
3. Back Then When We Saw It - Made Public By Murdoch - Tr**p Had The Ability To Deny It Was His Work......
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 10:31 AM
Sep 9

said it was a fake/hoax - and then went on to sue Murdoch.

Now the Epstein estate - released the actual book that Epstein was given. Tr**p's handiwork (drawing, signature) is now available right from the original book that Epstein was given for his birthday.

It is now right from the source and Tr**p can't continue to deny. I guess he could - but it's not as believable as before.

Tr**p will have a very difficult time to continue with his lawsuit against Murdoch now as well.

This coming right from the Epstein estate vindicates Murdoch and in my opinion negates Tr**p's argument that what Murdoch revealed back then was a (fake/hoax).

This is my understanding of the current situation.

We have to be ready for Tr**p to continue to deny that it is a reality now. We all know that he's not going to own up to making the drawing and sending this birthday message and that the signature is not his.

In a sense - Murdoch - grabbed Tr**p by the .............

BoRaGard

(7,586 posts)
4. Because all the G.O.P. lies about the letter
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 10:39 AM
Sep 9

are now undeniably lies lies lies

after awhile even stupid people get tired of being lied to

they say

SheltieLover

(73,739 posts)
6. I guess because it's a primary source. But who else contributed???
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 10:50 AM
Sep 9

Guessing much of the rethug half of congress & half a dozen rotten eggs on scrotus.

LetMyPeopleVote

(169,952 posts)
11. MaddowBlog-Why the White House's unpersuasive pitch on the 'birthday book' seems so familiar
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 01:50 PM
Sep 9

Republicans had to choose: acknowledge the letter as legitimate or insist that a Trump-signed document wasn’t actually a Trump-signed document.

There’s an approach to reality that says a Trump-signed document isn’t actually a Trump-signed document.

It’s the same approach that says job numbers are fake. And polls are fake. And election results are fake. And science is fake. And evidence of crimes is fake. www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddo...

Steve Benen (@stevebenen.com) 2025-09-09T13:13:45.110Z

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/white-house-jeffrey-epstein-birthday-book-donald-trump-rcna230024

Eight weeks later, the story took a rather dramatic turn. My MSNBC colleague Erum Salam reported on the new batch of material from the Epstein estate released by Democrats on the U.S. House Oversight Committee — including the contents of the so-called “birthday book.” From the report:

A copy of the book submitted to Congress (which was not reviewed by MSNBC) included a typed message, inside the outline of a woman’s torso, that read, in part, ‘A pal is a wonderful thing. Happy Birthday — and may every day be another wonderful secret.’ At the bottom of the message is a signature that appears to be Donald Trump’s.

The image looks like the one the Journal described in July.

BREAKING: House Oversight Committee Dems posted this photo of what appears to be Trump's birthday note to Epstein.

Trump previously denied the note and drawing's existence. MSNBC has not independently verified the drawing. The WH has denied the signature belongs to the president.

MSNBC (@msnbc.com) 2025-09-08T20:02:54.216Z


......White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt claimed that it’s “very clear” that Trump didn’t draw the figure or sign the letter. Other White House officials pushed the same line, and true to form, several congressional Republicans soon followed, echoing the new party line.

At face value, the pushback was — and is — difficult to take seriously. The signature on the letter resembles other documents from that era that Trump signed.

ThAt’a nOt TrUmP’s SiGnAtUrE www.wsj.com/us-news/law/...

Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 2025-09-08T21:38:29.142Z


For that matter, it’s difficult to imagine how the document in question could’ve been fabricated in the first place. As CNN’s Aaron Blake summarized, “The key fact here is that this comes from Epstein’s estate. In other words, for this letter to have been fake, someone would have had to plant it in Epstein’s possessions a long time ago, somehow.”.......

There’s a quote that’s often attributed to political theorist Hannah Arendt: “This constant lying is not aimed at making the people believe a lie, but at ensuring that no one believes anything anymore.” As it happens, Arendt didn’t actually say this (at least not exactly), but the quote resonates because of its salience:

Trump obviously tries to get people to believe lies all the time, but nearly as often, the president and his allies try to get people to give up on the idea that facts exist. With too many Americans, these tactics are effective, which helps explain why they’ve become so common.

RobinA

(10,420 posts)
12. My Question
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 02:09 PM
Sep 9

is, Why is this Epstein crap getting more traction than any of his other actions that are trying to wreck the country? Just for starters, 300,000 employees were fired in a couple months. People with lives who can no longer pay the bills. Due process is losing Supreme Court cases. Saying something Trump doesn't like gets you blackmailed or worse. And the big news lately keeps coming back to Epstein. Donald Trump scribbled a naked lady a bunch of years ago. With what's really going on NOW, THIS is the big problem??????

Initech

(106,351 posts)
20. Well, it's more evidence he's guilty.
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 09:16 PM
Sep 9

And also more evidence that the fuckheads are in denial that he's guilty. So...

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