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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsQuestion: Why is the release of that revolting birthday card such a big,
surprising deal??? We saw it here on DU several months ago. Or is it just that it is in wider distribution?

underpants
(193,085 posts)and its not just a story about it.
tinrobot
(11,778 posts)The drawing was reported to be of a "woman". The actual drawing seems to be younger than that.
Plus, the creep signed it.
niyad
(127,357 posts)newdeal2
(4,125 posts)WSJ only gave the text and described the drawing. Someone else made up the rest.
Now the real letter and drawing has been exposed thanks to the Dems.
niyad
(127,357 posts)newdeal2
(4,125 posts)This article explains it well: https://gizmodo.com/fake-trump-epstein-letters-spread-online-after-bombshell-report-2000631869
MerryBlooms
(12,004 posts)malaise
(289,222 posts)What were seeing now is the complete book
global1
(26,220 posts)said it was a fake/hoax - and then went on to sue Murdoch.
Now the Epstein estate - released the actual book that Epstein was given. Tr**p's handiwork (drawing, signature) is now available right from the original book that Epstein was given for his birthday.
It is now right from the source and Tr**p can't continue to deny. I guess he could - but it's not as believable as before.
Tr**p will have a very difficult time to continue with his lawsuit against Murdoch now as well.
This coming right from the Epstein estate vindicates Murdoch and in my opinion negates Tr**p's argument that what Murdoch revealed back then was a (fake/hoax).
This is my understanding of the current situation.
We have to be ready for Tr**p to continue to deny that it is a reality now. We all know that he's not going to own up to making the drawing and sending this birthday message and that the signature is not his.
In a sense - Murdoch - grabbed Tr**p by the .............
BoRaGard
(7,586 posts)are now undeniably lies lies lies
after awhile even stupid people get tired of being lied to
they say
SheltieLover
(73,739 posts)Guessing much of the rethug half of congress & half a dozen rotten eggs on scrotus.
WhiskeyGrinder
(25,709 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(169,952 posts)Republicans had to choose: acknowledge the letter as legitimate or insist that a Trump-signed document wasnt actually a Trump-signed document.
Thereâs an approach to reality that says a Trump-signed document isnât actually a Trump-signed document.
— Steve Benen (@stevebenen.com) 2025-09-09T13:13:45.110Z
Itâs the same approach that says job numbers are fake. And polls are fake. And election results are fake. And science is fake. And evidence of crimes is fake. www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddo...
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/white-house-jeffrey-epstein-birthday-book-donald-trump-rcna230024
A copy of the book submitted to Congress (which was not reviewed by MSNBC) included a typed message, inside the outline of a womans torso, that read, in part, A pal is a wonderful thing. Happy Birthday and may every day be another wonderful secret. At the bottom of the message is a signature that appears to be Donald Trumps.
The image looks like the one the Journal described in July.
BREAKING: House Oversight Committee Dems posted this photo of what appears to be Trump's birthday note to Epstein.
— MSNBC (@msnbc.com) 2025-09-08T20:02:54.216Z
Trump previously denied the note and drawing's existence. MSNBC has not independently verified the drawing. The WH has denied the signature belongs to the president.
......White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt claimed that its very clear that Trump didnt draw the figure or sign the letter. Other White House officials pushed the same line, and true to form, several congressional Republicans soon followed, echoing the new party line.
At face value, the pushback was and is difficult to take seriously. The signature on the letter resembles other documents from that era that Trump signed.
ThAtâa nOt TrUmPâs SiGnAtUrE www.wsj.com/us-news/law/...
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 2025-09-08T21:38:29.142Z
For that matter, its difficult to imagine how the document in question couldve been fabricated in the first place. As CNNs Aaron Blake summarized, The key fact here is that this comes from Epsteins estate. In other words, for this letter to have been fake, someone would have had to plant it in Epsteins possessions a long time ago, somehow........
Theres a quote thats often attributed to political theorist Hannah Arendt: This constant lying is not aimed at making the people believe a lie, but at ensuring that no one believes anything anymore. As it happens, Arendt didnt actually say this (at least not exactly), but the quote resonates because of its salience:
Trump obviously tries to get people to believe lies all the time, but nearly as often, the president and his allies try to get people to give up on the idea that facts exist. With too many Americans, these tactics are effective, which helps explain why theyve become so common.
RobinA
(10,420 posts)is, Why is this Epstein crap getting more traction than any of his other actions that are trying to wreck the country? Just for starters, 300,000 employees were fired in a couple months. People with lives who can no longer pay the bills. Due process is losing Supreme Court cases. Saying something Trump doesn't like gets you blackmailed or worse. And the big news lately keeps coming back to Epstein. Donald Trump scribbled a naked lady a bunch of years ago. With what's really going on NOW, THIS is the big problem??????
smoke and mirrors
malaise
(289,222 posts)That is all
Kath2
(3,174 posts)niyad
(127,357 posts)Initech
(106,351 posts)And also more evidence that the fuckheads are in denial that he's guilty. So...