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pat_k

(11,789 posts)
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 06:30 PM Sep 9

I fear the black-robed traitors on SCOTUS are posed to give 47 the taxation authority of a King.

They've already given him the immunity of a King, so I guess they figure, why not give him the taxation authority of a King?

As noted by three of the judges concurring in the Federal Circuit's en banc ruling, the 47 regime's “interpretation of IEEPA would be a functionally limitless delegation of Congressional taxation authority,”

I hope they keep their Dirty, Immoral, Un-American Christian-Nationalist hands off the decision, but I fear that in agreeing to review the case at all, they are effectively declaring their intent to pull something out of their asses and proclaim the blatantly unconstitutional tariffs AOK by them.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/divided-federal-circuit-gets-it-right-on-trumps-unlawful-tariffs/

....
The three judges of the CIT found unanimously, with good reason, that the worldwide and retaliatory tariffs “lack any identifiable limits” and are “unbounded . . . by any limitation in duration or scope” and thus did not fit IEEPA’s statutory definition of an emergency tariff.

Trump supporters have argued that Congress has delegated broad authorities to the president to set tariffs under a variety of statutes. But each such delegation has different conditions and limitations; what matters is that these tariffs have been justified and defended in court as national emergencies under IEEPA. The courts have been unpersuaded that we live in a state of permanent national emergency that is global in scope and decades-long in duration, requiring swift executive action on the theory that Congress could never assemble in time to address the issue.

As the court noted, it’s not even obvious that the statutory language (of IEEPA) delegates any tariff power at all. Consider what the statute empowers the president to do:

investigate, block during the pendency of an investigation, regulate, direct and compel, nullify, void, prevent or prohibit, any acquisition, holding, with-holding, use, transfer, withdrawal, transportation, importation or exportation of, or dealing in, or exercising any right, power, or privilege with respect to, or transactions involving, any property in which any foreign country or a national thereof has any interest by any person, or with respect to any property, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.


As the court observed:

Notably, when drafting IEEPA, Congress did not use the term “tariff” or any of its synonyms, like “duty” or “tax.” There are numerous statutes that do delegate to the President the power to impose tariffs; in each of these statutes that we have identified, Congress has used clear and precise terms to delegate tariff power, reciting the term “duties” or one of its synonyms. In contrast, none of these statutes uses the broad term “regulate” without also separately and explicitly granting the President the authority to impose tariffs. The absence of any such tariff language in IEEPA contrasts with statutes where Congress has affirmatively granted such power and included clear limits on that power.

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Three concurring judges, while joining the opinion, added their concern that Trump’s “interpretation of IEEPA would be a functionally limitless delegation of Congressional taxation authority,” which would present serious constitutional questions — a position for which they invoked the views of Justice Neil Gorsuch.


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I fear the black-robed traitors on SCOTUS are posed to give 47 the taxation authority of a King. (Original Post) pat_k Sep 9 OP
Like I said they're going to take everything and I mean absolutely everything that you have Eliot Rosewater Sep 9 #1
The confiscatory power of government is limitless. bucolic_frolic Sep 9 #5
The horse already got out of the barn, too late to doc03 Sep 9 #2
In Absolutely every case including our physical lives and freedom Eliot Rosewater Sep 9 #8
They are already chipping away at the 2nd doc03 Sep 10 #11
If I had a hammer struggle4progress Sep 9 #3
Speaking of the bell of freedom... pat_k Sep 9 #6
Thanks! struggle4progress Sep 9 #7
Not a king, a dictator. Crunchy Frog Sep 9 #4
True. Although for me, "King" evokes our revolution. pat_k Sep 9 #9
True, but when George III went nuts, Crunchy Frog Sep 9 #10

Eliot Rosewater

(34,116 posts)
1. Like I said they're going to take everything and I mean absolutely everything that you have
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 06:31 PM
Sep 9

That I have that everybody has.

Traditional methods cannot stop this.

bucolic_frolic

(52,412 posts)
5. The confiscatory power of government is limitless.
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 06:50 PM
Sep 9

During Great Recession lead-up and melt down, pundits, some using aliases to disguise themselves from their Money Center Bank jobs, ruminated on the distortion effects of Quantitative Easing, but never said what they might be. Many posts cited Federal regulations about banks, customer accounts, deposit box laws, and how they Feds could plunder them as well. Now most of the discussion was in the form of charging customers fees for holding money - negative interest rates like they had in parts of Europe, but the broader rules did not go unnoticed. Asset seizure, physical, digital, deposit could be on the table at any tiime if the right despot appears.

doc03

(38,404 posts)
2. The horse already got out of the barn, too late to
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 06:35 PM
Sep 9

reverse it now. That's my guess. He does whatever he wants and the SROTUS drags their feet until the damage has already been
done.

Eliot Rosewater

(34,116 posts)
8. In Absolutely every case including our physical lives and freedom
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 07:16 PM
Sep 9

trying to warn people for months now that second amendment right has to be exercised

doc03

(38,404 posts)
11. They are already chipping away at the 2nd
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 01:29 PM
Sep 10

Amendment. Who will be next group to be banned. Gays, Latinos, certain religions ect.

pat_k

(11,789 posts)
6. Speaking of the bell of freedom...
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 06:54 PM
Sep 9

At the free DC march, when the protesters were passing a church, the church started ring the bell in solidarity. Much cheering.

To watch, go to 18:40:

Crunchy Frog

(28,046 posts)
4. Not a king, a dictator.
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 06:48 PM
Sep 9

Last edited Tue Sep 9, 2025, 07:33 PM - Edit history (1)

Most kings these days are constitutional monarchs with symbolic, not real, power.

Trump is aiming for, and being enabled to get, power with no constraints.

pat_k

(11,789 posts)
9. True. Although for me, "King" evokes our revolution.
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 07:24 PM
Sep 9

It is long past time for opponents of the 47 regime in the U.S. House and U.S. Senate to issue a new, joint declaration of injuries and usurpations our current "mad King" is committing against us. And that list would include a few injuries and usurpations that look an awful lot like those our Congress "submitted to a candid world" on July 4, 1776.

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The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
...
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
...
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
...
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
...
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, ..
.

Crunchy Frog

(28,046 posts)
10. True, but when George III went nuts,
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 07:31 PM
Sep 9

he was replaced by a regent until he was recovered. There's nothing like that in place with Trump.

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